Australia - 3 dead after eating wild mushrooms, Leongatha, Victoria, Aug 2023 #14 *Arrest*

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[Salah11]

Does anybody know how much longer this case is scheduled for?

 

[katydid23]

Liposuction wouldn’t require the rehab gastric bypass would to necessitate for the wrap around care and assistance she was trying to put in place with the false premise of the lunch.

yes, that's why her explanation is so ridiculous. imo

She declared on the stand just a few days ago, that the reason she lied to her in-laws about having ovarian cancer was that she was going to have surgery. But it was bariatric surgery but she was too ashamed to admit that to them.

Sharing that confession with the jury was seen as relatable and humanising and some people were possibly feeling compassionate and understanding about that big cancer lie she told them.

But then we hear from Dr R that there was no Bariatric surgery scheduled and it was never scheduled. So what did EP say to that?

She immediately pivoted and said 'Uh, maybe it was liposuction not bariatric surgery....that's what I meant...

And now we know that was a lie too. There was never even liposuction scheduled. THAT WAS ALL A LIE.

And she cannot say that those lies were because she panicked. That was not the case. These were clearly planned manufactured lies. Not sudden blurted out lies because she had 2 years to come up with these explanations.

 

[MrJ]

Does anybody know how much longer this case is scheduled for?

At least until the end of June!

 

[Lisa4]

This was from last Friday, 6 June.

 

[CityKid]

Not that she did, but if anyone else considers making mushroom burgers instead of meat burgers, it takes about 2 to 2 1/2 pounds (close to 1 KG) to make 6 to 8. And they are absolutely delicious just using regular button mushrooms.

• 4 tablespoons olive oil, divided
• 2 pounds fresh mushrooms
• 3/4 medium onion, finely chopped
• 5 cloves garlic, minced
• 1 teaspoon salt
• 3/4 teaspoon black pepper
• 3/4 teaspoon dried oregano
• 1 cup dry bread crumbs
• 1 cup rolled oats
• 3/4 cup freshly shredded Parmigiano-Reggiano cheese
• 3 large eggs, beaten

1. Heat 3 tablespoons oil in a large skillet over medium heat. Add mushrooms, onion, garlic, salt, pepper, and oregano; cook and stir until mushrooms have released their juices and the liquid has evaporated, about 10 minutes. Remove from the heat.
   
   
   
2. Transfer mushrooms to a cutting board and clean the skillet.
   
   
   
3. Chop mushrooms into small chunks, then transfer to a large bowl. Mix in bread crumbs and oats, and season with salt and pepper as needed. Stir in Parmigiano-Reggiano cheese, then eggs; let stand until bread crumbs have absorbed any excess liquid, about 15 minutes. Use moist hands to form mixture, 1/4 cup at a time, into patties.
   
   
   
4. Heat remaining oil in the skillet over medium heat. Pan-fry patties in the hot skillet until golden brown and cooked through, 2 1/2 to 3 minutes per side.

I will be making these! I won't let this take my mushrooms away.

 

[Lisa4]

I know we don't have thread titles but if we did, here's mine.

Ms Patterson, are you discombobulating this as you go along?

 

[MrJ]

Mine would be:
#14: Erin Patterson and the No Good, Terrible, Horrible, Very Bad Cross-Examination

I know we don't have thread titles but if we did, here's mine.

Ms Patterson, are you discombobulating this as you go along?

 

[Salah11]

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This was from last Friday, 6 June.

Thank you

It’s crazy it’s lasting a lot longer than I anticipated .

 

[Jake18]

Dog poo bag of used toilet paper placed inside her handbag suggests her standards of hygiene are questionable!

This is so implausible to me. Explosive diarrhoea necessitating a stop on the side of the road, but cream pants are intact and, when faced with an actual toilet, doesn’t have further diarrhoea, doesn’t need to clean up a bit more and doesn’t wash her hands

 

[CityKid]

This is so implausible to me. Explosive diarrhoea necessitating a stop on the side of the road, but cream pants are intact and, when faced with an actual toilet, doesn’t have further diarrhoea, doesn’t need to clean up a bit more and doesn’t wash her hands

Amazing she did all that without the children noticing.

 

[Lisa4]

This is so implausible to me. Explosive diarrhoea necessitating a stop on the side of the road, but cream pants are intact and, when faced with an actual toilet, doesn’t have further diarrhoea, doesn’t need to clean up a bit more and doesn’t wash her hands

Washing her hands would have been a far more plausible use of time wouldn't it...?

》 I just went and timed myself washing hands, at 9 seconds I hadn't even finished soaping up! (was doing v thoroughly as one should under those circumstances.)

Sharing that confession with the jury was seen as relatable and humanising and some people were possibly feeling compassionate and understanding about that big cancer lie she told them.

@katydid23 You really think?

 

[Megnut]

Yes, being so resistant to bringing in the children was a big red flag, imo.

Her answer to the nurses, doctors and to Dr R, that " they didn't eat the mushrooms so they are fine" just doesn't make sense. Wouldn't a mother be so worried and concerned that their children had eaten SOME of that poisoned meal that they'd bring them in for an examination, just to be certain?

The kids had eaten the leftovers one day after the lunch guests had eaten the meal so it was possible they were about to get sick. And the 4 lunch guests were severely ill. It's hard to understand why EP was so stubborn and resistant to just having the kids checked out.

Especially if EP was being truthful about her own 'illness symptoms' she claimed she was experiencing.

EVEN IF she had accidentally served foraged death cap mushrooms, she'd still be frightened and worried that her children had accidentally ingested some when they ate the meat.

She supposedly thought the mushrooms were safe and edible when she scraped off the mushrooms for her kid's leftovers. So how carefully did she really do that scraping? How was she instantly so certain that her kids had not ingested any death cap residue from meat that was cooked WITH the death caps paste on top of it?

How could she be confident the toxin was delivered by the duxelle and that it didn't bleed into the beef?

Me, I'd be terrified of any potential degree of cross contamination.

From where does her omnipotence come?

Where would we be if EP served brownies with a secret duxelle and fed her children anything but brownies the next day?

JMO

 

[BreakingNews]

I've said for some time that I think there is a chance that Erin is innocent, but that she has lied to try and make her story sound better, and it is these lies that will ultimately send her down.

For instance, she knows she has put foraged mushrooms in and realises early on that these are DC mushrooms in, but lies to make it look like she got them unknowingly from an Asian grocer and therefore it wasnt really her fault. An obvious lie.

After the Asian grocer story can't be sustained, she tries to make it sound like she probably put them in in a way that would mean she didn't realise until a few days later and therefore she wasn't misleading anyone at the time. Doesn't sound believable and some evidence makes it seem unlikely.

She realises it looks bad that only she has not developed severe symptoms, so she lies that the kids had leftovers and didn't get symptoms either. This ends up looking like an obvious lie too.

She has been caught out trying to pretend she has cancer for sympathy or manipulation, and out of embarrassment concocts a story about a gastric band. This again ends up being found out as a lie.

The jury end up seeing the lies and seeing guilt in the sheer amount of them when it is just a disastrous attempt to make herself look better.

The alternative of course is that she is lying to cover her actual guilt, which is it hard to argue against when you see the sheer amount of unlikely scenarios.

Agree. However a liar doesn't make her a murderer. I have to remain neutral until this trial is over. She is entitled to a fair trial and innocent until proved guilty.

 

[mamamama9873]

Have we heard a single word of regret from EP? Sorry that three people died, regardless of how? I see more passion in splitting definitions and mincing words.

I find this mind boggling and horrific as well. Either way, whether innocent or guilty, she directly caused the death of her 3 relatives whom she supposedly loved.
From what has been reported her testimony has only been about herself, her ‘hardships’, no regret, remorse or grief for her 3 relatives that died as a result of the lunch she prepared.

 

[mamamama9873]

In your opinion, can Erin comprehend just how badly she's doing on cross, or does she think the jury are buying her lies?

IMO Erin is the kind of person with little to no self reflection and likely believes her own lies. I believe she feels she is doing well on the stand.

 

[L_B]

Sounds good but at this point, I don't think anybody following the trial closely is inclined to follow mushroom recipes.

lol my partner was trying to convince me to have some mushroom supplement, I was like no thanks

 

[L_B]

I find this mind boggling and horrific as well. Either way, whether innocent or guilty, she directly caused the death of her 3 relatives whom she supposedly loved.
From what has been reported her testimony has only been about herself, her ‘hardships’, no regret, remorse or grief for her 3 relatives that died as a result of the lunch she prepared.

Totally agree, my partner is not following the case, once I said there was no remorse, they were like, yep that points to guilty for me. I know the jury will base their decision on the evidence, but that basic lack of compassion sure is something!

 

[Salah11]

I will be very Intrigued to see if Simon after this trial will push forward with his own questionable poisonings and illnesses. Moo

 

[Qwertzy2008]

I kept wondering why Erin’s lawyers aren’t pulling her into line after her horrible performance during the cross-examination over the last few days. I found out that, under Victorian law, her lawyer is actually NOT allowed to talk to her while she is being cross-examined/under oath. So everything we are seeing (the hostility, semantic arguments, passive-aggressiveness) - it’s all based on her own beliefs and thoughts about what she needs to do/say to get herself out of 3 murder charges. I think if anything, this just shows how skewed her perception and thinking is. IMO.