VERDICT WATCH Australia - 3 dead after eating wild mushrooms, Leongatha, Victoria, Aug 2023 #16 *Arrest*

[katydid23]

I haven't seen where Dr Webster said anything like this. Also he would not be the type of expert to reliable testimony about the way the toxins could diffuse into the meat. He probably used his common sense.

YES, and common sense tells us the meat would be unsafe.

When you cook mushrooms they 'leak' liquids.

But this is all moot anyway because she powdered those death caps, so...

The ABC live blog for his testimony is:

Court sees footage of Erin Patterson leaving hospital against medical advice — as it happened

A Supreme Court murder trial hears Erin Patterson was initially "reluctant" to have her children brought to hospital for medical checks after they allegedly ate leftovers from a lunch contaminated with death cap mushrooms. Look back on how the day's hearing unfolded in our blog.

www.abc.net.au

 

[Detechtive]

Her:
POA Price on Application? or a member of Black tarp crew who shielded her house from media?

Her Power of attorney - also best friend - also black tarp crew. IMO

 

[LordCyrus]

I don't think that "causing grievous bodily harm with intent" has been proven. Maybe the intention was to cause some short term illness and discomfort. The lesser offence of "recklessly causing grievous bodily harm" would then apply, but she hasn't been charged with this. Without establishing motive it is difficult in this case to prove intent. If Erin had anticipated death or serious injury she would have known to expect a police investigation and would have taken advance steps to dispose of crucial evidence such as phones and the dehydrator.

 

[musicaljoke]

So why did Erin lie about that and say she served them 'scraped off' leftovers?

It might not have been a lie. She might have given them leftovers from some BW that she had prepared in the same safe manner as the one she made for herself. We have only her word about how many she made and how she made them, and her word is trash.

 

[katydid23]

Juries should be able to use their common sense on this.

I mean at one time or another, I bet each and everyone one of us has tried scraping the seasonings or marinade off a piece of meat because it was too spicy, too salty, too sweet, or whatever.

And I think we'd all agree that the meat still retains the flavor of what we scraped off. You can still taste spice/salt/sweetness/etc. So if the particles carry the flavor linger, how can the toxin just get scraped away?

EXACTLY.

And we are told by Fungi expert that Death Caps infiltrate the blood stream and invade the Liver.

If they can do all that, why couldn't they infiltrate raw beef that they are sitting right on top of as they are cooking in an oven?

 

[Procrastinator]

So why did Erin lie about that and say she served them 'scraped off' leftovers?

IMOO EP lied at the hospital about "scraped off leftovers" because her plan was imploding.

From what I recall of EP's testimony while being questioned in court, there was no mention of "scraped off leftovers" because she now had all the evidence available. So then went down the track of saying that the leftovers she served weren't technically leftovers from the lunch. And i think @Jess D added that her EP's defence would have advised her not to mention it (the scraped leftovers). Because why, i gather perjury?

That's my interpretation and maybe "incorrect"?

 

[Scuffy35]

I think they assumed the Fungi Expert answered that question when he described how the Death Caps kill their victims. The poison leaks out during cooking and during digestion process in the body---the toxins permeate and infiltrate the blood stream and the liver.

One important think I have learnt in life is to never assume. The prosecution was very sloppy and should have asked specific questions to clarify that the toxin would permeate or diffuse into the meat, or they should have got an expert witness on toxins that could have.

It no point trying to make it look like there is no ambiguity that it would permeate (Even though most of us here would agree that it would), because the jury are deciding based on the evidence that they are provided and the judge told them not to speculate. The prosecution really stuffed up on this, as well as the vomiting testimony, which again, an expert witness for the prosecution could have refuted. I am really disappointed with the prosecution as I want to see justice done.

 

[Deleted member 363451]

IMOO EP lied at the hospital about "scraped off leftovers" because her plan was imploding.

From what I recall of EP's testimony while being questioned in court, there was no mention of "scraped off leftovers" because she now had all the evidence available. So then went down the track of saying that the leftovers she served weren't technically leftovers from the lunch. And i think @Jess D added that her EP's defence would have advised her not to mention it (the scraped leftovers). Because why, i gather perjury?

That's my interpretation and maybe "incorrect"?

I don't remember saying that about Erin's defence advising her not to mention the scraped off left overs. It might have been Jesse?

 

[katydid23]

It might not have been a lie. She might have given them leftovers from some BW that she had prepared in the same safe manner as the one she made for herself. We have only her word about how many she made and how she made them, and her word is trash.

Right, but my point is, she made a big deal, to anyone that would listen, about scraping off the meat to serve to her kids.

Why was it so important to tell several people about that?

My theory is that she wanted other people, besides just her, to eat that meal and not get sick. So 3 people did not get severely ill, but 4 did. That's much better than 4 in comas and just her that's fine.

Then she suddenly says the OPPOSITE and cutely replies " I said it was leftovers but never said from Saturday."

She is so manipulative and deceitful. IMO

 

[Deleted member 363451]

She didn't. IMO

I think she did...

 

[Procrastinator]

I don't remember saying that about Erin's defence advising her not to mention the scraped off left overs. It might have been Jesse?

"@Eloise ... I've said all along and still believe now, the smoking gun (to me) is the fact she fed the food to her children and was unconcerned for their health. This only makes sense if she knew that food was uncontaminated and she knew they'd be fine - because her placement of DC was deliberate and focused. Nothing else accounts for those actions/behaviours. JMO."

Agree! "Scraped the mushrooms off" was the story early on. Then on the last day of being questioned by Dr Rogers, EP makes no mention of it, instead it's word salad about whether the leftovers were actually lunch leftovers and no mention of scraping off mushrooms.

sorry if i've interpreted that differently.

Post in thread 'Australia - 3 dead after eating wild mushrooms, Leongatha, Victoria, Aug 2023 #14 *Arrest*'

Jun 17, 2025

Her defence would have advised her not to have mentioned it...

So as not to perjure herself?

• Procrastinator

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[Two SCents]

I think she did...

We have differing opinions.... that's ok

 

[Deleted member 363451]

And then she gets on the stand and claims she never ever told anyone that she wanted to discuss her medical issues. She claims that even her children were mistaken about that. EVERYONE was mistaken about that. Even though we saw the various text messages from her saying otherwise.

"Tell me lies, tell me sweet little lies".

 

[Deleted member 363451]

sorry if i've interpreted that differently.

Post in thread 'Australia - 3 dead after eating wild mushrooms, Leongatha, Victoria, Aug 2023 #14 *Arrest*'

Jun 17, 2025

Her defence would have advised her not to have mentioned it...

So as not to perjure herself?

• Procrastinator

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I take that back!

 

[LinasK]

I don't think that "causing grievous bodily harm with intent" has been proven. Maybe the intention was to cause some short term illness and discomfort. The lesser offence of "recklessly causing grievous bodily harm" would then apply, but she hasn't been charged with this. Without establishing motive it is difficult in this case to prove intent. If Erin had anticipated death or serious injury she would have known to expect a police investigation and would have taken advance steps to dispose of crucial evidence such as phones and the dehydrator.

Not necessarily. She thought she'd gotten away with the crime IMO. Motive isn't necessary, but I think it has been established. Erin hated her in-laws for not siding with her over their own son. Many criminals do blow-up their own lives just for the feeling they get from murder.

 

[LinasK]

It might not have been a lie. She might have given them leftovers from some BW that she had prepared in the same safe manner as the one she made for herself. We have only her word about how many she made and how she made them, and her word is trash.

We have receipts for how much she bought of which ingredients. The only other cooked portions were the poisoned one tossed in the trash bin, and the 1/2 portion of the unpoisoned one that she ate. There's no way that 1/2 portion was enough for a teenage boy AND a 9 year old girl.

 

[katydid23]

I don't think that "causing grievous bodily harm with intent" has been proven. Maybe the intention was to cause some short term illness and discomfort.

If you just want to cause 'discomfort' do you choose Death Caps----one of the most lethal toxins known to man?

The lesser offence of "recklessly causing grievous bodily harm" would then apply, but she hasn't been charged with this.

She knows that Death Caps are deadly. And those individual meals were quite lethal.

Without establishing motive it is difficult in this case to prove intent.

I think there are some obvious motives. Divorce and child custody are two of the biggest motives for family annihilation.

I think she wanted to move on without further annoying interference from her ex and his family.

If Erin had anticipated death or serious injury she would have known to expect a police investigation and would have taken advance steps to dispose of crucial evidence such as phones and the dehydrator.

I think she made the meals more toxic than she anticipated. I think she expected they would be modestly unwell for awhile. After 48 hours the Amintoxins would no longer be found by blood test.

I think she thought it would go the same way that Simon's previous gastric mystery illness would go----Coma, uncertain causes, but no problems for her in the nd.

 

[Scuffy35]

He did say that specifically. He refuted her claim that scraping off the meat means it was safe for her kids to eat. H said it was Life or Death situation.

Yes, if you cook beef together with Death Cap mushrooms, the amatoxins from the mushrooms
can infiltrate the beef and make it highly poisonous.
Here's why:

• Amatoxins are heat-stable: Amatoxins, the deadly toxins found in Death Cap mushrooms, are not destroyed by cooking, freezing, or drying.
• Toxins remain deadly: Even when cooked, the amatoxins in the Death Cap mushrooms remain present and can transfer to the food they are cooked with.
• Ingesting even a small amount is dangerous: It is estimated that as little as half a death cap mushroom contains enough toxin to kill an adult human.
• The beef will become contaminated: When cooked together, the amatoxins can leach from the mushrooms into the beef, making the beef itself dangerous to eat.

This does not seem to have come from court evidence though. The Jury are not allowed to do their own research like we can.

 

[Deleted member 363451]

If you just want to cause 'discomfort' do you choose Death Caps----one of the most lethal toxins known to man?


She knows that Death Caps are deadly. And those individual meals were quite lethal.


I think there are some obvious motives. Divorce and child custody are two of the biggest motives for family annihilation.

I think she wanted to move on without further annoying interference from her ex and his family.


I think she made the meals more toxic than she anticipated. I think she expected they would be modestly unwell for awhile. After 48 hours the Amintoxins would no longer be found by blood test.

I think she thought it would go the same way that Simon's previous gastric mystery illness would go----Coma, uncertain causes, but no problems for her in the nd.

I think the impending divorce and child custody and perhaps feeling more distant from Simon's family, could well have been her motivations. There is no doubt more that was going on in the background which has not been mentioned at court... I also think that the fact that Simon's kids would have inherited money from his will if he had have attended the lunch and Simon's siblings would have inherited from their parents, allowing them to pay Erin back the money she loaned them, could well have been a motivating factor as well.

I'm not convinced that she thought that the lunch guests would only get sick and not die. She weighed the Death Caps don't forget.

 

[Smelly Squirrel]

The idea that EP would never have killed the guests considering the subsequent scrutiny is easily belied by all the times it has been known to happen.

Exhibit A: Lori Daybell and two other adults killed her own children, buried them in one of their backyards, and then went about their lives as though it never happened and as though they would get away with it.

Killers make dumb decisions everyday, that's why they get caught. It's backwards to try to credit them with innocence for those dumb decisions.