Australia - 3 dead after eating wild mushrooms, Leongatha, Victoria, Aug 2023 #6 *Arrest*

[iamshadow21]

I wonder if she audio recorded or secretly CCTV recorded the meal? I would!

JMO MOO

RSBM

If she did, those tech doggies would get an extra big pat and a treat for finding that. You couldn't get a better impartial witness to events of that day than a camera.

MOO

 

[SouthAussie]

IMO intervention (if that's what it was) involving the two parents and their close friends of the sparring party (ex/husband) could be perceived as extremely bullying. We don't know how pushy or bullish they were about making this arrangement and although they were 'like family to her' their first and foremost loyalty is to their beloved son. I can't imagine anyone is too fond of their son's ex if they've heard all the stories...

We don't know enough about EP or her circumstances but honestly, in dynamic terms, when the opposing party comes into your home with four of their closest allies to 'discuss' (ie confront) a conflict and you are on your own with no other support, that's terrifyingly unsettling. If she was a friend or family member of mine, I'd have insisted she take professional advice and have an advocate and friend with her at the very least.

I wonder if she audio recorded or secretly CCTV recorded the meal? I would!

JMO MOO

Although I don't know how confronted EP would have felt.
It was her home, they didn't have to meet there. And she didn't have to cook them a lavish lunch.

imo

 

[Baby baby Jane]

I think it's pretty standard for police to not alert suspects of impending arrest, to try and avoid unpleasant actions potential arrestees may take if they know the knock is coming (homicide, suicide, escape, kidnapping, hostage taking, armed standoff, destruction of evidence, just to name a few...)

MOO

As they were surely watching & listening in, they probably delayed arrest til after the party. Maybe party source of info.
LE Might also have had concerns the party as a potential goodbye … so did arrest right away.

 

[TootsieFootsie]

It’s right here:

Yes it doesn't actually say who provided the information that she wasn't aware.

 

[CityKid]

The thing is, is there verifiable evidence that EP was poorly herself or not?

Because if she actually wasn't, then potentially the meal at her house could be ruled out as the single source of poisoning.

This is just one of the places where EP screwed up. She stated that she went to hospital and was treated. Per the story I linked below, "Inspector Thomas said that Erin and her two children also presented to hospital as a precaution, but noted they did not have symptoms. However, Erin has since said she was hospitalised with bad stomach pains and diarrhoea, put on a saline drip and given a 'liver protective drug', then later transferred to a hospital in Melbourne. Gippsland Southern Health Service confirmed last Friday that a fifth individual, who initially came to Leongatha Hospital on July 30 with symptoms of possible food poisoning, later returned and was subsequently transferred to Monash Medical Centre on July 31."

The contradictions in the mushroom poisoning case

Don and Gail Patterson, Gail's sister Heather and her pastor husband Ian fell sick after eating beef Wellington pie at Erin Patterson's Leongatha home, in Victoria's Gippsland, on July 29.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[TootsieFootsie]

I'd like to know exactly who was at the party.

No matter the outcome, I hate to think that someone might not have any friends.
So I would like to think that the people at the party were her friends.

 

[Salah11]

IMO intervention (if that's what it was) involving the two parents and their close friends of the sparring party (ex/husband) could be perceived as extremely bullying. We don't know how pushy or bullish they were about making this arrangement and although they were 'like family to her' their first and foremost loyalty is to their beloved son. I can't imagine anyone is too fond of their son's ex if they've heard all the stories...

We don't know enough about EP or her circumstances but honestly, in dynamic terms, when the opposing party comes into your home with four of their closest allies to 'discuss' (ie confront) a conflict and you are on your own with no other support, that's terrifyingly unsettling. If she was a friend or family member of mine, I'd have insisted she take professional advice and have an advocate and friend with her at the very least.

I wonder if she audio recorded or secretly CCTV recorded the meal? I would!

JMO MOO

It wouldn’t be very wise to record a lunch where you are trying to poison your 4 lunch guests and successfully pulled it off ( if guilty which she may not be) imo

 

[Observe_dont_Absorb]

Neighbours say accused killer entertained before arrest

Nine News has been told accused mushroom killer Erin Patterson entertained people at her home the night before she was arrested and charged.

www.brisbanetimes.com.au

*eta: The mother of two will remain at the maximum security Dame Phyllis Frost Centre until her next court appearance in May.

Erin Patterson held a party the night before her arrest

www.9news.com.au

Accommodation​

Single cells with ensuite facilities.

Self-contained units.

Two special cell blocks housing 20 prisoners each designed for protection prisoners and prisoners with a history of poor behaviour.

Medium security units house ten prisoners in separate rooms while minimum security units house only five prisoners. Each unit has individual kitchen and dining facilities and prisoners are required to cook and prepare their own meals and do their own washing, ironing and housework. Groups of prisoners share activity areas and a quiet area for reading and writing

Dame Phyllis Frost Centre | Corrections Victoria

Information specific to Dame Phyllis Frost Centre (Women only)

www.corrections.vic.gov.au

So, EP had 'guests' around her home the night before she was arrested in a 'function' that lasted a few hours?

Well alls I can say is anyone who ate and drank in her home is far far braver than I - what a tense situation to be in.

Also I can't help wondering if at least one of them was working with LE to try and glean some information, bearing in mind she was then arrested the very next day?

 

[Observe_dont_Absorb]

It wouldn’t be very wise to record a lunch where you are trying to poison your 4 lunch guests and successfully pulled it off ( if guilty which she may not be) imo

Indeed, I more meant to record the proceedings and any verbal agreements but hm yes if she really did poison people, unsure, she could have thought it might help prove her innocence if she planned this and did it.

 

[imstilla.grandma]

So, EP had 'guests' around her home the night before she was arrested in a 'function' that lasted a few hours?

Well alls I can say is anyone who ate and drank in her home is far far braver than I - what a tense situation to be in.

Also I can't help wondering if at least one of them was working with LE to try and glean some information, bearing in mind she was then arrested the very next day?

I think back to what my grandma used to tell me. Coincidences are God’s way of winking at us.

 

[Observe_dont_Absorb]

I was actually wondering if the party was just her and her legal team.

Sounds more like it. Getting her affairs in order prior to being arrested and charged.

She was probably booked an interview appointment slot by detectives (that's how they start when they're playing nice). When failed to attend, they came and got her. So she would have known that from the interview onwards that charges could be laid and she wouldn't see daylight for a while.

 

[Salah11]

I wonder what was going through her mind because just say her plan was successful and everybody died including Simon and then she gets caught. Did she give any consideration towards her children and what would happen to them considering her parents were also dead?


Mooo

 

[Kemug]

I was actually wondering if the party was just her and her legal team.

And the dog.

 

[Observe_dont_Absorb]

I wonder what was going through her mind because just say her plan was successful and everybody died including Simon and then she gets caught. Did she give any consideration towards her children and what would happen to them considering her parents were also dead?


Mooo

For this reason, I'm struggling to suspend my disbelief and buy into the idea she did this.

She had a flat zero hope of getting away with it. People say she knew all about how DC mushrooms work, well my only suspicion is that she didn't. Therefore she may have just hoped to put people on the back foot for a while, a bit queasy and long term poorly, long slow deteriorating of the liver. Thwart them from having the energy and impetus to keep forging ahead with the divorce plans.

Unless she's lost the plot with some form of delusional disorder, schizophrenia maybe, and is not herself, therefore wasn't able to consider rationally. If so, this will come out in court and other people would have probably noticed prior to the meal.

JMO MOO.

 

[Kemug]

Those poor kids. They were maybe already traumatized because of their parents splitting. Then after that by the deaths in the family. Then by their mother being arrested. So they may be in quite a state by now.

 

[Baby baby Jane]

For this reason, I'm struggling to suspend my disbelief and buy into the idea she did this.

She had a flat zero hope of getting away with it. People say she knew all about how DC mushrooms work, well my only suspicion is that she didn't. Therefore she may have just hoped to put people on the back foot for a while, a bit queasy and long term poorly, long slow deteriorating of the liver. Thwart them from having the energy and impetus to keep forging ahead with the divorce plans.

Unless she's lost the plot with some form of delusional disorder, schizophrenia maybe, and is not herself, therefore wasn't able to consider rationally. If so, this will come out in court and other people would have probably noticed prior to the meal.

JMO MOO.

Maybe the idea was to frame the 4, saying they brought a dish which she served. She was hoping they all quickly die at home, never get to hospital?

 

[Salah11]

Maybe the idea was to frame the 4, saying they brought a dish which she served. She was hoping they all quickly die at home, never get to hospital?

You are forgetting 4 failed attempts on her ex husband this was not her first rodeo from the little we know about the charges brought. I don’t see how she could blame anybody else for a lunch she cooked and walked away unscathed from.

IMO

 

[LacieL]

I wonder what was going through her mind because just say her plan was successful and everybody died including Simon and then she gets caught. Did she give any consideration towards her children and what would happen to them considering her parents were also dead?

I’ve wondered about how (if guilty) Erin’s alleged crimes align with her being a mother. Like you say, what did she think would happen to her children once their immediate family were all dead or in prison?

My potential explanation (and I’m certain it’s far from the only plausible one) is that she was deeply unhappy with her life. Maybe having children wasn’t her dream but Simon’s and then she was very resentful if she felt he wasn’t pulling his weight once they had them, especially after giving up her career. I don’t think she thought she would get away with it, at least she must have imagined the scenario where she was caught if she did it.

Most parents would think of their children’s welfare first, even those children they might not have had in another life. I do wonder if that image of the wall that was painted over holds a clue? Maybe life was more difficult for Erin and/or the kids than first appears.

Of course she may not be found guilty.

 

[Tweet57]

Erin Patterson held a party the night before her arrest

The media should be aware that having a few friends over may not mean a ‘party’.

 

[CityKid]

The media should be aware that having a few friends over may not mean a ‘party’.

Just like Simon didn't necessarily "mysteriously go missing" because they haven't spotted him out.