VERDICT WATCH Australia - 3 dead after eating wild mushrooms, Leongatha, Victoria, Aug 2023 #16 *Arrest*

[Deleted member 363451]

I'm in no way defending her (because i don't think this is what happened), but you can be wealthy and not believe in wasting food. Especially if an entire BW was untouched and would be wasted .

It didn't happen.

 

[musicaljoke]

I don't believe for one moment that Erin gave her kids leftover meat that had been anywhere near the Death Caps.

I believe that she gave them a separate serve of meat that she didn't use in the Beef Wellingtons.

Indeed. That is what her kids said and I believe them too.

 

[Monstradamus]

I wonder if she anticipated that the guilt-tripping had been successful, and his was the meal they found in the trash. If I recall correctly, it was found to be poisoned (what they found in the trash), and she said it was her leftovers, but that dish takes a lot of advance prep, so she surely would have to have made one for him, if anticipating his attendance. Where's that one, if not tossed out? Perhaps this allegation was already addressed; I'll admit it's a lot of detail, and I may have missed portions.

I believe it was SP's meal, and half of hers that she threw out, imo.

 

[Monstradamus]

St Erin of Leongatha
Or
St Erin of the Asian Grocery

St Erin of lies

 

[Woolly]

And the June meal was shepherd's pie, so she could easily have put mushrooms in that too.

Ah, you’re right about it being shepherd’s pie! I was just starting to wonder if maybe it had been carbonara…

I feel like a lot of Erin’s alleged lies contain shades of the truth, so when she said she opened the package of Asian mushrooms to use them in her carbonara but found them to be too smelly, it made me wonder if she had planned to use them earlier but decided against it. And maybe she had, just in a shepherd’s pie…

 

[Scuffy35]

Indeed. That is what her kids said and I believe them too.

I don't recall that the kids said something to the effect of "that she gave them a separate serve of meat that she didn't use in the Beef Wellingtons".

If I recall correctly the kids testified that was meat left over from the lunch because it is what Erin had told them.

 

[Monstradamus]

I don't recall that the kids said something to the effect of "that she gave them a separate serve of meat that she didn't use in the Beef Wellingtons".

If I recall correctly the kids testified that was meat left over from the lunch because it is what Erin had told them.

I think EP omitted the word "ingredients" when she said they were having leftovers. Leftover ingredients. Not leftovers. A couple of previously uncooked eye fillets.
MOO

 

[Deleted member 363451]

I don't recall that the kids said something to the effect of "that she gave them a separate serve of meat that she didn't use in the Beef Wellingtons".

If I recall correctly the kids testified that was meat left over from the lunch because it is what Erin had told them.

The kids only know what Erin chose to tell them. It would have been left over meat that she had bought. She bought more meat and more mushrooms than she needed for the lunch.

 

[Scuffy35]

I think EP omitted the word "ingredients" when she said they were having leftovers. Leftover ingredients. Not leftovers. A couple of previously uncooked eye fillets.
MOO

How do you mean "ingredients" then? I think it could only mean, but an unusual way to say it, that the ingredients were the unused steaks she had in the freezer. But she could not mean that as she described to several witness that she scaped the mushroom paste off the steaks that she feed to her children.

 

[Deleted member 363451]

How do you mean "ingredients" then? I think it could only mean, but an unusual way to say it, that the ingredients were the unused steaks she had in the freezer. But she could not mean that as she described to several witness that she scaped the mushroom paste off the steaks that she feed to her children.

Look, if Erin had have used any of the Beef Wellingtons that were left over, even if she scraped the meat, her kids would have got very sick in the very least. The fact that we are even having this discussion means that she should never be left alone with her kids again, if she does happen to get off.

 

[Scuffy35]

The kids only know what Erin chose to tell them. It would have been left over meat that she had bought. She bought more meat and more mushrooms than she needed for the lunch.

Yes, this is obvious to me what happened, but the prosecution needed to disprove Erin's story about scraping of the mushroom paste from the meat before feeding it to the children.

 

[Ellery84]

I think EP omitted the word "ingredients" when she said they were having leftovers. Leftover ingredients. Not leftovers. A couple of previously uncooked eye fillets.
MOO

Yes. And again it’s her semantics at play.

 

[Susjay]

to all above.


BBM
If Don Patterson had not eaten more than his share and been so ill that they called an ambulance the very next morning... who knows. I think she nearly got away with it.

Yes Don consumed more, yet it was the ladies who eventually succumbed first.

 

[Susjay]

It's just passed 10:15 here. I wonder if we will get a verdict today

Hope so. I’m intrigued about the reporting of a woman is who has been winking at the accused in the courtroom. Heard it mentioned on a podcast in first instance I believe. I wondered if it was the sister of accused but perhaps unlikely. I’ve searched transcripts of the podcast but can’t find it. Needle in a haystack with all of the podcasts and reporting. It was also reported in the Guardian. It was noticed by many in the courtroom apparently. Any ideas about identity of this woman?

 

[Susjay]

Ah, you’re right about it being shepherd’s pie! I was just starting to wonder if maybe it had been carbonara…

I feel like a lot of Erin’s alleged lies contain shades of the truth, so when she said she opened the package of Asian mushrooms to use them in her carbonara but found them to be too smelly, it made me wonder if she had planned to use them earlier but decided against it. And maybe she had, just in a shepherd’s pie…

Were the Asian mushrooms ever really a player?

 

[Two SCents]

How did she know it was the mushrooms before the hospital did?

She didn't. IMO

 

[LinasK]

How do you mean "ingredients" then? I think it could only mean, but an unusual way to say it, that the ingredients were the unused steaks she had in the freezer. But she could not mean that as she described to several witness that she scaped the mushroom paste off the steaks that she feed to her children.

And we know that Erin lies- for many reasons other than panic in the moment, so who's to say that she suddenly told her children the truth about the meal she served them? I do believe that her children believe that's what they were told. In other words, she told them a lie, served them non-poisoned different beef, and they reported exactly the lie she told them not knowing it was a lie they were repeating. In other words- she's the liar, not her children. Hope that's clear...

 

[LinasK]

Yes Don consumed more, yet it was the ladies who eventually succumbed first.

Because of how deadly the DC's were, therefore if Erin had only eaten half, or the children had ANY, they should have been as sick as the woman who only ate 1/2 and died.

 

[LinasK]

She didn't. IMO

Only if you believe it was an accident. I don't.

 

[Detechtive]

But this is an assumption that the judge asked the jury not to make. Do we really know that the toxins would permeate the meat beyond the outside thin layer? The experts did not say specifically that the toxins would permeate the meat. They did testify that there were toxins in the sample of meat, but that could have been just from the outside where the mushrooms had made contact.

"No matter how long you soak it, most marinades won’t penetrate more than the outside eighth of an inch." The truth about marinades: Most are a waste of your time

We do definitely know the meat would have been poisoned because amotixins are water soluble. It's science. The duxelle’s moisture and fat content allow the amatoxins to diffuse into the surface of the meat as it sits, especially if the mixture is warm or left to rest on the beef before baking.
As the beef Wellington bakes, the heat and steam cause juices to move between the layers of duxelle, meat, and pastry contaminating the entire dish.

Mushroom Poisoning - PMC

Poisonous mushrooms are eaten by mushroom hunters out of ignorance, after misidentification as edible mushrooms, or as a psychoactive drug. Mushroom poisoning commonly leads to consultation with a poison information center and to hospitalization. ...

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov