AUS - Khandalyce Kiara Pearce (Wynarka) and mum Karlie Pearce-Stevenson (Belanglo) #9

[JaneSA]

kent town/norwood are expensive suburbs in Adelaide..........may pass through on way up to freeway to head out of adelaide

True. Certainly not somewhere to find cheap accommodation.

 

[JaneSA]

Interesting points and all very possible.

Karlie's absence of priors makes this a bit wobbly though to my mind. However as you say, her naivety could easily led to getting in over her head over time if there was some criminal scenario happening.

Continuing your line of feminist thinking though Hazel could have absolutely been calling the shots from her sick bed.

I had always removed Hazel from the window of K&Ks disappearance due to the accident but you've given me cause to rule her back in. Would fit the DJH ex-friend story the he was easily led.

And then of course us the mystery 2nd woman in the frauds (who I am convinced is the Holden Hill connection) She could be the other alpha.


IMO

Yes, that's a idea I was considering.
All girls together

It would be extraordinary to be focussing on keeping the business operating at such a time, but perhaps that's it.

 

[JaneSA]

especially given the MSM sources opining that DJH was looking for a dominant partner...though have never been able to reconcile that myself...

I know what you mean, but that's possibly because we are viewing him as the mastermind of something, so when that story about being a follower and looking for a dominant partner emerged it seemed not to fit.
But perhaps it describes him perfectly.

 

[Deleted member 102539]

I find the existence of the Marion photos intriguing and always have.
Neither is flattering and I really wonder why they were taken, why someone kept them for so long, and why they emerged so quickly after the ID.
My personal feeling when I look at them is that they are taken and kept purely for identity and evidence... but what of I have no idea.

Perhaps the photographer did know Karlie's family and Colleen, who was concerned about the whereabouts of her daughter and the little granddaughter after leaving Alice. The person took a pic with the agreement of Karlie (Karlie lets hang herself, she doesn't care, pic only for her estranged mum) and Khandalyce and sent the pics to Colleen (as a proof for having met the both K+K).
If grandma Conny and mum Colleen hadn't died in 2011/2012, they certainly had known a little more to help solve the murders.

Pretty easy for the killer/s to cover up until 2015. Conny and Colleen didn't mean whatever danger to the perp/s since 2012.

 

[JaneSA]

Perhaps the photographer did know Karlie's family and Colleen, who was concerned about the whereabouts of her daughter and the little granddaughter after leaving Alice. The person took a pic with the agreement of Karlie (Karlie lets hang herself, she doesn't care, pic only for her estranged mum) and Khandalyce and sent the pics to Colleen (as a proof for having met the both K+K).
If grandma Conny and mum Colleen hadn't died in 2011/2012, they certainly had known a little more to help solve the murders.

Pretty easy for the killer/s to cover up until 2015. Conny and Colleen didn't mean whatever danger to the perp/s since 2012.

I agree she doesn't look like she cares about the pic being taken.

I am wondering, was she estranged from her mum at that time? Or indeed, ever?
Tragically, the family assumed that, because they didn't know she was dead.
They assumed she did not want contact.
Yet the 2008 Marion photo was only days after Karlie left Alice, and we don't know how here relationship with her family was.

 

[Trooper]

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/new...journey-to-abyss/story-e6frg6nf-1227580625047

<modsnip>

 

[KG1]

Yes and yet the police seem very firm on that 14 - 15/12/2008 date largely it seems because of the mobile phone evidence they have (whether pinged, triangulated or "dumped" makes no difference IMO) I've always thought that if I were in DJH's position (heaven forbid) I wouldn't want my phone associated within coo-ee of Belanglo State Forest a week or a century either side of those dates

It may not just be phone triangulation they have. It could be a situation that DH and Karlie were seen together on 14/12/2008 and then DH returned to whereever he was staying, (possibly sister's or a caravan park) on 15/12/2008 without Karlie. And Karlie was never, ever, ever seen again. Ever again by anybody. So that would place him as the last person to see or be with her on 14/12/2008. I think witnesses will be crucial in this case.

 

[KG1]

Just a question from a feminist perspective, if I may?
Why are people generally thinking DJH is it control of whatever was going on?
Not you in particular, Wolfie, but just referring to the posts in general.
Maybe the "keeping the show on the road" was Karlie getting in deeper with whoever both she and other people worked for.
They could be more sort of work colleagues with the same boss, rather than people who worked together.
<modsnip>

What you say JaneSA is possible. However DJH was a man approximately 14 years older than the 20 year old Karlie. He no doubt was experienced in the ways of the world <modsnip> I find it hard to see Karlie driving the action. She was useful as she had a working motor vehicle and the show that DJH was part of had to keep going. They both could have been in a joint enterprise directed by another. However, the one charged with Karlie's murder is not another, but the one and only Daniel James Holdom. BBM

 

[Deleted member 102539]

I agree she doesn't look like she cares about the pic being taken.

I am wondering, was she estranged from her mum at that time? Or indeed, ever?
Tragically, the family assumed that, because they didn't know she was dead.
They assumed she did not want contact.
Yet the 2008 Marion photo was only days after Karlie left Alice, and we don't know how here relationship with her family was.

"Estranged" should mean: they had a dispute over everyday stuff (ie get home late etc, see MSM). The wants-no-contact thing certainly was an idea of the fraudsters. But before perhaps Karlie indeed wanted little contact, only for the reason to avoid hearing her mother's warnings. If Colleen or grandma did know DJH/M/B or/and HP, maybe there were great concerns re Karlie's friendship to these people. In any case mum Colleen certainly had concerns re little 2yo Khandalyce roaming around with her 20yo mother.

Maybe Colleen had threatened her daughter (quite rightly, IMO) to call Child Care? If the stepfather doesn't know more to this, we will never learn.

 

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[Trooper]

Des Bray was clear about the separation between Karlie and her mother beginning in 2006 after Khandalyce's birth.. ... it wasn't a new thing by the time she left Alice Springs.. .

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/australia-...oman-whose-body-was-found-5-years-ago-1525103

 

[possumheart]

Des Bray was clear about the separation between Karlie and her mother beginning in 2006 after Khandalyce's birth.. ... it wasn't a new thing by the time she left Alice Springs.. .

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/australia-...oman-whose-body-was-found-5-years-ago-1525103

There was some very emotive language in that article.

 

[Deleted member 102539]

I know what you mean, but that's possibly because we are viewing him as the mastermind of something, so when that story about being a follower and looking for a dominant partner emerged it seemed not to fit.
But perhaps it describes him perfectly.

The doers often love to be dominated at home and within their partnership. Always heard of tough successful managers needing dominance.

 

[Trooper]

There was some very emotive language in that article.

"This is one of the most shocking crimes, shocking and unimaginable, and another family has been torn apart and devastated," said Detective Superintendent Des Bray. "Those people that are responsible for this crime are truly evil and must be quickly caught and held to account for what they've done."

this bit, Possum?? well.. I agree. Des Bray doesn't hold back.... He has been rather circumspect since that first breakdown though, don't you think??

 

[Makara]

SHE was known as a “pocket rocket” with a beautiful, headstrong personality. Her demeanour meant sometimes she’d clash with her family and the people who knew her.

But when Karlie Pearce-Stevenson left behind her family for a better life and some adventure, no-one could have predicted the grim fate that would befall her.

Karlie’s fight with her mother Colleen Povey the day she left town wasn’t the first time the duo had clashed. She had spent time away from the family home previously, after arguing over “silly stuff” like coming home late.

Except Karlie was more headstrong than most. Her friend Jennifer Adams said while Karlie had a “beautiful personality”, she could transform into a “pocket rocket” when she became upset.

BBM.

OCTOBER 31, 2015 12:17PM
http://www.news.com.au/national/cri...e/news-story/b7161105e0f5fb2810716cc9ab19677d

 

[Oona]

Des Bray was clear about the separation between Karlie and her mother beginning in 2006 after Khandalyce's birth.. ... it wasn't a new thing by the time she left Alice Springs.. .

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/australia-...oman-whose-body-was-found-5-years-ago-1525103

Something I noticed, in that article you posted a link to Trooper, was the mention of Darwin. To my knowledge Darwin was not mentioned in any of the transactions and may not have any relevance to the murders and fraud but it certainly reinforces that Karlie and Khandalyce travelled vast distances. Alice springs to Darwin is about 17 hours of driving.

"We know that at different times they have been in Darwin, Alice Springs, Adelaide and Canberra," said DS Bray.

 

[Trooper]

Something I noticed, in that article you posted a link to Trooper, was the mention of Darwin. To my knowledge Darwin was not mentioned in any of the transactions and may not have any relevance to the murders and fraud but it certainly reinforces that Karlie and Khandalyce travelled vast distances. Alice springs to Darwin is about 17 hours of driving.

"We know that at different times they have been in Darwin, Alice Springs, Adelaide and Canberra," said DS Bray.

oooh that mention of Darwin made my eyes water, Oona.. Once I read that, I wanted to know when>>?? DES!! WHEN? .. before or after her death?. was it Karlie who did that massive drive or was it just her card. It makes the lack of NSW entries on her card pale into insignificance for me, I just want to know. . .

And her car was 10 years old in 2005.. that makes it around 13 / 14 years when all this hard , hard driving is being done, and in the hottest months, too. Tyres, transmission oil, motor oil , windscreens, wipers, it isn't just fuel,.. gears and engine must have been worn down to the nubs.

 

[Maggie_May]

Interestingly, one of the MSM references to the much-debated $25k that Karlie had allegedly skipped town with was for drugs which were to be delivered from Adelaide to Darwin which really raised my eyebrows. Yes, no transactions listed tends to suggest that particular leg of the delivery route was never undertaken... IMO...however...

http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/...vestigators-told/story-fni6uo1m-1227599497241

The CS informant also told The Adelaide Advertiser "exclusively" that Karlie had been doing drug runs between those two cities before her murder.

oooh that mention of Darwin made my eyes water, Oona.. Once I read that, I wanted to know when>>?? DES!! WHEN? .. before or after her death?. was it Karlie who did that massive drive or was it just her card. It makes the lack of NSW entries on her card pale into insignificance for me, I just want to know. . .

And her car was 10 years old in 2005.. that makes it around 13 / 14 years when all this hard , hard driving is being done, and in the hottest months, too. Tyres, transmission oil, motor oil , windscreens, wipers, it isn't just fuel,.. gears and engine must have been worn down to the nubs.

 

[Trooper]

Interestingly, one of the MSM references to the much-debated $25k that Karlie had allegedly skipped town with was for drugs which were to be delivered from Adelaide to Darwin which really raised my eyebrows. Yes, no transactions listed tends to suggest that particular leg of the delivery route was never undertaken... IMO...however...

http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/...vestigators-told/story-fni6uo1m-1227599497241

The CS informant also told The Adelaide Advertiser "exclusively" that Karlie had been doing drug runs between those two cities before her murder.

the only mention MSN has made, and you can check em all , is this. The Police Confirm That Someone Rang Crimestoppers With This Story... That is all. Nothing more than that. MSN has gone no further with it, and there are good reasons for that

 

[Maggie_May]

IMO it's not a matter of checking them all, it is simply that we don't know if he was exaggerating or not. In a scenario where there is so much we don't know, I'm trying to keep an open mind. In a way, the entire "drugs being delivered" operation theory owes as much to this disclosure as it does to anything else IMO.

the only mention MSN has made, and you can check em all , is this. The Police Confirm That Someone Rang Crimestoppers With This Story... That is all. Nothing more than that. MSN has gone no further with it, and there are good reasons for that