Australia - 3 dead after eating wild mushrooms, Leongatha, Victoria, Aug 2023 #14 *Arrest*

[Warshawski]

Erin Patterson’s barrister turns to the beef wellingtons served at fateful lunch

Barrister Colin Mandy SC asks Patterson about cooking six individual beef wellingtons for her guests.

Crown prosecutor Nanette Rogers SC previously suggested that Patterson prepared an extra poisoned beef wellington in case her estranged husband, Simon, attended the lunch.

Patterson rejected this.

Pattersons says she had five twin packs of beef eye fillets and put two in the freezer.

She says she decided to use the six fillets and use each one for a beef wellington as she had the ingredients.

Then threw it in the Bin !! Sure, makes perfect sense to me. ( not )

If the defence / EP’s aim was to cause total confusion & brain fog for members of the jury, I’d suggest they succeeded.

IMO.

 

[dothetime]

In a kids school bag may be .. .

Ballet bag

 

[Cliff Hardy]

Thats just it. Ian is still alive. Ian and Simon (and extended family). She held an AMA on social media knowing 3 members of her family and her kids grandparents were dead and an extremely unwell other one? Who the hell does that !!

Someone after their 15 minutes of fame perhaps?

Agree with you. Truly bizarre.

 

[Warshawski]

And there'd be no need for extensive childcare, which she manufactured as her explanation for why she lied about the cancer diagnosis.

Liposuction is what is usually classed as ‘minimally invasive’ surgery IMO, and requires the services of a Plastic Surgeon who makes small incisions in which to insert the suction tubes.
Again IMO, it is not considered a weight loss treatment, rather ‘body sculpting’ as it targets areas with excess deposits on a body that is otherwise close to ideal weight.
It does have a recovery period of some weeks.

 

[Detechtive]

With respect, I pointed out earlier in this case that the 6 hour limit is not correct. Believe me, the jury won't have even sorted the exhibits in 6 hours! Sometimes a judge can give a time limit after a jury says it can't reach a unanimous decision, but in murder trials they rarely put a time limit on it.

JURIES ACT 2000 - SECT 46 Failure to reach unanimous verdict in criminal trials

classic.austlii.edu.au

Sorry to quote Erin but "incorrect" . With anything other than murder in Victoria, a majority verdict applies - that is, 6 hours of deliberation can result in a majority verdict (11-1) for manslaughter (not murder, though). Manslaughter is on the table with a murder charge in Victoria, unless it is taken off by the judge after hearing arguments from both sides prior to jury deliberations.

We actually agree - there just seems to have been a miscommunication

When Is a Majority Verdict Allowed?
A majority verdict—where 11 out of 12 jurors agree—can be accepted in manslaughter trials if:

The jury has deliberated for at least 6 hours without reaching a unanimous decision.

The judge is satisfied that a unanimous verdict is unlikely to be reached.
brydens.com.au

This provision aims to prevent mistrials due to a single dissenting juror when the majority are in agreement.
www5.austlii.edu.au

Exceptions: When Is a Majority Verdict Not Permitted?
Majority verdicts are not allowed in trials for:

Murder

Treason

Certain serious drug offences under sections 71 and 72 of the Drugs, Poisons and Controlled Substances Act 1981
supremecourt.vic.gov.au

Commonwealth offences

In these cases, a unanimous verdict is required.

https://www.brydens.com.au/resource...-when-a-jury-cannot-reach-a-unanimous-verdict

 

[MrJ]

Detechtive was Erin constantly saying disagree or agree in the AMA

 

[Detechtive]

Detechtive was Erin constantly saying disagree or agree in the AMA

I don't remember

No, she provided a lot of detail, which turns out is at odds with direct witness testimony.

Like I mentioned earlier, discombobulating.

 

[Jess D]

I am really trying hard not to allow my personal experiences colour my answers, but it's impossible not to.. I am not a fan, let's put it that way, and for some very serious reasons which affected my family. So, with that disclaimer out of the way, it is my personal opinion that she is very good at mirroring and manipulating less intelligent people. My opinion only.

Both narcissistic traits...

 

[MaxDecimus13]

I don't remember

No, she provided a lot of detail, which turns out is at odds with direct witness testimony.

Like I mentioned earlier, discombobulating.

I'm hoping you still have some of these details, and maybe post-trial we can find them out...

 

[Detechtive]

DBM

 

[Jess D]

Totally agree. But her getting completely off would be worse.
It would also not necessarily imply complete innocence. Just that intent could not be proven.

It will be a travesty if she gets manslaughter.

 

[Jess D]

I don't remember

No, she provided a lot of detail, which turns out is at odds with direct witness testimony.

Like I mentioned earlier, discombobulating.

Was it via Zoom?

 

[Siko]

Was it via Zoom?

Or Zhroom

 

[MaxDecimus13]

I do think people maybe use their dislike of Erin and suspicion of what she has done, to cloud their opinions on things that are actually not that bad.

If I had innocently caused the deaths of 3 people, and I was an international news story I would inevitably be getting bombarded with messages from friends and relatives. I can imagine thinking that it would be a good idea to address questions to everyone all at once, in the hope that it would allay their fears and stop rumours being spread.

I wouldn't call it an AMA (although I'm not sure it has been claimed that it actually was) because that gives the impression of levity in what is a very serious situation.

Not everything she does is going to be psychotic or narcissistic.

 

[Detechtive]

I do think people maybe use their dislike of Erin and suspicion of what she has done, to cloud their opinions on things that are actually not that bad.

If I had innocently caused the deaths of 3 people, and I was an international news story I would inevitably be getting bombarded with messages from friends and relatives. I can imagine thinking that it would be a good idea to address questions to everyone all at once, in the hope that it would allay their fears and stop rumours being spread.

I wouldn't call it an AMA (although I'm not sure it has been claimed that it actually was) because that gives the impression of levity in what is a very serious situation.

Not everything she does is going to be psychotic or narcissistic.

She released a false statement to the whole world and the police, remember..

 

[dalsglen]

She released a false statement to the whole world and the police, remember..

Did she ever speak of Simon being seriously unwell in hospital?

 

[Detechtive]

DBM

 

[Detechtive]

DBM

 

[srper2]

Dog poo bag of used toilet paper placed inside her handbag suggests her standards of hygiene are questionable!

Probably was never any soiled TP, but she pretended she put it in her handbag for an excuse why her son didn't see or smell it? Dog poo bags still smell bad when they are tied up.

 

[Kemug]

"You seldom lie, Erin, is that correct?"
"Disagree!"