Australia - 3 dead after eating wild mushrooms, Leongatha, Victoria, Aug 2023 #2

[SMK777]

well stated
my questions to you guys are- 1. so why haven't they taken her in for questioning again?
2, and do they have enough suspicion to ask for an order to trace/tap her phones/emails etc?
3, are her children safe with her (how old are they?)

1. Don’t know. She has attorneys intervening.
2. They’ve confiscated her cell phones and devices.
3. The children were put into care.

 

[RickshawFan]

Death Cap mushroom cook and her multi-million dollar property portfolio: Erin Patterson inherited luxury oceanfront house after her mother's death - as she returns to scene of fatal lunch​

Fatal mushroom cook's multimillion property portfolio

The woman who cooked the beef wellington pie with Death Cap mushrooms has a multimillion dollar property portfolio funded by an oceanfront property inherited from her mother.

www.dailymail.co.uk

The costs of these properties don’t add up to me. She inherited (maybe shared, it sounds like) the $900k property from mum and sold it. She bought a $260k lot, built the current house up to a value of $900k, bought the house with the graffiti and sold it, bought the house Simon lives in, and some others for a “portfolio”? She paid for everything in cash. Even with values going up quickly, I can’t see how this is possible.

 

[mangoes999]

local radio audio link below -an experienced detective not involved in the case adds his 12 cents to this case.(D. John Sylvester)
Mushroom lunch investigation: 12 questions Sly thinks police should be asking - 3AW Breakfast with Ross and Russel

 

[jjenny]

The costs of these properties don’t add up to me. She inherited (maybe shared, it sounds like) the $900k property from mum and sold it. She bought a $260k lot, built the current house up to a value of $900k, bought the house with the graffiti and sold it, bought the house Simon lives in, and some others for a “portfolio”? She paid for everything in cash. Even with values going up quickly, I can’t see how this is possible.

Mom could have left her more than just the house?

 

[RickshawFan]

dbm

 

[Charlot123]

We may have a slanted version of the medical situation.

But: the victims survived a week, or nearly. And part of what distinguishes death cap poisoning is the timing of the symptoms. It's not just a checklist.

I know. So, not thallium, because they would be losing hair by that time. Any poison has own symptoms, but I am still interested in the menu.

 

[jjenny]

Since she provided a long written statement to the police suggests to me she refuses to be interviewed in person where she can be asked questions.
There would be no need for her to write a statement if she agreed to an actual interview with the police, would there?

 

[CityKid]

The costs of these properties don’t add up to me. She inherited (maybe shared, it sounds like) the $900k property from mum and sold it. She bought a $260k lot, built the current house up to a value of $900k, bought the house with the graffiti and sold it, bought the house Simon lives in, and some others for a “portfolio”? She paid for everything in cash. Even with values going up quickly, I can’t see how this is possible.

This story mentioned she had a sister. I wonder if they also inherited money or other assets?

Instagram post of mushroom cook's husband about 'not getting caught'

A bizarre old Instagram post by the ex-husband of the beef wellington pie chef in the Death Cap mushroom tragedy about 'forgiveness' and 'not getting caught' has emerged.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[jjenny]

This story mentioned she had a sister. I wonder if they also inherited money or other assets?

Instagram post of mushroom cook's husband about 'not getting caught'

A bizarre old Instagram post by the ex-husband of the beef wellington pie chef in the Death Cap mushroom tragedy about 'forgiveness' and 'not getting caught' has emerged.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Well, if her parents lived in a million $ home, then it's a good bet they had other assets.

 

[Charlot123]

it seems like a massive reach to suggest EP isn’t involved as she was the chief.


Are we meant to believe somebody is framing her and broke into her house and messed with her Beef Wellington and if that’s the case explain these inconsistencies.

1) Why then can she not remember where she brought the mushrooms?

2) Why did she thrown away evidence ?

3) how did she manage to be absolutely fine when 4 other guests ended up either dead or critically ill in hospital?

This is why I would like to know what they all ate, including pies with berries and ice cream, and what they drank. Also, what was provided by the hostess, and what was brought by the guests as a gift. Did anyone get outside and treat themselves to wild berries in the garden?

Of course, 97% chance that it was the hostess. She had the means. She could have own interests, and not necessarily love ones. Divorce and money that (in all fairness) was hers but didn’t look so by Australian laws?

But then, I can see some other parties’ interests, and they might be conflicting, too. So unless someone is officially accused, let us wait.

It is an interesting case because much as the hostess, by all accounts, is odd (I read it as “awkward socially”, or “slightly eccentric”), she is a very smart woman, this is why the case is not easy.

 

[Observe_dont_Absorb]

Death can ensue seven to 10 days after mushroom ingestion.

What happens when you eat a death cap mushroom?

The deaths of three Victorians after a Saturday lunch in the small town of Leongatha sent shock waves through the community, but also shone the spotlight on one of the most poisonous organisms on earth.

www.abc.net.au

More in the article.

A living hell to know you're unwell and then find out you're dying when it's too late for anything to be done. My god. I can't even imagine.

If these people did die of death cap mushroom poisoning *and* someone did it intentionally, ie pre-meditated murder *and* they knew how painful and long a death it is, then that was premeditated torture and murder. (none of those variables may be true)

 

[Observe_dont_Absorb]

dbm double post

 

[jjleroche]

This is why I would like to know what they all ate, including pies with berries and ice cream, and what they drank. Also, what was provided by the hostess, and what was brought by the guests as a gift. Did anyone get outside and treat themselves to wild berries in the garden?

Of course, 97% chance that it was the hostess. She had the means. She could have own interests, and not necessarily love ones. Divorce and money that (in all fairness) was hers but didn’t look so by Australian laws?

But then, I can see some other parties’ interests, and they might be conflicting, too. So unless someone is officially accused, let us wait.

It is an interesting case because much as the hostess, by all accounts, is odd (I read it as “awkward socially”, or “slightly eccentric”), she is a very smart woman, this is why the case is not easy.

I haven't read anything indicating that the money wasn't hers according to Australian laws.
Any link or reference to a post?
TIA

 

[jjleroche]

This is why I would like to know what they all ate, including pies with berries and ice cream, and what they drank. Also, what was provided by the hostess, and what was brought by the guests as a gift. Did anyone get outside and treat themselves to wild berries in the garden?

Of course, 97% chance that it was the hostess. She had the means. She could have own interests, and not necessarily love ones. Divorce and money that (in all fairness) was hers but didn’t look so by Australian laws?

But then, I can see some other parties’ interests, and they might be conflicting, too. So unless someone is officially accused, let us wait.

It is an interesting case because much as the hostess, by all accounts, is odd (I read it as “awkward socially”, or “slightly eccentric”), she is a very smart woman, this is why the case is not easy.

Yes, it begs the question "Who else had anything to gain if (should) the victims pass away, and what could be the specific gain - ie financial/revenge, or something else? JMO

 

[Salah11]

In a police statement obtained by the ABC, Erin reportedly told investigators that she had prepared a meal of beef Wellington with a “lot of mushrooms”.

A mushroom cook and her killer family lunch: The mysterious case gripping Australia

A bizarre case has enthralled people all across the globe – involving mushroom poisoning, a series of deaths, a tearful interview and now reports of a past mystery illness. Tara Cobham and Bevan Hurley report

www.independent.co.uk

I bet she didn’t eat those mushrooms- also makes her comments about scrapping them all for the kids to eat even more laughable if she had used so many in the dish.


imo

 

[al66pine]

What Did Any of the 3 Now-Dead Say to Paramedic?
Hearsay Rule of Evd. "Dying Declaration" Exception?

BTW, in law there’s an exception to the hearsay rule called dying declaration. ...the statement made to a paramedic by one of the relatives. There may also be others and of course one relative survived so he’ll give a witness statement at some point if not already....

snipped for focus @MsMarple
Thx for this reminder (from your Danemead Cottage in quaint, sleepy village of St. Mary Mead <-- I presume ).

I've missed some info in the thread.
What did any of the poisoned patients say to paramedic?

Links to MSM pls. Anyone? TiA.

 

[CityKid]

I've missed some info in the thread.
What did any of the poisoned patients say to paramedic?

Hasn't been revealed but it was alarming enough for the paramedic to tell detectives.

Mushroom suspect says she's no 'evil witch', victim's dying words passed to police

Erin Patterson has slammed her treatment by the media.

www.nzherald.co.nz

 

[Blondiexoxo]

Questions that if answered I think would provide a lot more clarity IMO…

Did the children ever attend hospital to be checked over after eating the beef wellington?
Even though mushrooms were supposedly scraped off, death caps are so deadly that even residue could cause severe illness or death, and with the dish containing ‘lots of mushrooms’ how could she be sure she hadn’t accidentally missed one when scraping them off?

When did EP invite her guests to lunch? When did she inform them that they’d be eating beef wellington?

What were EP’s true feelings towards the 4 guests? Had she spoke of them to friends or family members? Did she hold any animosity towards them?

Why did Simon - who according to EP wanted to reconcile but she refused - ask ‘is that what you used to poison them?’ when she was discussing the dehydrator? Why did his mind immediately jump there?
That accusation IMO came from somewhere, he had to have his own suspicions pretty much straight away to ask that question. JMO but he must have had a valid reason to ask that.

What was the conversation EP was having with her children about the dehydrator in the hospital? What was being said?
Was it maybe along the lines of Simon maybe asking her to explain exactly how she prepared the beef wellington, what ingredients did she use? Perhaps she left out the dehydrator and one of her children asked ‘didn’t you use that thing you put the mushrooms in too?’ Possibly Simon, suspicious already at this point and upon realising EP could have left out part of the story, accused her of using the dehydrator in order to poison his parents? JMO

IMO it could be possible that EP had a vendetta against Simon and maybe his family too. A woman scorned could maybe, if an attempt on their exe’s life failed, decide to indirectly hurt them by harming/killing family members IMO. Maybe it was an act of the ultimate revenge. Simon surviving the possible attempt on his life and now having to live without two of the people he loved most in the world must be unbelievably painful. MOO

ETA - one more question - Who’s idea was it for the kids to go to the movies that day? Was it the children themselves who asked to go or did EP suggest they went and gave them the money to go with?

 

[kittythehare]

What Did Any of the 3 Now-Dead Say to Paramedic?
Hearsay Rule of Evd. "Dying Declaration" Exception?


snipped for focus @MsMarple
Thx for this reminder (from your Danemead Cottage in quaint, sleepy village of St. Mary Mead <-- I presume ).

I've missed some info in the thread.
What did any of the poisoned patients say to paramedic?

Links to MSM pls. Anyone? TiA.

I'd imagine I'd be taking this with a pinch of salt because there is no report that any of them died in the ambulance which is where the paramedic would have contact with them. AFAIK all were admitted, treated and deteriorated while hospitalised.

 

[MsMarple]

Questions that if answered I think would provide a lot more clarity IMO…

Did the children ever attend hospital to be checked over after eating the beef wellington?
Even though mushrooms were supposedly scraped off, death caps are so deadly that even residue could cause severe illness or death, and with the dish containing ‘lots of mushrooms’ how could she be sure she hadn’t accidentally missed one when scraping them off?

When did EP invite her guests to lunch? When did she inform them that they’d be eating beef wellington?

What were EP’s true feelings towards the 4 guests? Had she spoke of them to friends or family members? Did she hold any animosity towards them?

Why did Simon - who according to EP wanted to reconcile but she refused - ask ‘is that what you used to poison them?’ when she was discussing the dehydrator? Why did his mind immediately jump there?
That accusation IMO came from somewhere, he had to have his own suspicions pretty much straight away to ask that question. JMO but he must have had a valid reason to ask that.

What was the conversation EP was having with her children about the dehydrator in the hospital? What was being said?
Was it maybe along the lines of Simon maybe asking her to explain exactly how she prepared the beef wellington, what ingredients did she use? Perhaps she left out the dehydrator and one of her children asked ‘didn’t you use that thing you put the mushrooms in too?’ Possibly Simon, suspicious already at this point and upon realising EP could have left out part of the story, accused her of using the dehydrator in order to poison his parents? JMO

IMO it could be possible that EP had a vendetta against Simon and maybe his family too. A woman scorned could maybe, if an attempt on their exe’s life failed, decide to indirectly hurt them by harming/killing family members IMO. Maybe it was an act of the ultimate revenge. Simon surviving the possible attempt on his life and now having to live without two of the people he loved most in the world must be unbelievably painful. MOO

ETA - one more question - Who’s idea was it for the kids to go to the movies that day? Was it the children themselves who asked to go or did EP suggest they went and gave them the money to go with?

I too wonder about vendettas. For me, my mind goes to the children and possible conflicts regarding custody and visitation.

This is only speculation. Maybe the grandparents felt EP was interfering with their relationship with the kids. Or their fathers relationship. Maybe EP felt the grandparents were interfering or speaking badly about her to the kids.

If it’s true that the grandparents were there to determine EP’s “worthiness” then I could only imagine how involved they may have been in EP’s parenting skills.

Again, speculation only, based on the few bits of information released so far.