Australia - 3 dead after eating wild mushrooms, Leongatha, Victoria, Aug 2023 #7 *Arrest*

[JBowie]

All attended except her husband Simon, who pulled out the day before.

But at what time that day before? It could've been 10pm or even later. Did he cancel by text message/email/phone call and was it directly or through another party?

I guess we will hear about that if and when he is called to the stand.

 

[JBowie]

Mr Mandy concedes [...]

... and hopes the jury members were all born yesterday, is my guess.

 

[Salah11]

I think the most horrifying part for me so far is the victims suspecting she had poisoned them. That dawning realisation must have been horrific.

Moo

 

[JBowie]

Sorry, but so far I don't see much reasonable doubt at all.

... IMO and it will only get worse from here on as the expert witnesses give testimony.

My prediction is that the Defence's strategy will be to try to sow doubt about all of that. If so, then good luck.

 

[JBowie]

I'm picturing the Prosecution's summing up: "Let me remind you of the litany of lies from the accused, all conceded by the Defence ..."

 

[Salah11]

Will the children testify do we think?

I mean if she claims they ate some of the pie but they didn’t then that needs to be cleared up. Plus her demeanor that night as they would of been around her.

 

[JBowie]

Will the children testify do we think?

I mean if she claims they ate some of the pie but they didn’t then that needs to be cleared up. Plus her demeanor that night as they would of been around her.

Good question. I wish we had the list of witnesses to be called by both sides.

 

[Detechtive]

Will the children testify do we think?

I mean if she claims they ate some of the pie but they didn’t then that needs to be cleared up. Plus her demeanor that night as they would of been around her.

I saw something that said they would be testifying via video

 

[JBowie]

I saw something that said they would be testifying via video

Can you find a link to that, please?

 

[Kittybunny]

Thank you to all who are posting updates!

Following from the US and just catching up on it all! To me, the most damning things presented thus far to point to guilt are:
1. The fake cancer diagnosis as a ruse to get everyone there
2. The lies about not foraging for mushrooms, trying to deflect blame onto some poor random Asian grocer
3. The trip to the area where death cap mushrooms were spotted the day after a report and warnings were posted on social media
4. The dehydrator - lying about it, discarding it, and the fact that it had death cap mushroom residue in it
5. The small, different colored plate (on its own could have other explanations but under the circumstances seems suspicious)
6. Her refusal to have herself and her children tested or admitted to the hospital knowing that her guests were poisoned and near death
7. The remote reset of her phone while in police custody - if I were innocent, no way would I do it even if police were going to find embarrassing stuff on there. If I were guilty and there was damning searches on there, 100 percent I would take my chances and do it.

Look forward to hearing more!

 

[Detechtive]

Alleged mushroom cook didn’t ingest death caps, ‘no record’ she had cancer, jury told: Trial day one, as it happened

Erin Patterson is facing trial after pleading not guilty over a fatal mushroom lunch. Today, Nanette Rogers, SC, will present the prosecution’s case against Patterson.

www.smh.com.au

 

[JBowie]

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Alleged mushroom cook didn’t ingest death caps, ‘no record’ she had cancer, jury told: Trial day one, as it happened

Erin Patterson is facing trial after pleading not guilty over a fatal mushroom lunch. Today, Nanette Rogers, SC, will present the prosecution’s case against Patterson.

www.smh.com.au

Thanks for that link.

Pre-rcorded evidence, so cannot be cross-examined.

 

[Bats]

This seems like it is going to be a very difficult case for Mr Mandy.
If only barristers were allowed to refuse clients, he may not be embroiled in this mess.

I have a feeling that defence barristers love these types of cases! Where the odds are stacked against their client winning, they relish the challenge.

 

[JBowie]

I have a feeling that defence barristers love these types of cases! Where the odds are stacked against their client winning, they relish the challenge.

IMO there are challenges and there are missions impossible.

I've heard surgeons talk about undertaking 'heroic' operations -- heroic as in no one else would dare.

But hey, they get paid either way.

 

[JLZ]

Thanks for that link.

Pre-rcorded evidence, so cannot be cross-examined.

Couldn't they have been cross-examined at the time of recording?

 

[Ellery84]

I think the most horrifying part for me so far is the victims suspecting she had poisoned them. That dawning realisation must have been horrific.

Moo

Can you imagine? Like the relative who questioned what Erin had a different plate, and then she passed away. The concept is horrifying.

 

[Bats]

DBM

 

[Ellery84]

Couldn't they have been cross-examined at the time of recording?

No, I don’t believe so. It will just be testimony.

 

[Ellery84]

... IMO and it will only get worse from here on as the expert witnesses give testimony.

My prediction is that the Defence's strategy will be to try to sow doubt about all of that. If so, then good luck.

I agree - I think they will try to create some reasonable doubt, but realistically, I think the defence is cooked and won’t fare particularly well.

 

[boomburger]

Lack of motive will be inconsequential for the jury when determining whether the accused is guilty or innocent of the crime, in this trial.

True but as humans we need things to make sense for us, we need a reason as to why she poisoned her in-laws, even if its as clichéd as "because she's a psychopath", even if a motive is not needed for a verdict. I imagine her defence will later bring up "why would she poison them?".