Australia - 3 dead after eating wild mushrooms, Leongatha, Victoria, Aug 2023 #15 *Arrest*

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Erin was aware of death caps, defence says​

The defence turns to the topic of death cap mushrooms, which Mr Mandy refers to as the deadliest mushroom on earth.

He then brings the jury to May 28, 2022, the date that expert evidence showed a computer in Erin Patterson's home had searched for death cap mushrooms.

Mr Mandy says there is no argument from the defence that it was Erin on the computer.

"There is little doubt that it was Erin Patterson looking up that question on the Cooler Master computer," he says.
This is despite Erin's testimony earlier in the trial, when she told prosecutors that she did not know if it was her on the computer, and only conceded it was "possible" she was the one using it.
 
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Erin was aware of death caps, defence says
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The defence turns to the topic of death cap mushrooms, which Mr Mandy refers to as the deadliest mushroom on earth.

He then brings the jury to May 28, 2022, the date that expert evidence showed a computer in Erin Patterson's home had searched for death cap mushrooms.

Mr Mandy says there is no argument from the defence that it was Erin on the computer.

"There is little doubt that it was Erin Patterson looking up that question on the Cooler Master computer," he says.

This is despite Erin's testimony earlier in the trial, when she told prosecutors that she did not know if it was her on the computer, and only conceded it was "possible" she was the one using it.
 
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Erin was aware of death caps, defence says​

The defence turns to the topic of death cap mushrooms, which Mr Mandy refers to as the deadliest mushroom on earth.

He then brings the jury to May 2
Mr Mandy says there is no argument from the defence that it was Erin on the computer.
What mess of a closing argument is this?? EP was always equivocal on this, 'it might have been me', and now there is no argument??
 
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1m ago02.17 BST
Erin Patterson’s defence says her interest in mushroom foraging was ‘not fabricated’

Mandy turns to talk about mushrooms.

He says shortly after the Covid lockdowns began, Patterson became interested in mushrooms. He says Patterson’s evidence and photos of wild mushrooms found on an SD card seized from Patterson’s house show this.

“It’s not made up. It’s not fabricated,” he says.

He says a lot of people became interested in foraging during Covid because they were only able to go outside for walks.

Mandy says a theme of the prosecution’s questioning of Patterson has been whether other people knew about her interest in foraging.

He says some of these photos from April and May 2020 show Patterrson’s children with her in the background while on a walk on the Leongatha rail trail.

“This is evidence and confirmation that Erin Patterson had an interest in mushrooms at exactly the same time [mycologist] Thomas May says this interest in mushrooms was becoming more popular,” he says.

Mandy reminds the jury that Patterson’s son recalled going for a walk with his mother in the Korumburra Botanic Gardens and her stopping to take a photograph of a mushroom.

Patterson’s daughter told police she had not been foraging with her mother, the court heard previously.

Mandy says it’s possible Paterson’s children could not recall their mother picking mushrooms on walks years later when questioned by police.

“Maybe it wasn’t a big deal,” he says.
 
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We take a break​

After his concession about Ms Patterson using the computer to search for death caps, Mr Mandy signals it's a convenient time for a break.

Justice Beale takes him up on it.

During the closing arguments this week, we have seen more frequent breaks, so expect a few more pauses.

Back soon.
 
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All very wishy washy from Mandy

No impact for me..!

Not a lot to work with
 
  • #47
All very wishy washy from Mandy

No impact for me..!

Not a lot to work with
It's really annoyed me!! I hope the jurors can see right through this
 
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Defence begins giving their chronology of events​


Mr Mandy launches into a full timeline of the lead up to the lunch, as the defence sees it.

He begin's by describing his client as a loving mother to her children.

Mr Mandy emphasises the strong relationship Erin Patterson had with her in-laws Don and Gail.

He recaps the early years of Erin's marriage to Simon Patterson, and their time spent living in Western Australia.
Good grief. More spaghetti at the wall.
 
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“Mr Mandy implies that her picking mushrooms on a walk would have been simply "incidental", and suggests that she would have done it "a handful of times" over the course of years.”

A handful of times, is that about five?
Erin’s evidence is that she has picked horse mushrooms, field mushrooms, honey mushrooms and slippery jacks. What terrible bad luck that the fifth type of wild mushroom she picked was death caps!
 
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5m ago11.24 AEST
Mandy says Patterson’s online friend, Jenny Hay, testified that his client told their group chat about her love of mushrooms.

He says picking mushrooms was not something Patterson did daily.

“It could only happen in mushroom season … and it only happened a handful of times in each of these seasons,” he says.

“It makes perfect sense … in the context of this dawning interest in mushrooms … that she would have become aware of death cap mushrooms.

It seems likely that people picking and eating death cap mushrooms would become aware of them … they are notorious.

People would know about that.
Mandy says the “question occurred to her” about whether death caps grow in Gippsland.

“So on 28 May 2022 there is little doubt it was Erin Patterson looking up that very question on the Cooler Master computer,” he says.

There’s no argument from us [that] it was someone else.
 
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“Mr Mandy implies that her picking mushrooms on a walk would have been simply "incidental", and suggests that she would have done it "a handful of times" over the course of years.”

A handful of times, is that about five?
Erin’s evidence is that she has picked horse mushrooms, field mushrooms, honey mushrooms and slippery jacks. What terrible bad luck that the fifth type of wild mushroom she picked was death caps!
Same day a food dehydrator fell into her car?

Same days she has the accidental misfortune to accidentally pick Death Cap mushrooms, she already knows she's gonna need to dehydrate them? And what? Pulverize them into brownies. For one's children. As one does.

I hate when that happens.

JMO
 
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What the hell are these arguments
 
  • #55
I can see more breaks happening, poor Mr Mandy, his cross-examination is running out 🥱😴😮‍💨
 
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How much longer will the trial run?​


Yesterday, Justice Christopher Beale gave the jury an update on the timeframe of the trial.

He said his final instructions weren't likely to start until Monday and he expected them to take more than a day.

"With the wind at my back, I might finish it by Tuesday afternoon," he told the panel.

With that in mind, the jury would probably not start deliberating until the middle of next week.
Wow! This is becoming a battle of attrition. Feel for the jury, they must be heartilly sick of this thing by now.
 
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What mess of a closing argument is this?? EP was always equivocal on this, 'it might have been me', and now there is no argument??
Well, she reserves the right to change her lies….um, answers. 😁
 
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@MaxDecimus13

This is an excellent post - and I think you are coming to the dark side despite your resistance

Without a doubt, Erin is a very intelligent person. She is methodical. She is obsessive in researching and fact gathering I would even suggest she is quite OCD in this way. She would make an excellent investigator. I've said before that it's a mistake to underestimate her mental faculties like I have seen many people do. It is without doubt that someone who qualifies as an Air Traffic Controller has a high level of intelligence.

However, nobody is a purely rational actor. She is quite rigid and I can imagine that any 'spanner in the works' (such as the hospital being onto the Death Cap cause quickly) caused irrational and careless actions post-lunch. However, that doesn't explain the one thing that has always given me pause, and that is - how could someone plan to kill 4 or 5 people and expect not to have intense focus on them?

But I think this explains it; assuming Erin was driven by a revenge mindset, she could have convinced herself her story would be believed through a blend of emotional distortion and irrational self-deception. Feeling wronged due to marital tensions, losing control of Simon who she saw as her possession rather than a partner, child-support disputes, and in-law conflicts she may have convinced herself her actions were justified emotional retaliation rather than murder, fostering motivated reasoning that reframed lethal intent as a kitchen mistake . This emotional fog likely triggered tunnel vision, so she fixated on immediate details (the cooking, the lunch) and ignored systemic consequences like forensic testing or rapid police probing and data connections .

Each time she imagined her narrative, that she panicked, not plotted her brain’s dopamine-driven reward circuits reinforced that belief, making it feel rational and believable. This would be further exacerbated by the fact it was long planned and she didn't discuss it with anyone else, which leads to confirmation bias, and eroding of rationality because other peoples thoughts on it aren't being reflected back at her to tighten up her logic. Similar to what happens with conspiracy theorists in echo chambers.

Finally, she likely overestimated the power of her emotional narrative - no motive, no symptoms, expressions of shock, believing that emotional testimony would outweigh hard forensic evidence, even as investigators found toxin DNA, chemical traces, and phone data inconsistencies.

In short, maybe revenge fuelled self-deception and emotional overconfidence blinded her to the reality that the tools of modern investigation wouldn’t be swayed by personal narratives, especially when she has been so adept at manipulating people and situations with her personal emotional narratives in the past.

Edit: To add to this, she was telling her only friends and social network (the online FB group) this emotionally deceptive narrative about her awful in-laws and estranged husband, which we saw during the prosecution case invited comments and perhaps further confirmations that her feelings of wanting to "get rid of them" were valid. Innocent comments from her support group who have been deceived on the truth about her in-laws like "You need to remove these toxic people from your life" could have very much helped fuel her self-deceptions and righteousness in getting rid of them in the most literal sense, IMO.

IMO only.
 
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Mr Mandy says Ms Patterson is not on trial for being a liar or being morally incorrect, and those things had no place in the trial.

That is just crazy. She might not be on trial for lying but the lying is actually really critical evidence
Absolutely. It was the defence - Mandy and Patterson herself - who volunteered her as a witness and Mandy himself is implying there that she lied and was morally incorrect.

How much faith can Mandy expect a jury to have in the evidence provided by a witness he describes that way?

That's the sort of condemning Mandy should be reserving for the prosecution's witnesses.
 
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Search for death cap was 'idle curiosity', defence says​

Mr Mandy says although he has confirmed his client's interest in foraging, it should not be tied to the events in July 2023.

"It's not suggested to you that [foraging] had anything to do with preparing the lunch," he says.
Mr Mandy returns to the use of the computer to visit the iNaturalist website in May 2022.

He says that Erin Patterson's search for death cap mushrooms was a search of "idle curiosity" before she ordered dinner that night.

Mr Mandy says the roughly two minutes of time she spent on the page meant Ms Patterson only briefly wanted to see if they grew near here.

"It's seconds, or a minute, enough time to zoom in on Leongatha and have a look," he says.

"This was not a deep and abiding interest in this subject matter, it was passing attention."
 
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