Australia - 3 dead after eating wild mushrooms, Leongatha, Victoria, Aug 2023 #14 *Arrest*

[CityKid]

Just occurred to me I don't know anyone who owns a dehydrator. Does anyone here own one?

I don't have a stand-alone dehydrator, but I've got this countertop oven that I've used for dehydrating. I've dehydrated banana chips (plain) and kale pieces (tossed with olive oil and seasonings) for snacks.

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[Warshawski]

In my theory, she didn't have a detailed plan of how to use the Deathcaps, and didn't measure them out to calculate a dose etc. She only had a vague idea of how poisonous they were, and an opportunity presented itself where she was able to get some; she wasn't seeking them out. A lot is made of the measuring of the DC, but in the trial we have seen her posting to her friends about how much she was enjoying the dehydrating process and how much it had reduced them by. She didn't only weigh and photograph the DC mushrooms. Does it really make more sense that she's plotting a detailed murder but posting all this information to her friends?

I appreciate your theory, as I do all the others. At this stage everything is a theory - as tbh I guess is the prosecution’s case. As others have said, what comes out post-trial may be enlightening.

However I do believe she had a plan. And I believe she was weighing with a purpose. She had failed in her attempts on SP’s life, so she wasn’t going to let any of them get away this time IMO. Powdering the DC made it very easy to get a substantial yet invisible dose in each BW.

In saying that I’m not disputing that she was enjoying the dehydrating process & that she was very keen to show off her latest skills online. She knew she was King in the ‘smarts department’. In her mind she could do anything and no one would be suspicious, she was just sharing photos of her latest hobby with her friends.

 

[Bats]

So say she was innocent, and dumping the dehydrator was from pure panic.... let's not forget there was death cap residue found inside it! So by the defense argument she didn't do anything on purpose - was Erin aware she had dehydrated death caps, or she thought all along her foraged mushrooms were "ok" ones?

Yes, that's correct. In her defence she is saying she had no clue she'd foraged DC mushrooms.

Her version is that some time after she was told the guests likely had DC mushroom poisoning, she put 2 and 2 together and realised she may have accidentally foraged DC mushrooms many weeks earlier. Hence, the disposal of dehydrator, the denial to police that she'd foraged etc...

To the doctors in the days after the meal, she said the meal contained supermarket mushrooms and small Asian grocer mushrooms, which at the time was the truth to her knowledge. Again, in her version.

 

[Warshawski]

Her appointment was made months before the lunch.


Mandy has taken Patterson to phone records included in the brief of evidence that he says show that Patterson contacted the Enrich Clinic on April 19, 2023, and May 31, 2023.

Erin Patterson murder trial as it happened: Disagree. Disagree. Disagree. Final denials in mushroom cook cross-examination

The lengthy cross-examination of Erin Patterson concluded today as the accused delivered her final denials and explanations to the prosecution’s pointed accusations before being re-examined by her own defence lawyer.

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Planning how to spend her next inheritance windfall maybe

 

[al66pine]

"My dad" Screenshot?

The Witch? Yes.

Here's a screenshot nobody has seen before.

@Detechtive

I've missed a lotttttttt of discussion in this case but am curious about:
- the actual source (straight off FB, like by a WS member? MSM? Specific source/link?
- whether this was offered and admitted as. evd. at trial?

IOW, did this screenshot actually originate from EP? I see the websleuths.com watermark or background but IDK significance of that, if any.

@Detechtive? Anyone?
Please and Thank You.

 

[Baby baby Jane]

I don't have a stand-alone dehydrator, but I've got this countertop oven that I've used for dehydrating. I've dehydrated banana chips (plain) and kale pieces (tossed with olive oil and seasonings) for snacks.

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My neighbor did. She often gave us dried stuff we didn’t really want. She gave us a lot when she was trying it out, drying loads - but then less. Dried plantains (mushy), dried apple.
We used for baking things but wouldn’t have baked fruit loaves otherwise.
Honest opinion is she had issues with food, and the dried was part of obsessional “nutrition” behavior of buying fruit and drying.

 

[Warshawski]

I was the only person who she spoke to about her past work life, she was quite secretive about it generally. It wasn't until recently that I found out the reasons for the multiple career jumps, and it wasn't by her choosing.

I don't believe the nursing claim because she would not have been able to become registered IMO. Similarly for any continued work in the financial services industry. IMO

To become a registered nurse or midwife in Australia, the Nursing and Midwifery Board of Australia (NMBA), in conjunction with the Australian Health Practitioner Regulation Agency (Ahpra), requires all applicants to undergo a criminal history check. This process ensures that only individuals who are suitable and safe to practise are granted registration.

In my personal opinion she was just bored being a stay at home mother, and wanted to do courses without actually needing to ever work due to her wealth. I don't think she ever planned on working. IMO

I’m wondering if she still is as wealthy as perhaps is the general thinking.

She has in her current possession at least 2 houses that she purchased as well as her current ‘new built’. She also lent close to $1 mill between SP’s siblings, plus they travelled extensively.

 

[al66pine]

"Double double, toil and trouble, fire burn and cauldron bubble" - comes from Shakespeare's Macbeth. Erin is certainly trouble.

Shakespeare (or Shakespeare's spirit) has now entered the thread.
That is all.

 

[Detechtive]

I’m wondering if she still is as wealthy as perhaps is the general thinking.

She has in her current possession at least 2 houses that she purchased as well as her current ‘new built’. She also lent close to $1 mill between SP’s siblings, plus they travelled extensively.

She’s not rich but she’s got millions in assets and no debts. Quite rare I would say.

 

[JBowie]

I’m wondering if she still is as wealthy as perhaps is the general thinking.

Mandy will be making inroads into that, by the minute.

 

[Detechtive]

"My dad" Screenshot?

@Detechtive

I've missed a lotttttttt of discussion in this case but am curious about:
- the actual source (straight off FB, like by a WS member? MSM? Specific source/link?
- whether this was offered and admitted as. evd. at trial?

IOW, did this screenshot actually originate from EP? I see the websleuths.com watermark or background but IDK significance of that, if any.

@Detechtive? Anyone?
Please and Thank You.

She sent that message to myself and friends.
It wasn’t evidence.
I put the websleuths watermark on it because the media keep stealing stuff people are posting, for their stories.

 

[CityKid]

More like explosive lie-arrhea.

So you're saying the bush poo was a sham poo?

 

[CityKid]

Erin was technically correct to say a week after the lunch that she did not own a dehydrator as by that time she had disposed of it

"Remember, it's not a lie if you believe it." — George Costanza

 

[Detechtive]

Well, I meant in relation to your post about "stalking and harrassing", but either, or, or both. Just if you think it's possible.

Definitely think it’s possible. IMO

 

[L_B]

Yes, that's correct. In her defence she is saying she had no clue she'd foraged DC mushrooms.

Her version is that some time after she was told the guests likely had DC mushroom poisoning, she put 2 and 2 together and realised she may have accidentally foraged DC mushrooms many weeks earlier. Hence, the disposal of dehydrator, the denial to police that she'd foraged etc...

To the doctors in the days after the meal, she said the meal contained supermarket mushrooms and small Asian grocer mushrooms, which at the time was the truth to her knowledge. Again, in her version.

As standalone evidence, I can see yeah perhaps this was an accident... but there's too many other lies IMO that tip the scale to not accident.

 

[CityKid]

I know he doesn't have any other choice, but I still feel like it's a mistake to go against seasoned professionals who have no skin in the game. Doctors, nurses, child protection workers - these are all people who chose careers to help people, they are highly professional and keep strict records and notes.
Trying to diminish their credibility to normalise Erins lapses in 'memory' is a mistake, IMO

I don't know if the makeup of the jury (including things like professions) has been revealed, but I imagine at least a few of them (or their family members) are involved in health care-adjacent fields and will not respond well to Mandy maligning their professionalism.

 

[CityKid]

1m ago06.51 BST

Patterson opened herself to 'scrutiny of the whole world', defence says​

Mandy reminds the jury Patterson had a right to silence and did not have to testify in the trial.

“She doesn’t have to provide anything and yet she decided to give evidence and subject herself to several days of cross-examination by a very experienced barrister.”

He says in doing so Patterson opened herself up to juror’s scrutiny and the “scrutiny of the whole world.”

Erin Patterson mushroom trial day 33 – as it happened

This blog is now closed

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Got a regular Joan of Arc here.

 

[MaxDecimus13]

Protection might have avoided this kind of witness because—- there isn’t human research on DC where a scientist could say: …
Dose of X amount after 1 hour would have ABC effect on body
After 2 hours
Vomiting would leave this amount in body..

There are no lab tests poisoning people, and DC poisoning rare and often the person dead so can’t give good evidence.

Info available:
People weights, ages & health, mushroom potency, amount eaten …. All just based on interviews with no facts.

As there is no “factual scientific tested” data. Defense would easily get a witness to admit that there is not firm science about vomiting and defense would be stronger.

What they could have done was indicate how long it would take the toxins to enter the body, and that throwing up would have largely been irrelevant to preventing this.

That would at least prevent the idea that she threw up the dinner which is why she didn't get any of the deathcaps.

 

[MaxDecimus13]

Got a regular Joan of Arc here.

Did he cough and say 'against my wishes at the same time?

 

[Baby baby Jane]

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Talking of said podcast, I distinctly got the feeling today that they were still very pro-Erin. Rachael seemed almost gleeful at times.

There was a question at the end that really made me wonder whether the prosecution have made a serious error by not using scientists to demonstrate that throwing up wouldn't have helped.

A listener basically asked the question but in a way to suggest that maybe her being sick was why she didn't get poisoned the same. She did query how long it took, but all the podcasters was say was that the prosecution never demonstrated it.

It only takes 1 juror to be thinking the same.

Cynically wondering if podcasters present in a way that keeps audience listening and engaged. Bring pro-Erin gets listeners thinking - what have I missed?

What they could have done was indicate how long it would take the toxins to enter the body, and that throwing up would have largely been irrelevant to preventing this.

That would at least prevent the idea that she threw up the dinner which is why she didn't get any of the deathcaps.

Defense to expert witness:

How many cases of accidental ingestion and person self induced vomiting shortly after ingestion & before symptoms started ?
Witness: none

Is it possible that a small meal, and 2/3 orange cake (size?), followed by self induced vomiting, by an experienced vomiter, prevented a toxic amount of aminita from entering the body?
Witness: possible? Because there no other cases award of.

So it’s possible, EP, by virtue of her bulimia, and being an experienced and thorough vomiter, expelled the DC before a toxic amount could enter her system?

Etc