Australia - 3 dead after eating wild mushrooms, Leongatha, Victoria, Aug 2023 #3

[RickshawFan]

Acronym.

The perpetrator or offender may Deny the behavior, Attack the individual doing the confronting, and Reverse the roles of Victim and Offender such that the perpetrator assumes the victim role and turns the true victim -- or the whistle blower -- into an alleged offender.

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Or you can find any number of links by googling.

Oh, totally....we have someone inappropriately assuming the victim role.

IMO LE's statement that they are unhappy at the "unhelpful statement" that got released (likely an EP leak?), keeps EP squarely in the potential perp (i.e. suspect) role and undercuts her presentation of herself as victim.

 

[LadyL]

My understanding is they are not teenagers. And my point applies only to anyone else being a chaperone besides EP: no chaperone, no movies. And who would be picking up and driving them? Otherwise, we have CCTV as "chaperone", which works, too.

I guess it's each to their own. 11 or 12 is old enough to go to the movies IMO (I did)

 

[JLZ]

Oh, totally....we have someone inappropriately assuming the victim role.

IMO LE's statement that they are unhappy at the "unhelpful statement" that got released (likely an EP leak?), keeps EP squarely in the potential perp (i.e. suspect) role and undercuts her presentation of herself as victim.

I don't get why it would be unhelpful. Unless they have someone else in view. The more a suspect talks the better.

 

[Ellery84]

DBM

 

[Ellery84]

I guess it's each to their own. 11 or 12 is old enough to go to the movies IMO (I did)

Maybe the eldest of Erin’s children is older than 12.

 

[JLZ]

Also: What does o/t mean?

off topic

 

[SouthAussie]

I don't get why it would be unhelpful. Unless they have someone else in view. The more a suspect talks the better.

I imagine it is probably unhelpful because the police didn't get to ask questions, and receive answers, for the information that they want to know. They just received her self-reporting through her lawyer. Which avoids the tough questions that may be asked by the police.

imo

 

[JLZ]

I imagine it is probably unhelpful because the police didn't get to ask questions, and receive answers, for the information that they want to know. They just received her self-reporting through her lawyer. Which avoids the tough questions that may be asked by the police.

imo

Suppose they think she has an accomplice and they're bugging her phone etc to catch them co-ordinating. And then she evades the trap by putting her story out for everyone to see.

 

[Ellery84]

My understanding is they are not teenagers.

Your understanding is partially correct and partially incorrect.

One of them is, and one of them isn’t.

 

[SouthAussie]

Suppose they think she has an accomplice and they're bugging her phone etc to catch them co-ordinating. And then she evades the trap by putting her story out for everyone to see.

I see absolutely no reason for her not going to the police, with her lawyer, and answering their questions. Her lawyer would protect her rights.

Sending the police a statement is not answering their questions. It is not helping their investigation. An investigation where, presumably, she wants her name cleared.

The Australian thinks she is a smart woman, and I agree.

 

[JLZ]

I see absolutely no reason for her not going to the police, with her lawyer, and answering their questions. Her lawyer would protect her rights.

Sending the police a statement is not answering their questions. It is not helping their investigation. An investigation where, presumably, she wants her name cleared.

The Australian thinks she is a smart woman, and I agree.

It would be much more helpful to police if she submitted to interrogation. But I don't see that that makes her missive actively unhelpful. Truth, lies, evasions, revisions--all useful in my opinion. The worst thing is when the suspect says nothing.

 

[MsMarple]

I don't get why it would be unhelpful. Unless they have someone else in view. The more a suspect talks the better.

Here’s the quote from Deputy Commissioner Steendam:

'The matter needs to be dealt with by (the police, not the media), Ms Steendam told ABC Radio Melbournepresenter Virginia Trioli.

The deputy commissioner said Erin's lengthy legal statement was widely circulated to the media before the police could examine it.

Ms Steendam said it was not an official police statement, but one taken by Erin's lawyers.

'What I would say is that … working on an investigation through the media is unhelpful to our investigation,' the deputy commissioner said.

'The matter needs to be dealt with by us, looked at (by) us, and determined by us thoroughly what's actually occurred, and using the evidence that we have to determine and understand exactly what's happened and if we can explain what caused the deaths.'

Erin Patterson: Cops break silence on mushroom chef leaked statement

Victoria's second highest ranking police officer has said the leaking of a statement from Erin Patterson about a mushroom meal thought to be linked to the deaths of three people is 'unhelpful'.

www.dailymail.co.uk

To me it sounds more like the police are frustrated with EP. But I do agree that the more she blabs the more information will leak out.

 

[SouthAussie]

It would be much more helpful to police if she submitted to interrogation. But I don't see that that makes her missive actively unhelpful. Truth, lies, evasions, revisions--all useful in my opinion. The worst thing is when the suspect says nothing.

Yes, useful in that they now have her written word to verify. And she has already admitted that she lied about one thing.

She is not doing herself any favours.
3 people died after her meal, another is finally in a stable condition (for who knows how long, if it might become unstable and dire as they say can happen with this toxin).

If that doesn't warrant a good chat with the police, I don't know what does.

 

[jjleroche]

oic
I would've googled but I thought it was Australian slang/lingo
interesting I've been following true crime for decades and never seen it before

"DARVO" sure looks like it's Aussie lingo (AKA "Strine"), but I don't think it is.

As any Aussie will tell you, we tend to shorten words, especially names. "Davo" is a name often used when referring to someone called "David". "Dave"'s more popular though IMO.
"Andy", "Johnno" etc. are the norm. (Pun unintended, but "Norm" refers to "Norman."

A tall person may find themselves being referred as "Lofty", Shorty", "Tiny"
"Arvo" means "afternoon", "barbie" means barbecue etc.

I'm sure some of us Aussies here could come up with all sorts of meanings for DARVO other than the "Deny, Attack, and Reverse Victim and Offender" (not with the same meaning though).

 

[JLZ]

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[jepop]

They could ask her the inside goss on the royal family.

or him?

 

[jepop]

Just having doubts about the friend's credibility. Whether the person knows Simon personally at all, or just has an opinion she or he needs to express. Like the friends/insiders to the royal family who leak to the media what turns out to be no such thing, and the 'friend' is perhaps an alter-ego of the journalist.

There's also the possibility that Msm scour social media (ie reddit/twitter?) and re-phrase rumour/posts and then report such as 'a friend' said. Just my conjecture. Not all Msm would do this Imo, I'm just conjecturing that some might/could these days and then use what they find as sources. Not sure how such would stand up if ever asked to be accountable so just saying, I've heard of it being done with tabloid outlets. Anyways - grain of salt with unnamed and un-verified sources Jmo.

 

[JBowie]

Acronym.

The perpetrator or offender may Deny the behavior, Attack the individual doing the confronting, and Reverse the roles of Victim and Offender such that the perpetrator assumes the victim role and turns the true victim -- or the whistle blower -- into an alleged offender.

Untitled Document

New to me, but quite useful.

 

[jepop]

Here’s the quote from Deputy Commissioner Steendam:

'The matter needs to be dealt with by (the police, not the media), Ms Steendam told ABC Radio Melbournepresenter Virginia Trioli.

The deputy commissioner said Erin's lengthy legal statement was widely circulated to the media before the police could examine it.

Ms Steendam said it was not an official police statement, but one taken by Erin's lawyers.

'What I would say is that … working on an investigation through the media is unhelpful to our investigation,' the deputy commissioner said.

'The matter needs to be dealt with by us, looked at (by) us, and determined by us thoroughly what's actually occurred, and using the evidence that we have to determine and understand exactly what's happened and if we can explain what caused the deaths.'

Erin Patterson: Cops break silence on mushroom chef leaked statement

Victoria's second highest ranking police officer has said the leaking of a statement from Erin Patterson about a mushroom meal thought to be linked to the deaths of three people is 'unhelpful'.

www.dailymail.co.uk

To me it sounds more like the police are frustrated with EP. But I do agree that the more she blabs the more information will leak out.

Reads to me like police would have preferred that the media not be speculating left right and centre on the leaked (if that's what happened) statement, and more generally with media speculation. Naturally there is a lot of trial by social media these days and plenty of suggestion and unverified reporting in the main stream. That seems the basis for why "unhelpful' Imo. ie Only the police can develop what potential evidence might be. I'd imagine Msm and social media has an impact on police interviews and police trying to develop back-ground and context to the case. Moo

 

[jjleroche]

oic
I would've googled but I thought it was Australian slang/lingo
interesting I've been following true crime for decades and never seen it before

DBM Duplicated

“The friend told the publicationthat Mr Patterson’s family was worried about Ms Patterson’s “mental state” so they accepted the lunch invitation to “make sure she was in the right mental health to resume a relationship with Simon”.

“This wasn’t just a lunch, it was an intervention with the pastor as mediator. That’s why this lunch happened,” the friend said.

Here’s the quote about the family being concerned about EP’s mental health that was mentioned earlier.

https://www.news.com.au/national/victoria/fifth-person-went-to-hospital-after-mushroom-lunch/news-story/2d830a63eb508e58b0ce82d3e57a3585

I would have thought SP would be old enough to make his own decisions regarding reconciliations or anything other personal matters. MOO

I agree with posters expressing concerns re some"facts" which come from "sources". How do we really know about anything reported, unless it's official statements from investugators.

In most of the reports from unconfirmed sources, there could be a number of other possibilities.
The lunch may, or may not" have been an "intervention". "Interventions" per se are relatively uncommon in Australia, but not impossible.

IMO, given that EP and the guests had known each other for many years, it may have have been simply a friendly get-together - maybe one of the attendees birthdays, maybe discussing the Burra Flyer community newsletter, which Erin had taken over from the Pattersons. MOO