Australia - 3 dead after eating wild mushrooms, Leongatha, Victoria, Aug 2023 #6 *Arrest*

[TootsieFootsie]

I don' think $600 a week would be enough for an adult and two almost teenagers to live on.

 

[SouthAussie]

I don' think $600 a week would be enough for an adult and two almost teenagers to live on.

Not if she was paying all of the child-related expenses, but presumably SP was paying ½ of the child-related expenses, or giving her child support payments and picking up some of the other expenses (school uniforms and such).

She still may have been struggling with cash though. I checked, and if she was getting rental income of approx $600 per week she would not have been eligible for Parenting Payment.

imo

 

[ch_13]

She could also have other assets: stocks, bonds, savings etc. that she could be spending down.

She still may have been struggling with cash though.

Interesting thought. We've all been trying to figure out *why* she would do this, if she did. The current financial relationship between her and Simon is quite opaque, but money stress is the motivation behind so many similar cases where someone kills a spouse or another family member that it has to be way up there on the list of potential reasons.

 

[SouthAussie]

She could also have other assets: stocks, bonds, savings etc. that she could be spending down.


Interesting thought. We've all been trying to figure out *why* she would do this, if she did. The current financial relationship between her and Simon is quite opaque, but money stress is the motivation behind so many similar cases where someone kills a spouse or another family member that it has to be way up there on the list of potential reasons.

Yes, I was wondering if she paid SP a sum of cash for his share of the Mt Waverley property in 2021, and then they transferred the property into her name only.

This could have substantially reduced any cash she may have had, especially with also paying to build her new home in Leongatha.

Leaving her in the position of living on rental income and his shared support of the children. Which might have seemed an okay settlement at the time, but may have turned out to be difficult.

If SP was no longer alive, I wonder if his assets (including 'her' money given to him for his share of the unit in 2021) would have all gone to their minor children - who were in her care.

imo

 

[ch_13]

Yes, I was wondering if she paid SP a sum of cash for his share of the Mt Waverley property in 2021, and then they transferred the property into her name only.

This could have substantially reduced any cash she may have had, especially with also paying to build her new home in Leongatha.

Leaving her in the position of living on rental income and his shared support of the children. Which might have seemed an okay settlement at the time, but may have turned out to be difficult.

If SP was no longer alive, I wonder if his assets (including 'her' money given to him for his share of the unit in 2021) would have all gone to their minor children - who were in her care.

imo

There could also be assets left in trust for the kids, with her as the named trustee. (Which may help explain why the grandparents were targeted.)

It would be awfully interesting to get a look at the wills of Simon and his parents.

 

[JLZ]

Not if she was paying all of the child-related expenses, but presumably SP was paying ½ of the child-related expenses, or giving her child support payments and picking up some of the other expenses (school uniforms and such).

She still may have been struggling with cash though. I checked, and if she was getting rental income of approx $600 per week she would not have been eligible for Parenting Payment.

imo

If it's true she worked for the Dept of Defence, she might have taken a redundancy package or qualified for an invalidity pension.

 

[Ellery84]

If anything, the fact the accused used to be an air traffic controller seems even scarier. It is a position of power and I wonder if she is guilty that she enjoyed having a feeling of power over her guests. It is a chilling thought.

To add to this, I wonder if they do psychometric testing on air traffic controllers, or if they’re evaluated by psychologists or psychiatrists before undertaking the role??

I wonder if law enforcement could subpoena that data (if it exists) and get a baseline for her psychometric profile at that time in her life.

Moo

Disclaimer: I’m not suggesting Erin is guilty of any of the crimes she’s been charged with. She’s entitled to the presumption of innocence.

 

[Ellery84]

If it's true she worked for the Dept of Defence, she might have taken a redundancy package or qualified for an invalidity pension.

That’s interesting JLZ and it’s got me thinking!!

She may have had a passive income from another property?

She may have been eligible to be on a disability pension from DHS but I’m not sure she would be eligible due to their asset tests.

In terms of a single parent payment from DHS, there’s asset tests on that and I think owning a second property which she did not live in might preclude her from passing the asset test, but I’m not really sure.

I do wonder what she was using as income, to pay food, bills, car expenses like fuel, and school fees.

I also wonder if she would be eligible for job seeker? Or maybe ex partner Simon was paying some sort of alimony to her to keep her afloat?

All imo

 

[JLZ]

That’s interesting JLZ and it’s got me thinking!!

She may have had a passive income from another property?

She may have been eligible to be on a disability pension from DHS but I’m not sure she would be eligible due to their asset tests.

In terms of a single parent payment from DHS, there’s asset tests on that and I think owning a second property which she did not live in might preclude her from passing the asset test, but I’m not really sure.

I do wonder what she was using as income, to pay food, bills, car expenses like fuel, and school fees.

I also wonder if she would be eligible for job seeker? Or maybe ex partner Simon was paying some sort of alimony to her to keep her afloat?

All imo

Invalidity pension post government service is different from disability pension from Centrelink. The former is not income/asset tested.

If she has income from Centrelink, that might be a reason for a more than usually amicable property settlement with her spouse.

 

[Ellery84]

Invalidity pension post government service is different from disability pension from Centrelink. The former is not income/asset tested.

If she has income from Centrelink, that might be a reason for a more than usually amicable property settlement with her spouse.

Got it - thanks!

 

[TootsieFootsie]

Erin Patterson's 'holiday home' sells

Erin Patterson - the woman accused of three murders at a mushroom lunch - has successfully sold one of her properties prior to auction.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[Kemug]

Erin Patterson's 'holiday home' sells

Erin Patterson - the woman accused of three murders at a mushroom lunch - has successfully sold one of her properties prior to auction.

www.dailymail.co.uk

My goodness, that was quick!

 

[SouthAussie]

Erin Patterson's 'holiday home' sells

Erin Patterson - the woman accused of three murders at a mushroom lunch - has successfully sold one of her properties prior to auction.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Looks like it has been rented already also. The Ray White R/E site is now showing it as a leased rental property.
Property.com shows it has a rental rate of $725 per week (last updated 13th November 2023).

Can't find the actual sale price, it is behind a sign-in. Not that it matters. EP will need every cent of it, unless the police freeze the funds.

imo

 

[JBowie]

24 photos of the townhouse:

https://www.onthehouse.com.au/property/vic/mount-waverley-3149/2-2-lyons-st-mount-waverley-vic-3149-6482984

 

[al66pine]

24 photos of the townhouse:

https://www.onthehouse.com.au/property/vic/mount-waverley-3149/2-2-lyons-st-mount-waverley-vic-3149-6482984

@JBowie Thanks for the r/e link.
EP & SP bought it in 2019, before he transferred his interest to her, per a post in the past week or so.

At link:
"27 Jul 2019
Sold for $931,000"

"27 Jun 2019
Listed for Sale $800,000 - $880,000"

Bought on SAME day property was listed for sale, for a significantly HIGHER $ figure than the listng's $ range shown.

If that was not an auction purchase, seems the market for houses in that neighborhood was extreeemely hot.
And/or (inheritance?) money was burning a hole in her pocket??? Or other, IDK.

 

[Ellery84]

@JBowie Thanks for the r/e link.
EP & SP bought it in 2019, before he transferred his interest to her, per a post in the past week or so.

At link:
"27 Jul 2019
Sold for $931,000"

"27 Jun 2019
Listed for Sale $800,000 - $880,000"

Bought on SAME day property was listed for sale, for a significantly HIGHER $ figure than the listng's $ range shown.

If that was not an auction purchase, seems the market for houses in that neighborhood was extreeemely hot.
And/or (inheritance?) money was burning a hole in her pocket??? Or other, IDK.

That is really, really weird.
IMO

 

[investikater]

So how come she wasn't offered bail?

 

[investikater]

My goodness, that was quick!

Not unusual in Australia's INSANE real estate market.

You'd better go to the first showing or open house, because it might be the only one!

 

[investikater]

Which house is the one there was a report of weird writing on the wall in?

 

[investikater]

I don' think $600 a week would be enough for an adult and two almost teenagers to live on.

I think maybe it is. Especially if only half of the kids costs or the kids half the time.

I reckon she wouldn't have an expensive lifestyle.

She has a new house that she owns outright (I think?) No mortgage or much maintenance

It doesnt look like she is concerned with her physical appearance much so she wouldnt be spending on clothes or hairdressers etc

If the kids go to public school that is pretty cheap

She did have free childcare until a certain recent lunch

She is a foody so one of her biggest expenditures would be food. But she forages. Does she also garden? Hunt? All of those make it cheaper.

She's a loner and a homebody, so not spending on eating out or holidays or concerts etc

And she is an intellectual but she might go to the library instead of buying books etc.