Australia - 3 dead after eating wild mushrooms, Leongatha, Victoria, Aug 2023 #9 *Arrest*

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In answer to this post from last thread @Jess D - not deleted. You can still read about his illness.



 
It’s been posted here before, but reminder of this article from 2023 where Erin describes to someone her childhood and relationship w her mother:

In the messages, which were sent shortly after her mother Heather Scutter’s death in 2019, Ms Patterson described her as a “cold robot”.

“My mum was ultra weird her whole life,” she wrote.

“We had a horrible upbringing. Mum was essentially a cold robot.

“It was like being brought up in a Russian orphanage where they don’t touch babies.”

In the messages, first reported by the Herald Sun, Ms Patterson also claimed her late father Eitan Scutter was “a doormat”.

I see too often that we try to figure out the whys when it comes to murder. A lot of us project our own sense of empathy and morality onto these perpetrators when many are psychopaths so they aren't really very human.

I can notionally understand some murders where they are heat of the moment - for instance, someone finds their partner cheating on them and "snaps", or a mother finds out someone harmed her child and "Snaps", but premeditated murders never make rational sense when you consider the consequences to everyone involved, even if there seems to be a logical motive, IMO.
 

In answer to this post from last thread @Jess D - not deleted. You can still read about his illness.



Thank you so much.
 
Does anyone think the defence might suggest that Erin collected the poisonous mushrooms intentionally with a view to poisoning herself?--mainly because she believed she had ovarian cancer. Perhaps she intended to do it at that very meal, but despite her care with the plates, the batches got confused. Her diarrhoea was not faked, but it was mild to moderate, did not last very long, and was caused by whatever real condition she had which she had mistaken for cancer.
 
Does anyone think the defence might suggest that Erin collected the poisonous mushrooms intentionally with a view to poisoning herself?--mainly because she believed she had ovarian cancer. Perhaps she intended to do it at that very meal, but despite her care with the plates, the batches got confused. Her diarrhoea was not faked, but it was mild to moderate, did not last very long, and was caused by whatever real condition she had which she had mistaken for cancer.
I wouldn't think so, no. So you believe that Erin really thought she had ovarian cancer? I think she invented the whole story. In regards to her having diarrhoea if she really did have it, she might have taken something, like a mild laxative etc. to cause it.
 
I wouldn't think so, no. So you believe that Erin really thought she had ovarian cancer? I think she invented the whole story. In regards to her having diarrhoea if she really did have it, she might have taken something, like a mild laxative etc. to cause it.
There ought to be medical records to show whether or not she was being investigated for a mysterious condition. If records are produced that show that she wasn't--a simple Medicare history, the list of item numbers, can show what scans and pathology tests she had, for example--it will be very hard to argue that she believed she was terminally ill. We couldn't believe Belle Gibson genuinely believed that she had cancer, and Erin is a lot more intelligent than Belle Gibson.
 
There ought to be medical records to show whether or not she was being investigated for a mysterious condition. If records are produced that show that she wasn't--a simple Medicare history, the list of item numbers, can show what scans and pathology tests she had, for example--it will be very hard to argue that she believed she was terminally ill. We couldn't believe Belle Gibson genuinely believed that she had cancer, and Erin is a lot more intelligent than Belle Gibson.

It is already established that she didn't have cancer.
 
There ought to be medical records to show whether or not she was being investigated for a mysterious condition. If records are produced that show that she wasn't--a simple Medicare history, the list of item numbers, can show what scans and pathology tests she had, for example--it will be very hard to argue that she believed she was terminally ill. We couldn't believe Belle Gibson genuinely believed that she had cancer, and Erin is a lot more intelligent than Belle Gibson.

Seeing how bad Erins alleged murder plot turned out, I would seriously argue that Erin is more intelligent than Belle Gibson.
 
I am thinking of Erin's messages to her online friends - the ones where she wrote how she had employed a cleaner, but not told Simon. And how he didn't help around the house. On and on complaining and blaming. At the time he was working fulltime as an engineer, or whatever he is, and she was a "stay at home" mother (with both children in school). So what did she do all day? Apart from complaining online. I think she was the lazy one, not him. Did she ever not complain about anyone?
 
It is already established that she didn't have cancer.
It's established that she had not and has not been diagnosed with cancer: which is not the same as definitively not having cancer, and is not the same as not having at least some grounds for believing that she did have cancer.

. . . if you can find your way through my forest of negatives.
 
It's established that she had not and has not been diagnosed with cancer: which is not the same as definitively not having cancer, and is not the same as not having at least some grounds for believing that she did have cancer.

As above, in Erin's medical history, it was reported that the only recent cancer related item was on March 24, 2023 when she had received confirmation that she tested negative for cervical cancer after her five-yearly self-administered screening test. This is four months prior to the luncheon.
If that somehow led her to believe that she had ovarian cancer (in her elbow, no less), her problems are worse than we imagined.

I think it's more likely that the self screening test prompted the idea for the premiss of the luncheon.

One month prior to the luncheon, Erin told Donald and Gail that she had an appointment with St Vincent's Hospital, and tells Gail the next day a biopsy was taken of a lump in her elbow.

This has been proven to be a lie, and it appears that she was setting the narrative for the later 'concerning medical news' that she needed to share with them at the luncheon.

ETA - Source
 
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On the day before the luncheon, Erin told Donald and Gail that she had an appointment with St Vincent's Hospital, and tells Gail the next day a biopsy was taken of a lump in her elbow.
This has been proven to be a lie.
I'd be interested to see a link to say that she didn't have a biopsy of a lump in her elbow.

But in any case it doesn't make sense. She can't be basing her cancer diagnosis on the biopsy, firstly because it's unlikely she'd have the result already, secondly because she already knew about her "serious health condition" and her need to discuss it with the family, when was it, a week before then?

Edit: THANK YOU MARG!
 
If that somehow led her to believe that she had ovarian cancer (in her elbow, no less), her problems are worse than we imagined

Apologies, as I have no idea where the elbow/ovarian cancer thing came from in relation to this trial.

However.... there is such a thing as "referred pain"....

  • Referred Pain:
    Ovarian cancer can cause pain in other areas of the body, including the elbow, through referred pain. This occurs when pain signals from the ovary travel along nerve pathways and are perceived in a different location.
 

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