Australia - 3 dead after eating wild mushrooms, Leongatha, Victoria, Aug 2023 #15 *Arrest*

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I've listed a few things that we've only heard from EP and have not been confirmed by anyone but her (and/or have been denied/contradicted by others or her own actions). Please feel free to add anything else or correct anything I've gotten wrong!

Eating the cake
Vomiting up the cake
Bush poo
No full set of white dessert plates
Scraping off the duxelles
Having a lie-down between hospital visits
Oh man, I'm sure between a the lot of us we can assemble a great list.
I'll start with just the health related things that (IMO) Erin falsely claimed:
  • the biopsy of the elbow,
  • the ovarian cancer (also of the elbow),
  • the diarrhoea,
  • the fentanyl-out-of-ten (pain score) headache,
  • the bulimia,
  • the gastric band surgery,
  • the liposuction.

Who wants to add to this list?
We can call it The Long List of Lies


Add to Long List of Lies:

---Her allegation that, at the hospital, Simon accused her of poisoning his relatives with her dehydrator, making her panic.

---Her having explosive poohs every 10 minutes.

---Her claim that 'she did ask the doctor how her in-laws were doing', but he never replied, maybe did not hear her.
 
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As I read the above I wondered who first told the media (way back) that Erin was an experienced forager, that she foraged with her family.

Also, who told the media (way back) that Simon asked Erin if she used the dehydrator to poison everyone.

Both of these things seem to have been disputed during the trial.

imo
"A family friend" apparently
 
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Erin Patterson trial: Judge begins charge to mushroom murder jury​

Jurors in the triple-murder trial of alleged death cap poisoner Erin Patterson have been given a hint as to the hearing’s progress.


A large crowd gathered outside court on Tuesday to attend the case. Picture: NewsWire / Nadir Kinani

A large crowd gathered outside court on Tuesday to attend the case. Picture: NewsWire / Nadir Kinani
Justice Beale began his closing remarks on Tuesday, setting out that he would direct the jury on the principles of law and summarise the evidence and arguments on the issues they would need to judge.

Jurors were each handed a white binder containing an 86-page index of the chronology of the trial.

I hope it will be of assistance to you in managing the great amount of information you’ve received over the last eight weeks,” the judge said.

Turning to the issues that sit at the heart of the trial, Justice Beale told the 14-person panel they would need to set aside sympathy and focus on whether the prosecution had proved beyond reasonable doubt Ms Patterson was criminally responsible for the deaths.

He said the case had attracted “unprecedented media attention and excited much public comment” but urged jurors to be careful not to let it influence them.

“Any decent person would feel great sympathy for the Wilkinson and Patterson families, but you must guard scrupulously against prejudice,” he said.

Erin Patterson’s defence team includes Colin Mandy SC (left), Bill Doogue (centre) and Sophie Stafford (right). Picture: NewsWire / Nadir Kinani

Erin Patterson’s defence team includes Colin Mandy SC (left), Bill Doogue (centre) and Sophie Stafford (right). Picture: NewsWire / Nadir Kinani
‘Inconsistencies’ raises in witness statements

The Supreme Court judge has moved on to inconsistent statements, highlighting examples where the prosecution and defence claim witnesses had given various accounts previously that differed to their evidence.

Justice Beale said the defence had asked him to draw attention to five witnesses while the prosecution asked him to address Ms Patterson’s evidence.

He begun with the evidence of Simon Patterson, pointing the jury to a series of questions and answers around two topics — whether he agreed his friendship with Ms Patterson was “strong” up until December 2022 and around his used of the words “serious” and “important” when giving evidence the accused woman allegedly invited him to the lunch.

Justice Beale moved on to evidence from Ian Wilkinson, Dr Chris Webster, Tanya Patterson and Sally Ann Atkinson.

For Ms Patterson, the judge raised eight topics he said the prosecution wanted to highlight.

These were;

1) Whether she had a tendency to pick and eat wild mushrooms;

2) Whether her children were “invited to or free to attend the lunch”;

3) The source of mushrooms that went into the beef wellingtons;

4) How much the accused woman ate of her beef wellington;

5) How much Gail Patterson ate of her beef wellington;

6) When Ms Patterson claimed she started to experience diarrhoea after the lunch;

7) Whether Ms Patterson knew or begun to suspect the lunch was the cause of Don and Gail’s illnesses on the evening of July 30;

8) Whether she knew Don and Gail were in comas by August 1, 2023.

Justice Beale said it was a matter for the jury to determine if a witness had made prior inconsistent statements, but if they did they could use it to assess credibility.

He said inconsistent statements do not necessarily lead to the conclusion a witness was lying and they would have to determine which, if any, statement to believe.

“It’s for you to determine whether or not to draw this conclusion from any inconsistencies you find,” he said.

The Crown’s case has been led by prosecutor Nanette Rogers SC. Picture: NewsWire / Nadir Kinani

The Crown’s case has been led by prosecutor Nanette Rogers SC. Picture: NewsWire / Nadir Kinani
Judge addresses hearsay evidence

Justice Beale turned to the topic of hearsay evidence, which he warns jurors must approach with caution.

The judge warned that errors could occur when the statements are said, heard or repeated in court and defence were not given the opportunity to cross examine the maker.

Justice Beale pointed to examples of hearsay evidence, including Simon Patterson’s evidence Heather Wilkinson had remarked to him that Ms Patterson had served herself on a differently-coloured plate to the guests.

The judge also pointed to Ian Wilkinson’s evidence his wife Heather remarked that Ms Patterson had a different coloured plate.

Another example raised was Simon’s evidence his father, Don, said Ms Patterson told the lunch guests she had cancer.

Justice Beale said it was up to the jury to determine if Heather said those things to Simon and Ian and if Don said this to Simon.

“Even if you accept it as truthful, it might not be an accurate reflection of what was heard or said,” he said.

Lunch survivor Ian Wilkinson attended the hearing. Picture: NewsWire / Nadir Kinani

Lunch survivor Ian Wilkinson attended the hearing. Picture: NewsWire / Nadir Kinani
Mushroom jury laughs after mistake

Taking the jury through the evidence in relation to Ms Patterson’s claimed tendency to forage for wild edible mushrooms, Justice Beale erred when discussing what one witness, Laura Muldoon, said the accused woman had told her.

“Dr Muldoon gave evidence she asked Ms Patterson whether she used wild mushrooms in the beef wellington,” the judge said.

“Ms Patterson said she thinks she told Dr Mushroom, ah Muldoon, she had not used wild mushrooms.”

The mistake prompted a hearty laugh in the courtroom from jurors and the public gallery, with Justice Beale commenting “that was deliberate just to check if you were still awake,” before laughing himself.

Prosecutors allege Ms Patterson deliberately spiked the meal with the poisonous mushrooms intending to kill, or at least seriously injure, her guests, while her defence maintains it was a tragic accident.

Last week, jurors in the trial were sent home early on Thursday by Justice Christopher Beale, who advised he would begin his closing address on Tuesday morning.

“It is more important than ever that you have a good weekend,” he said.

“I really want you to come back refreshed on Tuesday.”

Simon’s parents, Don and Gail Patterson, died a day apart in early August 2023. Picture: Supplied

Simon’s parents, Don and Gail Patterson, died a day apart in early August 2023. Picture: Supplied
The judge said he had a lot of ground to cover in his remarks, estimating it would take two or three days to deliver.

He said the charge would cover three topics – the relevant legal framework, the issues for jurors to determine and a summary of the evidence and arguments.

In her closing arguments delivered last week, Crown prosecutor Nanette Rogers SC argued the evidence adduced over the previous seven weeks could allow the jury to “safely reject” the theory the lunch was a terrible accident.

“We say there is no reasonable alternative explanation for what happened to the lunch guests other than the accused deliberately sourced death cap mushrooms and deliberately included them in the meal she served them, with an intention to kill them,” Dr Rogers said.


Heather Wilkinson was the first of the lunch guests to die on August 4, while her husband, Ian Wilkinson, survived. Picture: Supplied.
On the other side of the bar table, Ms Patterson’s barrister, Colin Mandy SC, argued the prosecution’s case was built on cherrypicked facts and the jury should accept his client’s account of an accidental poisoning.

“There’s no possible prospect that Erin wanted in those circumstances to destroy her whole world, her whole life. Surely, it’s more likely that her account is true,” he said.


He said Patterson, who spent eight days in the witness box, was not obliged to give evidence in the trial and did not have to prove her own innocence.

"She is no different to any other witness," Justice Beale said.
"You must assess her evidence the same as you assess the evidence of any other witness."

He listed several conclusions for them to take into account about Patterson's evidence.
If they found her evidence was true, or likely to be true, they must find her not guilty of all charges, he said.

It was not enough to "prefer" the prosecution's case to Patterson's evidence, or to choose which they prefer.

Rather, it was up to the prosecution to establish she was guilty, the judge said.

If jurors did not believe Patterson's evidence, they must put it aside and establish if the prosecution had proven she was guilty beyond a reasonable doubt based on their evidence.

The 14 jurors will be balloted down to 12 and sequestered when they begin deliberations.
They must return with a unanimous verdict on all charges.


The trial continues.











 
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11.12am

Jury told to consider the case solely on the evidence​

By​


“If you find her evidence true, you must find her not guilty,” Justice said.

“If you think she might be telling the truth, you must find her not guilty.

If you do not believe her, that does not mean you should find her not guilty.

“(In that case) you must put her evidence aside and assess whether the prosecution has proved the case beyond a reasonable doubt. “

Justice Beale said the jury must also not give Patterson’s evidence less weight because she is the accused.

He reiterated that, under the law, Patterson is given the presumption of innocence until proved guilty.

He said if the jury gave less weight to her evidence, they would be in breach of that concept.

wow
Th judge is making it very hard for them to vote Guilty.
 
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For Ms Patterson, the judge raised eight topics he said the prosecution wanted to highlight.

These were;

1) Whether she had a tendency to pick and eat wild mushrooms;

2) Whether her children were “invited to or free to attend the lunch”;

3) The source of mushrooms that went into the beef wellingtons;

4) How much the accused woman ate of her beef wellington;

5) How much Gail Patterson ate of her beef wellington;

6) When Ms Patterson claimed she started to experience diarrhoea after the lunch;

7) Whether Ms Patterson knew or begun to suspect the lunch was the cause of Don and Gail’s illnesses on the evening of July 30;

8) Whether she knew Don and Gail were in comas by August 1, 2023.

Justice Beale said it was a matter for the jury to determine if a witness had made prior inconsistent statements, but if they did they could use it to assess credibility.

He said inconsistent statements do not necessarily lead to the conclusion a witness was lying and they would have to determine which, if any, statement to believe.
 
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We don't get a whole, clear view of the testimony when it is 'trial by tweet.'

But I felt the judge was kind of tipping his hat in Erin's favour a bit. In his descriptions and directions he seemed to be harder on the prosecution, imo.
 
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We don't get a whole, clear view of the testimony when it is 'trial by tweet.'

But I felt the judge was kind of tipping his hat in Erin's favour a bit. In his descriptions and directions he seemed to be harder on the prosecution, imo.
💯 😒
 
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Maybe her mashed potatoes always turned out lumpy, like mine.
Make sure the potatoes are well-cooked and drained, then try using hot milk instead of cold to mash!
 
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We don't get a whole, clear view of the testimony when it is 'trial by tweet.'

But I felt the judge was kind of tipping his hat in Erin's favour a bit. In his descriptions and directions he seemed to be harder on the prosecution, imo.


Considering how much she has lied and been proven to have lied on the stand it’s crazy in my eyes that the judge is making this harder than it needs to be. IMO
 
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Considering how much she has lied and been proven to have lied on the stand it’s crazy in my eyes that the judge is making this harder than it needs to be. IMO
What is the judge doing today? Is he, perhaps, trying to dot-the-is and cross-the-ts to avoid any chance of a successful appeal if EP is found guilty, or is he planning to swing over more to the prosecution's side towards the end of these few days in order for his final words are remembered more clearly by the jury when they go on to deliberate? Or is it something else entirely?
 
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If you do not believe her, that does not mean you should find her not guilty. <RSBM>
That's a hard one to follow logically. IMO

Is it perhaps a reporting error and possibly he said 'that does not mean you should find her guilty'?
 
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I’ve added some more (in my opinion) lies.

Copied and pasted from HoneyBunOne’s list of lies:
-the ovarian cancer (also of the elbow)
-the diarrhoea
-the fentanyl-out-of-ten (pain score) headache
-the bulimia
-the gastric band surgery
-the liposuction
-the Tupperware
-Claiming that she never went to Loch or Outrim to forage Death Caps
-Loving her relatives
- Having had bulimia for years
- Wee sample at hospital containing poo (I thought it was the other way around?)
- Cancer diagnosis
- Having booked in for weight loss surgery
- Chopping up the dehydrated mushrooms before adding them to the duxelles
- Son dropping phone into the mud
- Having foraged multiple times
- Purchasing the lunch mushrooms from an Asian store
- Needing to go back home from the hospital to pack her daughter’s ballet bag and tend to the animals
-Drinking tea on the day after lunch and only a little bit of takeaway coffee
-Eating 1kg of mushrooms herself in the days before the lunch.
-Being religious
- Giving her primary phone to Police
- not feeding the kids lunch leftovers
- house not apartment (is townhouse)
- using Recipetineats recipe
- tasting foraged mushrooms
- Simon’s accusatory words to Erin about the dehydrator, “Is that what you used to poison them?”
- saying the sixth BW wasn't for Simon
-the bush poo

-the original “don’t own a dehydrator” and “never foraged lies.”
-dehydrating the already dehydrated Asian store mushrooms.
-saying Subway footage of son is not her son.
-saying she didn’t eat any dinner with her children on the Sunday night.
-scraping mushrooms off leftovers for the children.
-saying she’d been very helpful to health authorities.
-saying she was ashamed of her Facebook messages about Patterson family.
-telling her son they wouldn’t go to Church on Sunday because she was worried her “gastro” was contagious.
-saying she tried to call the hospital back twice after she discharged herself.
-claiming to have searched whether death caps grow in South Gippsland and finding they don’t (they do).
-pretending she didn’t understand the term “mushrooming”
-saying the daughter was invited to join the lunch but chose to go to the movies.
-claiming the purpose of the lunch was to strengthen relationship with in-laws and show Heather the garden/thank Heather and Ian for past support.
-saying she gave her son her credit card at Koo Wee Rup donut van to buy her a drink and he bought her a coffee “out of habit”.
-saying she put the sixth beef Wellington in her fridge.
-saying she had a sleep in the time between discharging herself from hospital and returning.
-saying she discharged herself from hospital to feed animals/pack daughters ballet bag etc but didn’t even make arrangements for children to be collected from school bus (before she was told children would need testing).
-saying original duxelles of button mushrooms, garlic and shallots tasted bland.
 
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I'm so confused about the ovarian cancer of the elbow...
what on earth was she thinking or hoping to persuade people?
It's the sort of tale that a psychotic delusional person would come up with.
And yet we've not heard any comment on her having delusional beliefs or something like schizophrenia. This crime would be easier to comprehend if she *did* have a severe mental health problem as it would be more logical.

When she decided to invent cancer, why didn't she keep it to her internal body parts, ie ovarian or uterine? Nobody could dispute her. Since when has any type of gynae cancer migrated to the elbow? And wouldn't she think they might want to look at her elbow or tend to the bandages or such like? It's so odd. All of this story is so bizarre.

JMO MOO
 
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Considering how much she has lied and been proven to have lied on the stand it’s crazy in my eyes that the judge is making this harder than it needs to be. IMO
I don't think he's doing that. The prosecution have the burden of proof, it is the prosecution case that must be proven beyond reasonable doubt. Not the defence, who don't have to prove anything at all. I think everything the judge has said has been with that in mind and its very good to make sure everything is ironclad against any future appeals based on errors of law, errors of fact, substantial injustice, etc
 
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I’ve added some more (in my opinion) lies.

Copied and pasted from HoneyBunOne’s list of lies:
-the ovarian cancer (also of the elbow)
-the diarrhoea
-the fentanyl-out-of-ten (pain score) headache
-the bulimia
-the gastric band surgery
-the liposuction
-the Tupperware
-Claiming that she never went to Loch or Outrim to forage Death Caps
-Loving her relatives
- Having had bulimia for years
- Wee sample at hospital containing poo (I thought it was the other way around?)
- Cancer diagnosis
- Having booked in for weight loss surgery
- Chopping up the dehydrated mushrooms before adding them to the duxelles
- Son dropping phone into the mud
- Having foraged multiple times
- Purchasing the lunch mushrooms from an Asian store
- Needing to go back home from the hospital to pack her daughter’s ballet bag and tend to the animals
-Drinking tea on the day after lunch and only a little bit of takeaway coffee
-Eating 1kg of mushrooms herself in the days before the lunch.
-Being religious
- Giving her primary phone to Police
- not feeding the kids lunch leftovers
- house not apartment (is townhouse)
- using Recipetineats recipe
- tasting foraged mushrooms
- Simon’s accusatory words to Erin about the dehydrator, “Is that what you used to poison them?”
- saying the sixth BW wasn't for Simon
-the bush poo

-the original “don’t own a dehydrator” and “never foraged lies.”
-dehydrating the already dehydrated Asian store mushrooms.
-saying Subway footage of son is not her son.
-saying she didn’t eat any dinner with her children on the Sunday night.
-scraping mushrooms off leftovers for the children.
-saying she’d been very helpful to health authorities.
-saying she was ashamed of her Facebook messages about Patterson family.
-telling her son they wouldn’t go to Church on Sunday because she was worried her “gastro” was contagious.
-saying she tried to call the hospital back twice after she discharged herself.
-claiming to have searched whether death caps grow in South Gippsland and finding they don’t (they do).
-pretending she didn’t understand the term “mushrooming”
-saying the daughter was invited to join the lunch but chose to go to the movies.
-claiming the purpose of the lunch was to strengthen relationship with in-laws and show Heather the garden/thank Heather and Ian for past support.
-saying she gave her son her credit card at Koo Wee Rup donut van to buy her a drink and he bought her a coffee “out of habit”.
-saying she put the sixth beef Wellington in her fridge.
-saying she had a sleep in the time between discharging herself from hospital and returning.
-saying she discharged herself from hospital to feed animals/pack daughters ballet bag etc but didn’t even make arrangements for children to be collected from school bus (before she was told children would need testing).
-saying original duxelles of button mushrooms, garlic and shallots tasted bland.
It's quite the substantial list, isn't it? They roll off the tongue so easily, imo.
 
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That's a hard one to follow logically. IMO

Is it perhaps a reporting error and possibly he said 'that does not mean you should find her guilty'?
This reporting words it differently, so I think "If you do not believe her, that does not mean you should find her not guilty" might have been incorrect paraphrasing, although it's hard to see where the wording aligns.

2:30 AM
Jun 24, 2025

Warning over 'unprecedented' media attention on case
Justice Beale has spoken about the “unprecedented media attention” around the trial and how it has “excited much public comment”.
“If any of that has reached your eyes and ears … you must be particularly careful not to let it influence you in any way,” he said.
“No one in the media, in the public, in your workplace or in your home has sat in the jury box in this trial.
“You, and you alone, are best placed to decide if the prosecution has proved its case beyond reasonable doubt.”
He then turned to the topic of the accused giving evidence in her own trial.
“She did not have to do that,” he said.
“An accused person has the right to remain silent.
“It’s not for her to prove her innocence.”
He told them they must assess her evidence in the same way they would assess the evidence of any other witnesses, which would bring them to one of four conclusions:
* If you think her evidence is true, you must find her not guilty;
* If you are not sure her evidence is true, but think it might be, you will have reasonable doubt and you must find her not guilty;
* If you only prefer the prosecution case to her evidence, you must find her not guilty; and
* If you do not think her evidence is true, you must then consider if the prosecution has proved its case beyond reasonable doubt before you can find her guilty.

 
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What is the judge doing today? Is he, perhaps, trying to dot-the-is and cross-the-ts to avoid any chance of a successful appeal if EP is found guilty, or is he planning to swing over more to the prosecution's side towards the end of these few days in order for his final words are remembered more clearly by the jury when they go on to deliberate? Or is it something else entirely?

In my mind it is crazy that the judge is going through the evidence with the jury. He is even making his own assumptions without scientific evidence such as his comment of being more probable to accidently pick DC mushrooms if more foraging has been done. I don't know why he is not limiting his instructions to the jury on the points of law and without relating to specific pieces of evidence. He shouldn't need to instruct on specific testimonial evidence as all of it was already admissible (unless he instructed otherwise) and the lawyers all had their chance to cross-examine. Judge Beale has already told the Jurors that they are to be the judge of the presented evidence, so why is he prejudging it and adding his own assumptions?

If the example of the assumption he made was instead in the favour of the defence, then that would surely be a a reason for appeal that the Judge had erred.

I am Australian, so I have a right to criticise procedure in my own country. The same with our soft sentencing and the notion of concurrent sentences.

Is this they way judges in the USA give final instructions to jurors?
 
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In my mind it is crazy that the judge is going through the evidence with the jury. He is even making his own assumptions without scientific evidence such as his comment of being more probable to accidently pick DC mushrooms if more foraging has been done. I don't know why he is not limiting his instructions to the jury on the points of law and without relating to specific pieces of evidence. He shouldn't need to instruct on specific testimonial evidence as all of it was already admissible (unless he instructed otherwise) and the lawyers all had their chance to cross-examine. Judge Beale has already told the Jurors that they are to be the judge of the presented evidence, so why is he prejudging it and adding his own assumptions?

If the example of the assumption he made was instead in the favour of the defence, then that would surely be a a reason for appeal that the Judge had erred.

I am Australian, so I have a right to criticise procedure in my own country. The same with our soft sentencing and the notion of concurrent sentences.

Is this they way judges in the USA give final instructions to jurors?
I completely agree with you. It seems most unusual. I thought a judge is meant to be impartial? 🤔
 
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In my mind it is crazy that the judge is going through the evidence with the jury. He is even making his own assumptions without scientific evidence such as his comment of being more probable to accidently pick DC mushrooms if more foraging has been done. I don't know why he is not limiting his instructions to the jury on the points of law and without relating to specific pieces of evidence. He shouldn't need to instruct on specific testimonial evidence as all of it was already admissible (unless he instructed otherwise) and the lawyers all had their chance to cross-examine. Judge Beale has already told the Jurors that they are to be the judge of the presented evidence, so why is he prejudging it and adding his own assumptions?

If the example of the assumption he made was instead in the favour of the defence, then that would surely be a a reason for appeal that the Judge had erred.

I am Australian, so I have a right to criticise procedure in my own country. The same with our soft sentencing and the notion of concurrent sentences.

Is this they way judges in the USA give final instructions to jurors?
BBM I've searched in this thread for this comment by the judge and I can't find it. I'm not saying he didn't say it, but could you point to the part where he said that please.
 
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