VERDICT WATCH Australia - 3 dead after eating wild mushrooms, Leongatha, Victoria, Aug 2023 #16 *Arrest*

[Scooby-Doo]

Probability wise how likely would it be for a verdict to be decided today?

You never know.

The poor reporters, as well, hanging around their vehicles.

They have their running shoes on, ready for the sprint in

The coffee shops there would be doing a roaring trade

 

[Deleted member 363451]

Mushroom jury’s out Did Erin Patterson have a motive to murder?​

 

[BreakingNews]

I think they should use the HUNG principle. Each jury member writes on a piece of paper one of the following:

H, Happy to go along with others (unlikely, but I bet it has happened)
U, Undecided
N, Not Guilty
G, Guilty

Obviously if they are all N or G, they just go through the motions and probably announce the verdict later today.

Combinations of HUG are good, so they have a group HUG and proceed to all eventually get to G. Verdict maybe late today or early tomorrow.

Clashes of N and G are bad, so a collective UGH would be uttered. If one is holding out, a metaphoric GUN is held to their head, until they hopefully come round. Verdict late in the week.

If they can't all eventually agree, a general NUH is arrived at, and the trial is declared HUNG. Unsure how long the judge would give them before this is declared.

For what it is worth, when I was on the jury in a murder trial, we took about 6 hours to go through what the judge told us to consider, before we even took a vote. Due diligence. After that we then worked the issues not agreed upon. Was very orderly. Maybe because none of us wanted to get it wrong, nor cause an appeal. BTW, we said guilty. He received the maximum which was 13 years in those days. But he actually served 27 years because parole board wasn't convinced he was no longer a threat to society.. He got out then the next day we all went into lockdown due to covid. So his freedom was short-lived.

 

[JBowie]

Probability wise how likely would it be for a verdict to be decided today?

I hope I'm wrong but I have a feeling that this will be a long and drawn out process and, frankly, after the judge's many hours (and pages) of comments, I would not be surprised if that cannot reach a unanimous verdict.

 

[Susjay]

Do super religious people forgive others or do they believe that only god can forgive sins?

Christians are likely to be as unique as their fingerprints when it comes to their own beliefs about forgiveness and many things. Talk to many Christians, even from the same denomination, and their beliefs on all issues won’t necessarily be the same. Everyone tends to have their own unique slant on things regardless of stated faith or lack of, I've found.

 

[Hercule Holmes]

For what it is worth, when I was on the jury in a murder trial, we took about 6 hours to go through what the judge told us to consider, before we even took a vote. Due diligence. After that we then worked the issues not agreed upon. Was very orderly. Maybe because none of us wanted to get it wrong, nor cause an appeal. BTW, we said guilty. He received the maximum which was 13 years in those days. But he actually served 27 years because parole board wasn't convinced he was no longer a threat to society.. He got out then the next day we all went into lockdown due to covid. So his freedom was short-lived.

As a matter of interest, how did you appoint the foreperson?

We ended up with someone who we really shouldn't have, just because they were the oldest.

 

[dothetime]

I've been wondering if the religious faith of Simon and other family members would be forgiving of EP? I doubt I would be, but know that deeply religious people sometimes forgive, rather than hold any long term hostilities towards others.
Just a discussion point.

Forgiveness would most likely be their goal, but it is usually a long and difficult process.

 

[dothetime]

To kill time, there is a good film about a jury on SBS on demand:

THE JURY -DEATH ON THE STAIRCASE

It involves a 'real' jury on a reconstructed historic case. It is fascinating and educational to watch!

 

[JBowie]

To kill time, there is a good film about a jury on SBS on demand:

THE JURY -DEATH ON THE STAIRCASE

It involves a 'real' jury on a reconstructed historic case. It is fascinating and educational to watch!

And there's the classic 1957 movie "Twelve Angry Men" written by Reginald Rose following his experience serving as a juror on a manslaughter case in NY.

 

[TootsieFootsie]

4.15pm here. The court time that the jury is said to finish up each day.
Looks like no verdict today, unless it's very last minute.

 

[MrJ]

Maybe a verdict tomorrow.

 

[Sarahlou]

How many hours have they been deliberating for so far?

 

[potr]

And there's the classic 1957 movie "Twelve Angry Men" written by Reginald Rose following his experience serving as a juror on a manslaughter case in NY.

there is also a very sweet reality show from america called jury duty - it really goes into the behind the scenes machinations of a sequestered jury - thoroughly enjoyable

 

[JBowie]

4.15pm here. The court time that the jury is said to finish up each day.
Looks like no verdict today, unless it's very last minute.

In Australia, jury deliberation times can vary significantly. Generally, most jury trials are completed within a few days to a week. Some trials, particularly those involving complex cases or numerous witnesses, may extend to several weeks. However, some deliberations can be very short, while others can last just under five days.

In NSW and Queensland, there's an eight-hour minimum deliberation period before a majority verdict can be considered.

In Victoria, there is no minimum time that a jury must deliberate before reaching a verdict. Juries can take as long as they need to, and there is no set limit on how long they can deliberate. -- Google AI

 

[Smelly Squirrel]

This day's done.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1939936414956691730

 

[TootsieFootsie]

The judge said the jury will be keeping court hours and will finish each day at 4.15pm

 

[TootsieFootsie]

How many hours have they been deliberating for so far?

This is the second day, but the first full day.

 

[MrJ]

I think we'll see a verdict either tomorrow or the end of the week. Those poor jurors are probably tired from all the evidence of EP's trial; I know I would be.

 

[JBowie]

I think we'll see a verdict either tomorrow or the end of the week. Those poor jurors are probably tired from all the evidence of EP's trial; I know I would be.

All you need is one determined holdout on the panel for these things to drag on and on.

 

[Kemug]

I think they should use the HUNG principle. Each jury member writes on a piece of paper one of the following:

H, Happy to go along with others (unlikely, but I bet it has happened)
U, Undecided
N, Not Guilty
G, Guilty

Obviously if they are all N or G, they just go through the motions and probably announce the verdict later today.

Combinations of HUG are good, so they have a group HUG and proceed to all eventually get to G. Verdict maybe late today or early tomorrow.

Clashes of N and G are bad, so a collective UGH would be uttered. If one is holding out, a metaphoric GUN is held to their head, until they hopefully come round. Verdict late in the week.

If they can't all eventually agree, a general NUH is arrived at, and the trial is declared HUNG. Unsure how long the judge would give them before this is declared.

Love it!