Australia - 3 dead after eating wild mushrooms, Leongatha, Victoria, Aug 2023 #2

[Kemug]

I don't think I'd let my children go to the movies by themselves at that age.

No, it's more likely that they have some friends whose parent took them all.

 

[MsMarple]

Yea, but maybe the church feels otherwise.

I’m coming from ignorance here but is such a mediation to determine worthiness in a couple’s marriage a common ritual in the Baptist church?

 

[Kemug]

Pot Pie is actually a US phrase.

Other countries just say Pie

But there very well could have been separate Beef Wellington pies.

Likewise "pot luck" is not a phrase commonly used in Australia. In fact there may be many Australians who have never heard of it.

 

[Kemug]

Each chose their own plate of the meal cooked by EP according to EP. Seems EP sliced up the wellie and put it on plates - something like that (or others have speculated she could've made mini wellie pies -...), Someone did post earlier that perhaps the guest couples each brought a "plate" to the lunch (a contribution to the meal) which is a tradition/common practice for some in Australia. That hasn't been reported or stated by police but was simply speculated on the thread here. Moo

In my experience as an Australian, "bringing a plate" is not something which is done for a private meal, but in an official or semi-official setting, eg a meal within a church group, or a club of some sort. Although for a private meal someone may possibly offer to bring dessert, or something to accompany coffee after the meal. But to invite people to a private meal, and then tell them what to bring would be bad manners. As I should think it might be in any country.

 

[Kemug]

Further to the concept of "bringing a plate", I believe that has confused many a "new Australian" - who failed to understand that the plate should have food on it!

 

[MrJ]

In my experience as an Australian, "bringing a plate" is not something which is done for a private meal, but in an official or semi-official setting, eg a meal within a church group, or a club of some sort. Although for a private meal someone may possibly offer to bring dessert, or something to accompany coffee after the meal. But to invite people to a private meal, and then tell them what to bring would be bad manners. As I should think it might be in any country.

To add to this, I usually imagine 'bringing a plate' in a scenario like a party, where people can bring things to eat. It can also happen during holidays like Christmas, etc, where some can bring little nibbles. Having it at a private meal is pretty unusual, unless it's bringing a beverage (alcoholic or otherwise). All this to say that I don't really believe the others brought their own food to share during what is supposed to be a private meeting. The setting and context doesn't feel right. JMO

 

[Jules2021]

Well you can wipe it off I suppose and keep using it.

Very risky tho imo! Those things are so toxic.

 

[Kemug]

A tip means a rubbish dump in Australia. Where all the rubbish is taken to.

It could also mean a tip to a crime hotline.

A skip is a big rectangular bin

A wheelie bin is what houses or businesses use.

A wheelie bin or a skip are never referred to as a tip.



Oh and Australia is not a country where it's expected to give a tip for service.

And if you're going to dump, please please do it in private!

 

[jjenny]

Very risky tho imo! Those things are so toxic.

They are toxic if you eat them. Once removed from dehydrator, I presume dehydrator will be perfectly safe to be used again.

 

[bearbear]

What does death cap taste like?

The death cap mushroom has no distinctive odor or taste and resembles other nontoxic varieties

Deathcap Mushroom Season is here: Mushroom foragers should take extreme care – PUBLIC HEALTH INSIDER

Watch out, mushroom foragers. Fall rains bring blooms of Amanita phalloides, better known as the death cap mushroom. They are common in Western Washington, and were found recently on the University of Washington Seattle campus. The death cap mushroom has no distinctive odor or taste and...

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How much of a death cap will kill you?

Its biochemistry has been researched intensively for decades, and 30 grams (1.1 ounces), or half a cap, of this mushroom is estimated to be enough to kill a human.

Amanita phalloides - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Kemug]

What's actually on the wall -the drawings and almost little stories in a sort of comic book style - I find neither weird or scary. Jmo

What's scary is that they were apparently allowed to do it, without being made to immediately remove it or cover it up.

 

[LacieL]

Why would dehydrating this supposed fruit come up in the hospital? And why would she think she could loose custody of the children because of a dehydrator?

I imagine it would begin to with “I’m hungry” and be followed up soon after with “why don’t we have x to eat?”

The thing I find hard is individually a lot of the things she has said seem like reasonable explanations for suspicious behaviour/circumstances but put together there are too many suspicious things for them to all seem plausible together.

At the moment I agree with the custody motive. I don’t think anyone was trying to restart a romantic relationship but instead there was concern for the children’s wellbeing.

 

[Kemug]

An old Australian case of poisoning came to my mind.

It's one that I have never been quite sure about.

The wife spent almost a year in jail, but the husband who she was supposed to have tried to murder, stood by her and didn't believe any of it. They stayed together for the rest of their lives.

Here is a transcipted article about the case.

Emily Perry Reports: Emily Perry dies after life poisoned by cruel suspicion - 3 February 2012

Yes, I know plenty of people who firmly believe she was guilty.

 

[LadyL]

dbm
found it

 

[LadyL]

What I have learned over time studying psychopaths, sociopaths, narcissists and the crimes they commit is that they use people as mechanisms. A distorted form of cause and effect, or game theory, or computer code - if this then that.

They have no connection to or care about or sentiment for the human beings involved in their system. Zero empathy, no emotion.

So, let's just say that E is a sociopath. If E decided that she'd rather not get divorced just now, and killing all the people who were coming to her home to organise the divorce would thwart that process, then that's her simple solution. It makes total sense.

JMO MOO

and there's nothing behind her eyes IMO, even in the video where she is supposedly crying - she looks up and there is nothing there
dead, soulless, empty
sociopaths all have the same nothing eyes

 

[Shamrock1]

Duxelles: “Some classical cookbooks call for dehydrated mushrooms.”

Duxelles - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

 

[TootsieFootsie]

Likewise "pot luck" is not a phrase commonly used in Australia. In fact there may be many Australians who have never heard of it.

I think it's a phrase that's died out. It was commonly used at one time.

I think in Australia the phrase wasn't really related to food.

It was more where you didn't get to pick anything but was left with not much choice.

Like the family took pot luck on getting a parking spot near the beach.

Or Helen took pot luck that her hairdresser could fit her in.

I know it was used here in the "olden days.


There were TV game shows in Australia called Pot Luck, one in the 70s and one in the 80s

Pot Of Gold/Pot Luck – Nostalgia Central

nostalgiacentral.com

https://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/pot-luck

From what I've found the food one is often spelt as potluck and the australian version is "bringing a plate"


If you take pot luck, you decide to do something even though you do not know what you will get as a result.

If you haven't made an appointment, take pot luck and knock on the door.

 

[TootsieFootsie]

Bringing a plate has long been a thing in Australia and quite often in private homes.
Especially as something like a fun get together, or barbeque.

 

[jjleroche]

I too find it bizarre- for goodness sake EP is 48, not some teen bride. Unless the mediation was intended to help structure the children's visitations with the paternal grandparents I can’t fathom any reason for them to determine anything to do with the marriage.

Yes, it certainly is bizarre. I am wondering whether the "mediation" reason for the lunch is actually true.
I don't think that this reason has been officially confirmed by investigators. ICBW (Having previously lived in a small Australian country town for many years, I've seen how vague speculation can turn into definite "fact" very quickly.)

It may have been just a get-together for no particular reason, or it may have been a mediation. MOO

 

[jjleroche]

Bringing a plate has long been a thing in Australia and quite often in private homes.
Especially as something like a fun get together, or barbeque.

Yes - and less common, "kicking the door" - (eg "they went to the barbecue, but didn't kick the door!" (usually followed by gasps of horror) meaning - that they didn 't bring anything.

If you kicked the door, your hands were full with food/drink, so you couldn't close the door with your hand.

It's mostly been my experience when invited anywhere that, upon asking the host/hostess what they would like me to bring, they will respond "nothing - it's all sorted" (paraphrasing) I definitely wouldn't turn up with nothing though - there'd be some serious eye-brow-raising otherwise, and word would get around...