By lesser I guess you mean manslaughter. Perhaps, but again we need to know if the charges were dismissed with or without prejudice.
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By lesser I guess you mean manslaughter. Perhaps, but again we need to know if the charges were dismissed with or without prejudice.
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Oh, believe me, I'm not suggesting it was a good plan.
I don't think she expected them to look at the mushrooms or even consider Death Caps.
It would go down as general food poisoning, she'd be sick to (from a nontoxic source) and THAT would allay any suspicion she caused because she wouldn't poison herself.
IMO she was accustomed to convincing her husband to doubt his perception and trust hers.
I think she only thought she had to manipulate his perception. She did not antivipate an investigation, beyonf a surface glance.
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If so, then she would be displaying extreme ignorance of medical practice as it relates to victims of poisoning, especially when the victims tell the doctors what they had eaten recently. Mushrooms would (and did) set off huge alarms.
It would also suggest that she intended just to make everyone sick for whatever malevolent reason, in which case the subsequent deaths would have surprised/shocked her.
If Simon was previously poisoned, I don't think it was with death caps.
Everything I've read about them says that they attack the body in a very recognizable way...by causing liver and kidney failure. Those symptoms don't align with Simon's previous illnesses. The most serious of which required several operations to his small intestines. So in all likelihood this was a different poison which attacked the guts and the bowels.
Simon thought his earlier illness had stemmed from eating nightshade plants — an herb family which includes tomatoes, eggplants, potatoes and peppers, the source reportedly said. Unripened nightshade plants contain poisonous alkaloids which can be fatal. [bbm]
Man whose parents were killed after lunch with his ex ‘suspects’ she had tried to poison him
Simon Patterson had previously suffered a mystery gut illness last spring after eating food his ex-wife served, and was in an induced coma for 16 days, a report said.
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Probably A LOT of ignorance.
And good on the hospital for pressing -- but naturally, they weren't investigating a homicide, they were looking at an outbreak, the potential for other victims exposed to the same mislabeled product, as if.
And then there's be a recall.
Except Erin couldn't provide a clear answer. Which mushrooms, which store.
If she's responsible for these deaths by toxin, she didn't think it through. The cleverness of hiding poisonous mushrooms in nonpoisomous ones fell apart when they started asking where she got them from.
It might be a little easier to see what came apart if we remove the Beef Wellington fin the table. She picked it because it already contains mushrooms, which is ironic since that's the very reason minds went to mushroom toxicity. Anyway, had the dried mushroom powder been mixed into a dessert (wherein somehow it wasn't tasted), medical staff would not have immediately thought mushrooms or death cap, and only after the dessert was tested (if they even knew which food was the problem child), they would wonder how death caps got into the cupcakes. That she used a recipe which contains mushrooms was a good way to disguise it but also have the hospital staff the suggestion.
I truly don't think she thought they would investigate the source of the poisoning (for consumer safety, public safety or criminal charges). Mimick the symptoms, go by ambulance, get treated for nausea, upset stomach, dehydration, "pull through"...
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I agree as evidenced by her clumsy attempt to be rid of the dehydrator.
About Dehydrating Mushrooms in a Dehydrator
Most mushrooms dry beautifully, not only retaining but even gaining flavor in the process. When rehydrated in hot water, the texture is almost identical to that of fresh mushrooms. Dried mushrooms can be stored for at least a year.
Although mushrooms can be dried in the oven, you get the best results if you use a dehydrator following this simple method.
So, EP could have sourced and dried the death caps quite a while before they were used.
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Most mushrooms dry beautifully, not only retaining but even gaining flavor in the process. When rehydrated in hot water, the texture is almost identical to that of fresh mushrooms. Dried mushrooms can be stored for at least a year.
Although mushrooms can be dried in the oven, you get the best results if you use a dehydrator following this simple method.
So, EP could have sourced and dried the death caps quite a while before they were used.
Save Mushrooms for Months by Dehydrating Them
Mushrooms are easy to dry at home with a dehydrator. Follow these steps to dry them to preserve their flavor for recipes year-round.
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Thank you for finding this! I remember that the source of the poisoning was suspected to be something else, but I thought foxglove/digitalis.Simon thought his earlier illness had stemmed from eating nightshade plants — an herb family which includes tomatoes, eggplants, potatoes and peppers, the source reportedly said. Unripened nightshade plants contain poisonous alkaloids which can be fatal. [bbm]
Man whose parents were killed after lunch with his ex ‘suspects’ she had tried to poison him
Simon Patterson had previously suffered a mystery gut illness last spring after eating food his ex-wife served, and was in an induced coma for 16 days, a report said.
After three alleged non-lethal poisonings, it seems to me she could have started looking for something even more lethal and certain.
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Another thing potentially makes her angry …
She might feel that she is the less favored parent.. that they like him & his parents or prefer where they live.
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Or even maybe like she is the “less favoured child” of Don and Gail. IMO
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About Dehydrating Mushrooms in a Dehydrator
Most mushrooms dry beautifully, not only retaining but even gaining flavor in the process. When rehydrated in hot water, the texture is almost identical to that of fresh mushrooms. Dried mushrooms can be stored for at least a year.
Although mushrooms can be dried in the oven, you get the best results if you use a dehydrator following this simple method.
So, EP could have sourced and dried the death caps quite a while before they were used.
Save Mushrooms for Months by Dehydrating Them
Mushrooms are easy to dry at home with a dehydrator. Follow these steps to dry them to preserve their flavor for recipes year-round.
Could have, but didn’t, judging by the forum searches and phone GPS evidence which the prosecution say is to come. Interesting in itself. Wild mushroom are very seasonal, and most only grow once a year.
I grow and dry psychedelic mushrooms and the psilocybin (the chemical that makes them psychoactive) degrades over time. The mushrooms stay perfectly safe and unchanged, but they gradually become less effective, despite being dried.
I wonder if something similar might happen for the amatoxins etc in Death Caps?
I’m curious as to why she dried them at all really. It’s only necessary if you want to give them a longer shelf life — fresh foraged mushrooms can last around a week in the fridge.
Presumably (if guilty), it was in an attempt to better disguise them, but part of what makes Death Caps so dangerous is how palatable they. There seems to be no specific suggestion that she ground them either, which might have lent itself to some sort of concealment attempt.
It’s just an oddity to me. Of course, maybe I’m just overthinking it and she was just following the recipe she had!
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Foxglove etc are also in the nightshade family.
And just to add to the confusion, it is possible to be allergic or intolerant to otherwise perfectly safe nightshade vegetables (and there’s a bit of a wellness fad that tries to suggest *everyone* is allergic to them).
So, it’s possible when he said he suspected his symptoms were from nightshades he was referring to a suspected allergy or similar, and not suspecting, at the time.
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Someone asked earlier if anyone knows how Erin's mom died.... did anyone answer that? She sure inherited a lot of money ... imo...
Don't know the details of her mother's death, however it seems there was no love lost between them and probably goes some way to explain EP's own psychology (*):
In the [SMS] messages, which were sent shortly after her mother Heather Scutter’s death in 2019, Ms Patterson described her as a “cold robot”.
“My mum was ultra weird her whole life,” she wrote.
“We had a horrible upbringing. Mum was essentially a cold robot.
“It was like being brought up in a Russian orphanage where they don’t touch babies.”
In the messages, first reported by the Herald Sun, Ms Patterson also claimed her late father Eitan Scutter was “a doormat”.
“Dad wanted to be warm and loving to us but mum wouldn’t let him because it would spoil us so he did as he was told,” she said.
“She would shout at him if he did the wrong thing so he became very meek and compliant.
“My sister and I would hide in our room most of the time so we couldn’t do anything wrong.”
* Prof Sam Vaknin, an expert on Narcissism, has written:
The origins of narcissism remain a complex and debated topic, with no definitive answers available. Narcissism can arise from both abuse and excessive idolization during childhood, leading to a fragile self-identity that relies on external validation. The development of narcissism involves a struggle for autonomy and the formation of a self, which can be disrupted by inadequate parenting, resulting in a pathological personality structure. Ultimately, narcissists exhibit a facade of confidence while grappling with deep-seated feelings of inadequacy and emptiness, making their relationships and self-perception profoundly unstable.
Your Child At Risk: How Narcissists Are Made | Vaknin Talks
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Thanks for finding this! I'd been following this case from when it started till just after the arrest, and when I logged in to WS yesterday I saw I'd missed the start of the trial and am trying to catch up. MOO, but I've been on team "separate BWs pre-plated by EP to commit murder" from the start.took ages to find it but worth it!!!
Mushroom chef's Facebook messages leak
Mushroom chef Erin Patterson lashed out at her local community while putting together the local newspaper, an insider has revealed.www.dailymail.co.uk
Probably flushed down the toilet in her 9-second pitstop while taking the son to flying lessons. MOO
Hence why she wanted to ensure she and the children were at the same hospital. MOO
As you say, perhaps death caps are seasonal (or come with wet weather or similar?). But I got the impression from the article I read that she went foraging immediately after the Death Caps were reported on a forum, in two nearby locations, went to both locations, and bought the dehydrator the same day.
It was also suggested that she'd mixed some sort of mushroom into a cupcake for her daughter to taste test, perhaps that's where the dried/ground idea came from.
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