Australia - 3 dead after eating wild mushrooms, Leongatha, Victoria, Aug 2023 #14 *Arrest*

Erin Patterson says she didn’t use her phone to look up death cap mushrooms on iNaturalist​


Prosecutor Nanette Rogers SC shows the court a photo of Patterson in hospital on 31 July 2023. The image shows a phone in a pink case on top of a black pack.

Patterson agrees this is the phone she used as her primary device from February 2023 until August 2023.

Rogers says this is the phone, dubbed Phone A in the trial, she used to research death cap mushrooms. Patterson disagrees.

Rogers says it is the phone to look up the citizen science website iNaturalist. Patterson rejects this.

Rogers suggests she saw the posts on iNaturalist about sightings of death cap mushrooms posted by mycologist Dr Thomas May and retired pharmacist Christine McKenzie in the months before the lunch on this phone. Patterson rejects this.

Patterson says: “I didn’t see that post.”

Rogers says the police never located Phone A.

Patterson agrees.
 
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Erin again denies drinking coffee the morning after deadly lunch​

By Joseph Dunstan​

Dr Rogers then asks Ms Patterson about the morning after the lunch, when her son told police he had seen her drinking a coffee from a mug.

Ms Patterson has previously told the court that was wrong and her son was mistaken, and that she was drinking something like a ginger and lemon tea instead.

"I believe he's made an assumption, because on 99 per cent of the days of his life he's probably got up and seen me drinking a coffee," Ms Patterson says now when asked about it.

Dr Rogers suggests she wouldn't be drinking coffee if she was unwell with diarrhoea.

"I would agree with that," Ms Patterson says.

The prosecutor suggests that her assertion she was drinking herbal tea is a lie. Ms Patterson disagrees.
She is so utterly disagreeable.
 

Erin Patterson says she didn’t use her phone to look up death cap mushrooms on iNaturalist​


Prosecutor Nanette Rogers SC shows the court a photo of Patterson in hospital on 31 July 2023. The image shows a phone in a pink case on top of a black pack.

Patterson agrees this is the phone she used as her primary device from February 2023 until August 2023.

Rogers says this is the phone, dubbed Phone A in the trial, she used to research death cap mushrooms. Patterson disagrees.

Rogers says it is the phone to look up the citizen science website iNaturalist. Patterson rejects this.

Rogers suggests she saw the posts on iNaturalist about sightings of death cap mushrooms posted by mycologist Dr Thomas May and retired pharmacist Christine McKenzie in the months before the lunch on this phone. Patterson rejects this.

Patterson says: “I didn’t see that post.”

Rogers says the police never located Phone A.

Patterson agrees.
Its a miracle! She agreed! Of course it's because she got away with hiding the phone...
 

Prosecution suggests Erin lied about conversation with estranged husband​

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By Joseph Dunstan​


The prosecutor then moves to an alleged conversation between Simon and Erin Patterson at hospital in the days after the lunch.

Ms Patterson has previously told the court that her estranged husband asked her if she'd used the dehydrator to poison his parents.

She has told the court that this triggered anxiety which led her to throw out the dehydrator and run a factory reset on her phone. In his evidence to the trial, Simon Patterson denied this conversation ever took place.

"I suggest that this is another lie told by you to try and explain why, just the very next day, you went out ... to dispose of the dehydrator," Dr Rogers says.

Ms Patterson disagrees."


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Erin rejects claims she removed a SIM card during a police search​


By Joseph Dunstan and Mikaela Ortolan​


Questioning then turns to what's been dubbed "Phone A", which was not found by police during a search of Ms Patterson's home.

Ms Patterson rejects the suggestion that she hid it from police and that's why it was never discovered.

Dr Rogers takes Ms Patterson through extensive phone records from a SIM card that was in Phone A up until August 5, 2023, a week after the lunch.

It shows that the phone was in regular use up until sometime between 12:01pm and 1:45pm, when the SIM card in Phone A lost connection with the network.

At that time, police were conducting a search of Ms Patterson's Leongatha home.

Dr Rogers details a few things that could explain this loss of connection that are agreed facts in this case.

They are:

The SIM card being removed from the handset
The battery being removed without turning off the handset
Or, the handset being damaged in such a way that would disrupt power to the handset or its connection to the network.
She then puts to Ms Patterson that she removed the SIM card from Phone A when she was "afforded privacy to speak with a lawyer while police were at your home".

Ms Patterson disagrees and says that happened at 2pm."
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Dog poo bag of used toilet paper placed inside her handbag suggests her standards of hygiene are questionable!
I’m not sure that bag contained what she’s claimed ( he son said they did not stop, other than for the dim sims etc, when she waited in the car & kids got her a coffee)

IMO this was the toxic meat out of the leftovers in the bin - and what she put in the servo toilet in that 9 second visit.
( agree some meet was found in the forensic testing of those leftovers, and since it’s been said the Whole BS had been cut in 1/2, I think it quite feasible that some meat may have still been present)

JMO
 

Erin Patterson quizzed on several factory resets on her phone in days after lunch​


Prosecutor Nanette Rogers SC turns to evidence about factory resets performed on the mobile referred to as phone B.

The court previously heard four resets - one in February 2023 and three in August 2023 - were performed on the phone that Erin Patterson provided to police during the search on 5 August 2023.

Rogers says one of these resets were done when she was left alone to call a lawyer while police searched Patterson’s Leongatha home.

Patterson rejects this and says she phoned a lawyer at 2pm.

Rogers says Patterson performed the three factory resets after the lunch to “conceal” the contents on Phone B.

Patterson rejects this.

Rogers then turns to her final points in the cross-examination.

She suggests Patterson deliberately sourced death cap mushrooms in 2023. Patterson rejects this.

Rogers says Patterson deliberately included death cap mushrooms in the beef wellingtons she served her lunch guests. Patterson disagrees.

Rogers puts to Patterson: “You did so intending to kill them. Agree or disagree.”

“Disagree,” Patterson replies.

 

Ms Patterson rejects claim factory resets were done to hide incriminating evidence​


By Joseph Dunstan​

The questioning then turns to Phone B, the phone which Ms Patterson handed over to police during the August 5 search, a week after the lunch.

"I suggest you did that because you knew there was no data on this phone," Dr Rogers says.

"No, I did it because they asked for my phone and I gave it to them," Ms Patterson says.

Dr Rogers takes Ms Patterson to records of three factory resets made on Phone B.

Ms Patterson has previously given the following reasons to the court for the three factory resets she is being asked about:

August 2, 2023: "To get [my son's] information off it, so I could set it up for me … he'd used it up until early May, when he'd taken it on school camp … he slipped and fell in some mud while they were bushwalking and the phone had got pretty coated in mud and, you know, the charging port and what-not were a bit muddy." Erin says she'd tried a few methods to clean it over time, but it stayed there drying out during that time. She says she figured out it was capable of being used on August 2. "So I put it on charge and at some point factory reset it."

August 5, 2023: Erin says this factory reset occurred because "I had put all my apps on it, including my Google account, which included my Google photos, and I knew that there were photos in there of mushrooms and the dehydrator and I just panicked and didn't want them [the detectives searching the house] to see them."

August 6, 2023: Erin says she carried out this factory reset because "at some point, after the search of my house and the interview and the detectives had brought me home, I remember thinking 'I wonder if I can log into my Google account and see where all my devices are. So I did that, and I could see my phone, and [my children's devices], and it was really stupid, but I thought, 'I wonder if they've been silly enough to leave it connected to the internet', so I hit factory reset to see what happened and it did."

But Dr Rogers suggests to Ms Patterson she carried out those resets for another reason.

"I suggest that you did three factory resets of this phone, Phone B ... to conceal the true contents of Phone B ... so you could then pass off Phone B as your usual mobile phone, without police realising," Dr Rogers says.

Ms Patterson agrees she carried out the three resets, but disagrees that she did for the reasons Dr Rogers asserts.

Dr Rogers goes on to assert that it was "all about hiding the contents of your usual mobile phone, Phone A", which she asserts Ms Patterson had "deliberately concealed" because she knew the data on that device would "incriminate" her.

Ms Patterson rejects the assertion.


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The prosecutor then turns to evidence Ms Patterson has given about taking imodium to treat diarrhoea in the 48 hours after the lunch and suggests this was "another lie", noting she did not tell health staff at Leongatha Hospital about it.

IMO standard triage process would always have the patient asked what if any drugs or medicine they have taken recently.
 
I’m not sure that bag contained what she’s claimed ( he son said they did not stop, other than for the dim sims etc, when she waited in the car & kids got her a coffee)

IMO this was the toxic meat out of the leftovers in the bin - and what she put in the servo toilet in that 9 second visit.
( agree some meet was found in the forensic testing of those leftovers, and since it’s been said the Whole BS had been cut in 1/2, I think it quite feasible that some meat may have still been present)

JMO
10 pieces of steak purchased. 6 BW created. 4 fully eaten. 1/2 not eaten. 1 not touched (extra).

10 - 6 = 4 pieces of steak not used for BW.

Kids fed leftovers from lunch, with mushrooms scraped off... Pastry and mushrooms found in bin, with some remaining meat.

Where are the 4 remaining pieces of steak?

Oh, wait...
 
Dr Rogers indicates she has just three remaining questions for the accused.

In rapid fire, she puts to Ms Patterson the crux of the prosecutor's charges: that she "deliberately sourced death cap mushrooms" and put them in the dish she served to her lunch guests "intending to kill them".

"Agree or disagree?" Dr Rogers asks.

"Disagree," Ms Patterson responds.
 

Defence prepares to ask more questions of Ms Patterson​

Next, it'll be defence barrister Colin Mandy SC's turn to re-examine his client.

Essentially, it's a chance for him to ask questions about matters arising out of the evidence Ms Patterson has given during cross-examination by the prosecution.

He indicates to the court it'll take him roughly 30 minutes to get through his questions.

But first, the court adjourns for a morning break.
 

Ms Patterson rejects central claim she was 'intending to kill' her lunch guests​

By Joseph Dunstan​


Dr Rogers indicates she has just three remaining questions for the accused.

In rapid fire, she puts to Ms Patterson the crux of the prosecutor's charges: that she "deliberately sourced death cap mushrooms" and put them in the dish she served to her lunch guests "intending to kill them".

"Agree or disagree?" Dr Rogers asks.

"Disagree," Ms Patterson responds.


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Live: Prosecutors focus on factory resets of Erin Patterson's phone
 
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Erin rejects claims she removed a SIM card during a police search​

By Joseph Dunstan and Mikaela Ortolan​


Questioning then turns to what's been dubbed "Phone A", which was not found by police during a search of Ms Patterson's home.

Ms Patterson rejects the suggestion that she hid it from police and that's why it was never discovered.

Dr Rogers takes Ms Patterson through extensive phone records from a SIM card that was in Phone A up until August 5, 2023, a week after the lunch.

It shows that the phone was in regular use up until sometime between 12:01pm and 1:45pm, when the SIM card in Phone A lost connection with the network.

At that time, police were conducting a search of Ms Patterson's Leongatha home.

Dr Rogers details a few things that could explain this loss of connection that are agreed facts in this case.

They are:

The SIM card being removed from the handset
The battery being removed without turning off the handset
Or, the handset being damaged in such a way that would disrupt power to the handset or its connection to the network.
She then puts to Ms Patterson that she removed the SIM card from Phone A when she was "afforded privacy to speak with a lawyer while police were at your home".

Ms Patterson disagrees and says that happened at 2pm."
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Surely the questioning is then 'where is the phone'? 'What's happened to it?' Am i missing something?
 
I wondered about this too.

The person I knew would not have. They really could not admit to blame even to themselves.
I think in the same situation they would have absolutely refused to go along with a suggestion of remorse or compassion.
To do so, at some level they would have had to internally accept a degree of fault, and it was as though they could NOT bring themselves to.
Maybe someone else can explain this better, dont feel I've done a very good job.
Empathy allows us to feel bad for another person even if we didn't cause the harm.

We all feel bad for the loss of life here. For the treasures forever lost. Grandparents and mentors...

EP doesn't apparently have that.

JMO
 

Defence prepares to ask more questions of Ms Patterson​


By Joseph Dunstan​


Next, it'll be defence barrister Colin Mandy SC's turn to re-examine his client.

Essentially, it's a chance for him to ask questions about matters arising out of the evidence Ms Patterson has given during cross-examination by the prosecution.

He indicates to the court it'll take him roughly 30 minutes to get through his questions.

But first, the court adjourns for a morning break."


Live: Prosecutors focus on factory resets of Erin Patterson's phone
 

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