Australia - 3 dead after eating wild mushrooms, Leongatha, Victoria, Aug 2023 #15 *Arrest*

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  • #81
NPD would have a motive to remove the "interference" of these people from how she really wanted to live her life... and that absolutely included removing pastor and wife.

IMO
Exactly. She had recently taken the kids out of their private religious school and moved them further away to Phillips Island. I think she was planning on distancing herself and her kids from the meddling in-laws.

Erin herself said that her son didn't spend weekends with his father much anymore and their relationship was strained.

I think she wanted to move on.
 
  • #82
3m ago12.11 AEST
Mandy says there were 600 pages of messages from a Facebook group chat Patterson was in. But he says the prosecution only tendered six pages in the trial.

The court previously was shown messages from the group where Patterson said her in-laws, Don and Gail, were a “lost cause” in December 2022.

Mandy says it was a “private conversation” and an “emotional release”.

The prosecution’s theory about these messages “does not grapple with the nature of human behaviour,” Mandy says.

“It’s completely lacking nuance,” he says.

Mandy says the prosecution is asking the jury to “rely on three days of upset by Erin” and ignore her years-long relationship with Simon and his parents.

He says some of Patterson’s messages are “responsive” to questions by other group members who asked for updates.

Mandy says jurors will understand someone being polite to their grandmother and “swearing like a trooper with your mates”.

“Or maybe the other way round if you’ve got a cool grandmother and really nerdy mates,” he says.
 
  • #83
Mandy hasn't addressed how death cap mushroom traces were found on the dehydrator.

The same toxin was ingested by four guests who ate beef Wellingtons at Ms Patterson's home
I bet he hasn't...
 
  • #84
11.00am

False clarity, ambiguous situations and the ‘seductive trap’ of hindsight​

By​

To begin the third day of his closing statements, Erin Patterson’s defence lawyer, Colin Mandy, SC, cautioned the jury against the seductive trap of hindsight reasoning.

The prosecution, he told the jury, will determine his client’s fate, and on Monday asked them to imagine what they would do if the death cap poisoning was a “horrible accident”.

It was, Mandy continued, a “dangerous and seductive” exercise. He said that kind of hindsight reasoning shifted the burden of proof onto the defence, despite it being the prosecution’s job to prove what the accused did, and not to engage in hypotheticals on what others might do in that situation.

“What they should be really relying on should be the evidence that ... they say establishes the guilt of the offending,” Mandy said. “Hindsight reasoning can create a false clarity about ambiguous situations.”

Mandy said things seemed obvious in retrospect, adding that the pattern of someone’s behaviour and personality did not determine guilt.

“You just don’t know what you would do if you were confronted in that situation,” Mandy said.

Mandy said Patterson was not on trial for being a liar. He said the analysis by the prosecution undermined the presumption of innocence and may make guilt seem more probable.

“It corrupts the reasonable doubt standard,” Mandy said.

Mandy said that nothing that Patterson did after the lunch changed her intent when she served the meal.


11.15am

A question of what Erin Patterson knew - and when​

By​

As Erin Patterson’s lawyer continues his closing arguments, he slowly weaves in questions about what his client knew, and when.

This morning, Colin Mandy, SC, is questioning Patterson’s alleged knowledge of her in-laws, Don and Gail Patterson, being in a coma on the Tuesday morning after the fateful lunch.

“How was Erin Patterson ever going to find out that Don and Gail were in a coma on that Tuesday morning? The doctors weren’t telling her, we know that. That’d be breaching doctor confidentiality if they did. [Leongatha Dr Veronica] Foote told you about that.”

As with health professionals, Mandy continued, family members were also limiting medical updates. “So, how was Erin going to find that out?”

Mandy said one way she could have found out was to ask someone how they are, but the prosecution’s case was that she never asked that.

“In our submission, there isn’t evidence in this trial that Don and Gail were in comas at that time. Notwithstanding all of that, the impression that’s being painted to you is that Erin Patterson is wrong or lying ... and that’s incorrect,” Mandy said.

Tanya Patterson provided evidence that she recalled Patterson telling her she knew they were in a coma when she visited her in hospital that Tuesday.

Mandy suggested that the possibility was that his client’s sister-in-law could have a mistaken recollection of that conversation.

11.29am

A portrait of affection: Enduring family love after separation​

By​

The Patterson family was anchored by deep affection - the kind of affection that can persist even through separation.

This is the picture Erin Patterson’s defence lawyer, Colin Mandy, SC, is painting in courtroom four in Morwell.

Patterson, on trial for the alleged murder of Don and Gail Patterson and Heather Wilkinson, was the kind of daughter-in-law who wanted to be close to her relatives, Mandy told the jury.

He reminded them of Patterson’s estranged husband’s evidence that in 2012, the family decided to move back from Perth because Patterson wanted to be closer to her in-laws.

“Simon Patterson gave a fair bit of evidence about that,” Mandy told the jury.

Mandy said that included Simon agreeing during his evidence that Don and Gail loved Patterson, and Patterson loved Don and Gail, and telling the court Patterson was particularly close to Don.

Mandy said Patterson and Simon had a respectful relationship and that even when they separated, there were no lawyers involved and assets were split down the middle.

“Consider that for a moment. Pause and think about that. In seven years since the official separation, dealing with two children in a respectful way with each other, and if there were the occasional disagreement ... they were resolved really smoothly and respectfully and that’s a significant thing for people who are separated,” Mandy said.

“It says a lot about the relationship.″⁣

11.42am

How a lockdown hobby helped unlock a passion for mushrooms​

By​

Erin Patterson’s interest in wild mushrooms started as a hobby that blossomed during the quietude of the COVID-19 lockdown.

Patterson’s defence lawyer, Colin Mandy, SC, told a jury in Morwell that foraging was a common hobby in Europe that had become more popular during the pandemic.

Photos recovered from an old SD card found by the police at Patterson’s home demonstrated “categorically” and “without question” that the mother of two was interested in wild mushrooms at that time.

One of the images shows Patterson’s daughter on a scooter alongside her brother during a walk with their mother in 2020.

“This is evidence and confirmation that Erin Patterson had an interest in mushrooms at the same time [as mycologist Dr] Tom May says that interest in mushrooms was [becoming] popular. [Her children] were there with her that day,” Mandy said.

Mandy said Patterson’s son had provided evidence that he remembered going for walks with his mother and looking at mushrooms in the botanic gardens in Korumburra.

“We say these photos demonstrate to you that when people are on walks like that, their kids often go and do their own thing,” Mandy said.

He said it was possible the kids did not notice or remember Patterson picking the mushrooms at the time, and that as years rolled on, and the children were back at school, she might have gone on a walk by herself and picked wild mushrooms.

“Erin loved mushrooms. Not only the wild mushrooms. Also eating them. There’s evidence of that. It’s not made up. She told people that,” Mandy said.

He reminded the jury that Patterson’s online friend Jenny Hay had told the court the 50-year-old had shared her love for mushrooms with the group. He said Patterson had tried field and horse mushrooms she had found.

“They were OK to eat. Tasted better. More flavourful,” Mandy said.

Mandy said he was not suggesting that Patterson was “she was out in the forest each day scrambling around looking for mushrooms,” adding that it happened a few times each season.

He said death cap mushrooms were notorious for their toxicity, and so anyone picking wild mushrooms would likely come to hear about them at some stage. He then noted Patterson had been interested to know if they grew in South Gippsland.

“So, on the 28th May 2022, there is little doubt that it was Erin Patterson looking up that very question on the Cooler Master computer,” Mandy said. “There is no argument from us that you should find that it was someone else.”

12.03pm

Death caps and the comfort of absence​

By​

The jury that will decide the fate of Erin Patterson is being offered an alternative interpretation of her online activities, particularly her brief foray into the world of iNaturalist.

Colin Mandy, SC, painted a picture of an occasional forager checking to see if deadly death cap mushrooms were present in her local area, a search on May 28, 2022, that would have, at the time, yielded comforting news: no confirmed sightings.

“There’s a number of possibilities open on this evidence. Including the possibility that Erin was not previously familiar with iNaturalist,” Mandy said.

He said the reason for that interaction was to make sure that death cap mushrooms did not grow in South Gippsland and reminded the jury of Dr Tom May’s evidence that there were no sightings of death caps in Gippsland at that time.

“What would have stayed with her was the knowledge that there were no death cap mushrooms in Gippsland as a result of a search that she did,” Mandy said.

He said that for an occasional forager that had become aware of death cap mushrooms, “you would think that would be comforting information”.

Mandy said a user might have wondered what they looked like, and gone to an observation page about death caps in Moorabbin. He said this interaction was out of curiosity, just minutes before ordering dinner.

“This was not a person carefully studying this information. Doing research about it. This was not a deep and abiding interest in this subject matter. It was a passing attention,” Mandy said.

Mandy said thousands of varieties of mushrooms grow in Victoria and not all of them have been identified and not all have been the subjects of a post. He said new varieties are identified all the time.

“In terms of death cap mushrooms in South Gippsland, they have only been observed twice ever as I stand here right now. Once by Christine McKenzie and one by Tom May as far as iNaturalist is concerned,” Mandy said.

He said those two people were very familiar with death cap mushrooms.

“You might think remarkably, extraordinarily, Erin Patterson observed and acted on the only sightings of death cap mushrooms ever in South Gippsland, that’s [the Crown’s] case,” Mandy said.

“Like she was sitting there waiting for them ... Refresh. Still not there. Refresh. Still not there.“

Mandy said there was not one scrap of evidence that Patterson saw those posts. He questioned how familiar Patterson may have been with iNaturalist when she had spent only a few minutes on the site 14 months before the lunch.

“The simpler explanation, as it’s often the case, is the more likely one,” Mandy said.

12.14pm

‘A little spat’ not cold blood: Defence talk about Gail’s 70th birthday party​

By​

Colin Mandy, SC, is returning to the portrait of the enduring family love the Patterson family shared even after the separation of Erin and Simon Patterson.

In 2022, his client shared a “good and strong” relationship with her estranged husband and a “loving relationship” with her in-laws, Don and Gail Patterson.

Sometimes that enduring love was tested, he said, and in October that year, there was a misunderstanding about Gail Patterson’s 70th birthday party. Nonetheless, he told the court that the misunderstanding was resolved, and “that’s important”.

Mandy said that following a heated conversation with Simon about the 70th birthday, his client had made the first move to apologise for the way it unfolded.

He described the argument as “a little spat” over one day.

“Totally inconsistent with the way a cold-blooded calculating person would behave. She is the one going in and saying sorry. He is responding, yeah, I know, me too,” Mandy said.

Mandy said Don Patterson had contacted his client to tell her it was an oversight, and she was not being isolated.

She went to the party “all resolved”, he said.

 
  • #85
Exactly. She had recently taken the kids out of their private religious school and moved them further away to Phillips Island. I think she was planning on distancing herself and her kids from the meddling in-laws.

Erin herself said that her son didn't spend weekends with his father much anymore and their relationship was strained.

I think she wanted to move on.
That's why it's hard to understand why she did what she did, not that there would be any reason for her to have done it. She was moving to Phillip Island, her kids weren't going to see as much of Simon and his family. She could have made a brand new life for herself and now she's totally ruined her life and the life of her children...
 
  • #86
I think it does matter if she’s a liar. She’s been caught in quite a few.
How do you see that it matters to the actual murders? She has admitted to lying. But she has never lied about intentions to kill. I'm just trying to understand the law.
 
  • #87
I am probably one of the few who don't find this 'death wall' troublesome. I can imagine during covid her kids were bored at home and going stir crazy, and she was preparing that house for sale at the time, and having the house painted, so she let them draw on the wall. I don't think it's a big deal, IMO.

But why would kids want to do this? Do we know if the kids did this?

And on a wall in your house

I think it's troublesome, angry. And I want to know why this happened

Especially with their grandparents dying
 
  • #88
11.00am

False clarity, ambiguous situations and the ‘seductive trap’ of hindsight​

By​

To begin the third day of his closing statements, Erin Patterson’s defence lawyer, Colin Mandy, SC, cautioned the jury against the seductive trap of hindsight reasoning.

The prosecution, he told the jury, will determine his client’s fate, and on Monday asked them to imagine what they would do if the death cap poisoning was a “horrible accident”.

It was, Mandy continued, a “dangerous and seductive” exercise. He said that kind of hindsight reasoning shifted the burden of proof onto the defence, despite it being the prosecution’s job to prove what the accused did, and not to engage in hypotheticals on what others might do in that situation.

“What they should be really relying on should be the evidence that ... they say establishes the guilt of the offending,” Mandy said. “Hindsight reasoning can create a false clarity about ambiguous situations.”

Mandy said things seemed obvious in retrospect, adding that the pattern of someone’s behaviour and personality did not determine guilt.

“You just don’t know what you would do if you were confronted in that situation,” Mandy said.

Mandy said Patterson was not on trial for being a liar. He said the analysis by the prosecution undermined the presumption of innocence and may make guilt seem more probable.

“It corrupts the reasonable doubt standard,” Mandy said.

Mandy said that nothing that Patterson did after the lunch changed her intent when she served the meal.


11.15am

A question of what Erin Patterson knew - and when​

By​

As Erin Patterson’s lawyer continues his closing arguments, he slowly weaves in questions about what his client knew, and when.

This morning, Colin Mandy, SC, is questioning Patterson’s alleged knowledge of her in-laws, Don and Gail Patterson, being in a coma on the Tuesday morning after the fateful lunch.

“How was Erin Patterson ever going to find out that Don and Gail were in a coma on that Tuesday morning? The doctors weren’t telling her, we know that. That’d be breaching doctor confidentiality if they did. [Leongatha Dr Veronica] Foote told you about that.”

As with health professionals, Mandy continued, family members were also limiting medical updates. “So, how was Erin going to find that out?”

Mandy said one way she could have found out was to ask someone how they are, but the prosecution’s case was that she never asked that.

“In our submission, there isn’t evidence in this trial that Don and Gail were in comas at that time. Notwithstanding all of that, the impression that’s being painted to you is that Erin Patterson is wrong or lying ... and that’s incorrect,” Mandy said.

Tanya Patterson provided evidence that she recalled Patterson telling her she knew they were in a coma when she visited her in hospital that Tuesday.

Mandy suggested that the possibility was that his client’s sister-in-law could have a mistaken recollection of that conversation.

11.29am

A portrait of affection: Enduring family love after separation​

By​

The Patterson family was anchored by deep affection - the kind of affection that can persist even through separation.

This is the picture Erin Patterson’s defence lawyer, Colin Mandy, SC, is painting in courtroom four in Morwell.

Patterson, on trial for the alleged murder of Don and Gail Patterson and Heather Wilkinson, was the kind of daughter-in-law who wanted to be close to her relatives, Mandy told the jury.

He reminded them of Patterson’s estranged husband’s evidence that in 2012, the family decided to move back from Perth because Patterson wanted to be closer to her in-laws.

“Simon Patterson gave a fair bit of evidence about that,” Mandy told the jury.

Mandy said that included Simon agreeing during his evidence that Don and Gail loved Patterson, and Patterson loved Don and Gail, and telling the court Patterson was particularly close to Don.

Mandy said Patterson and Simon had a respectful relationship and that even when they separated, there were no lawyers involved and assets were split down the middle.

“Consider that for a moment. Pause and think about that. In seven years since the official separation, dealing with two children in a respectful way with each other, and if there were the occasional disagreement ... they were resolved really smoothly and respectfully and that’s a significant thing for people who are separated,” Mandy said.

“It says a lot about the relationship.″⁣

11.42am

How a lockdown hobby helped unlock a passion for mushrooms​

By​

Erin Patterson’s interest in wild mushrooms started as a hobby that blossomed during the quietude of the COVID-19 lockdown.

Patterson’s defence lawyer, Colin Mandy, SC, told a jury in Morwell that foraging was a common hobby in Europe that had become more popular during the pandemic.

Photos recovered from an old SD card found by the police at Patterson’s home demonstrated “categorically” and “without question” that the mother of two was interested in wild mushrooms at that time.

One of the images shows Patterson’s daughter on a scooter alongside her brother during a walk with their mother in 2020.

“This is evidence and confirmation that Erin Patterson had an interest in mushrooms at the same time [as mycologist Dr] Tom May says that interest in mushrooms was [becoming] popular. [Her children] were there with her that day,” Mandy said.

Mandy said Patterson’s son had provided evidence that he remembered going for walks with his mother and looking at mushrooms in the botanic gardens in Korumburra.

“We say these photos demonstrate to you that when people are on walks like that, their kids often go and do their own thing,” Mandy said.

He said it was possible the kids did not notice or remember Patterson picking the mushrooms at the time, and that as years rolled on, and the children were back at school, she might have gone on a walk by herself and picked wild mushrooms.

“Erin loved mushrooms. Not only the wild mushrooms. Also eating them. There’s evidence of that. It’s not made up. She told people that,” Mandy said.

He reminded the jury that Patterson’s online friend Jenny Hay had told the court the 50-year-old had shared her love for mushrooms with the group. He said Patterson had tried field and horse mushrooms she had found.

“They were OK to eat. Tasted better. More flavourful,” Mandy said.

Mandy said he was not suggesting that Patterson was “she was out in the forest each day scrambling around looking for mushrooms,” adding that it happened a few times each season.

He said death cap mushrooms were notorious for their toxicity, and so anyone picking wild mushrooms would likely come to hear about them at some stage. He then noted Patterson had been interested to know if they grew in South Gippsland.

“So, on the 28th May 2022, there is little doubt that it was Erin Patterson looking up that very question on the Cooler Master computer,” Mandy said. “There is no argument from us that you should find that it was someone else.”

12.03pm

Death caps and the comfort of absence​

By​

The jury that will decide the fate of Erin Patterson is being offered an alternative interpretation of her online activities, particularly her brief foray into the world of iNaturalist.

Colin Mandy, SC, painted a picture of an occasional forager checking to see if deadly death cap mushrooms were present in her local area, a search on May 28, 2022, that would have, at the time, yielded comforting news: no confirmed sightings.

“There’s a number of possibilities open on this evidence. Including the possibility that Erin was not previously familiar with iNaturalist,” Mandy said.

He said the reason for that interaction was to make sure that death cap mushrooms did not grow in South Gippsland and reminded the jury of Dr Tom May’s evidence that there were no sightings of death caps in Gippsland at that time.

“What would have stayed with her was the knowledge that there were no death cap mushrooms in Gippsland as a result of a search that she did,” Mandy said.

He said that for an occasional forager that had become aware of death cap mushrooms, “you would think that would be comforting information”.

Mandy said a user might have wondered what they looked like, and gone to an observation page about death caps in Moorabbin. He said this interaction was out of curiosity, just minutes before ordering dinner.

“This was not a person carefully studying this information. Doing research about it. This was not a deep and abiding interest in this subject matter. It was a passing attention,” Mandy said.

Mandy said thousands of varieties of mushrooms grow in Victoria and not all of them have been identified and not all have been the subjects of a post. He said new varieties are identified all the time.

“In terms of death cap mushrooms in South Gippsland, they have only been observed twice ever as I stand here right now. Once by Christine McKenzie and one by Tom May as far as iNaturalist is concerned,” Mandy said.

He said those two people were very familiar with death cap mushrooms.

“You might think remarkably, extraordinarily, Erin Patterson observed and acted on the only sightings of death cap mushrooms ever in South Gippsland, that’s [the Crown’s] case,” Mandy said.

“Like she was sitting there waiting for them ... Refresh. Still not there. Refresh. Still not there.“

Mandy said there was not one scrap of evidence that Patterson saw those posts. He questioned how familiar Patterson may have been with iNaturalist when she had spent only a few minutes on the site 14 months before the lunch.

“The simpler explanation, as it’s often the case, is the more likely one,” Mandy said.

12.14pm

‘A little spat’ not cold blood: Defence talk about Gail’s 70th birthday party​

By​

Colin Mandy, SC, is returning to the portrait of the enduring family love the Patterson family shared even after the separation of Erin and Simon Patterson.

In 2022, his client shared a “good and strong” relationship with her estranged husband and a “loving relationship” with her in-laws, Don and Gail Patterson.

Sometimes that enduring love was tested, he said, and in October that year, there was a misunderstanding about Gail Patterson’s 70th birthday party. Nonetheless, he told the court that the misunderstanding was resolved, and “that’s important”.

Mandy said that following a heated conversation with Simon about the 70th birthday, his client had made the first move to apologise for the way it unfolded.

He described the argument as “a little spat” over one day.

“Totally inconsistent with the way a cold-blooded calculating person would behave. She is the one going in and saying sorry. He is responding, yeah, I know, me too,” Mandy said.

Mandy said Don Patterson had contacted his client to tell her it was an oversight, and she was not being isolated.

She went to the party “all resolved”, he said.

He said death cap mushrooms were notorious for their toxicity, and so anyone picking wild mushrooms would likely come to hear about them at some stage. He then noted Patterson had been interested to know if they grew in South Gippsland.

Cough!
 
  • #89
3m ago12.11 AEST
Mandy says there were 600 pages of messages from a Facebook group chat Patterson was in. But he says the prosecution only tendered six pages in the trial.

The court previously was shown messages from the group where Patterson said her in-laws, Don and Gail, were a “lost cause” in December 2022.

Mandy says it was a “private conversation” and an “emotional release”.

The prosecution’s theory about these messages “does not grapple with the nature of human behaviour,” Mandy says.

“It’s completely lacking nuance,” he says.

Mandy says the prosecution is asking the jury to “rely on three days of upset by Erin” and ignore her years-long relationship with Simon and his parents.

He says some of Patterson’s messages are “responsive” to questions by other group members who asked for updates.

Mandy says jurors will understand someone being polite to their grandmother and “swearing like a trooper with your mates”.

“Or maybe the other way round if you’ve got a cool grandmother and really nerdy mates,” he says.

This is a sneaky argument, IMO. The majority of the chats would have been ruled inadmissible due to relevance and or other reasons. I am sure Mr Mandy himself objected to a lot of their inclusions. 😒
 
  • #90
But why would kids want to do this? Do we know if the kids did this?

And on a wall in your house

I think it's troublesome, angry. And I want to know why this happened

Especially with their grandparents dying
I think it was totally weird and very disturbing...
 
  • #91
I think Mandy is trying to drag this on until Friday, expect more breaks

Compared to Dr Rogers ' cross-examination details
 
  • #92
But why would kids want to do this? Do we know if the kids did this?

And on a wall in your house

I think it's troublesome, angry. And I want to know why this happened

Especially with their grandparents dying

It looks like kid drawing to me (mostly the youngest, I would say). Spelling errors, Minecraft themes, etc.

Why do kids ever want to draw on walls? Like I said, I know she was getting that house ready for sale at the time, and had a painter come in to repaint the walls - the person who sold this image to the media. IMO

Either way, I find it really disturbing that this was in the media - the kids shouldn't be involved in this, they've been through enough IMO.
 
  • #93
6m ago03.18 BST
Colin Mandy SC says the whole world is now scrutinising these messages which his client has expressed shame over.

We suggest these messages are a distraction from the real evidence in the case, the evidence that is relevant to these charges.
Mandy says the prosecution is not alleging a motive, yet has dedicated a lot of time in the trial to these Facebook messages.

“Because it was such a polite, kind and good relationship that these messages stand out,” he says.

“It’s just an attempt … to undermine the evidence that Erin had a loving and supporting relationship with Don and Gail.”
 
  • #94
But why would kids want to do this? Do we know if the kids did this?

And on a wall in your house

I think it's troublesome, angry. And I want to know why this happened

Especially with their grandparents dying

It's not references to "Lord of the Rings"? I mentioned this in the last thread.
 
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  • #95

Defence references Gail Patterson's 70th birthday party​

The defence moves onto the latter part of 2022, reiterating the "good and loving relationship" Erin Patterson had with her in-laws.

Mr Mandy raises the "misunderstanding" that arose around Gail Patterson's 70th birthday party.

He says his client felt hurt when she believed she was left off the invite list.

Mr Mandy then reads Erin's apology to Simon to the jury, noting she is making the first move to apologise.

He tells the court that everything was resolved peacefully with no further conflict.

"One day, little spat, Erin's feeling hurt and left out, it's a complete misunderstanding ... she's got this wrong end of the stick and she's apologising. Totally inconsistent with the way a cold-blooded, calculating person would behave."
IMO, if you have to explain how Erin was hurt by not being invited to a birthday party, you are reaching. I thought Mandy said not to use emotions? This is not helping.
 
  • #96
What the hell are these arguments
Love Love Love ....Erin Loved her in-laws, she Loved Simon , in spite of their separation.
Erin Loved mushrooms. She loved picking them on her walks. She Loved her children.She loved hiding powdered mushrooms in their food. She Loved everyone and her life was in a good place. She Loved to lie but that is irrelevant. She loved to panic but again, irrelevant.

That is the gist of the defense.
 
  • #97
3m ago

We're back from break​


By Judd Boaz​

The jury is led back into courtroom 4 in Morwell, and Mr Mandy continues with his closing arguments.

He picks up the chronology at the end of 2022, stating that despite the disagreements between Erin and Simon Patterson, there was "no venom" in their relationship.
 
  • #98
I think it was totally weird and very disturbing...

I do as well. I would be concerned if my kids did this, there is anger, hate

But did the kids do this? What kids would be allowed to write and draw disturbing images on the family wall in the house?
 
  • #99
12:12

Defence again attacks lack of motive​

Mr Mandy said the prosecution had been selective in the messages they produced for the jury and failed to provide them in context.
He said people often showed a different side to themselves to different people.
Mr Mandy also addressed the eye rolling emojis in some of those messages.
The defence barrister suggested Patterson likely thought prayer wasn't going to sort out her issues with Simon, as suggested by Don.
'In the heat of the moment Erin might not have thought prayer [would fix the issue] or be pragmatic enough…,' Mr Mandy said.
Mr Mandy also said Patterson may have regretted sending those messages to her online friends.
'Obviously, benefit of hindsight, she's ashamed… she might've regretted [the messages] two seconds after sending them,' Mr Mandy said.
Mr Mandy said the messages were being used by the prosecution to undermine Patterson's 'loving relationship' with Don and Gail and he again attacked the Crown's decision to offer the jury no motive for the alleged crimes.

 
  • #100
It looks like kid drawing to me (mostly the youngest, I would say). Spelling errors, Minecraft themes, etc.

Why do kids ever want to draw on walls? Like I said, I know she was getting that house ready for sale at the time, and had a painter come in to repaint the walls - the person who sold this image to the media. IMO

Either way, I find it really disturbing that this was in the media - the kids shouldn't be involved in this, they've been through enough IMO.

I agree, but there is no confirmation that the kids did this?
 
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