Australia AUSTRALIA - 4YO AUGUST (GUS) Missing from rural family home in Outback, Yunta, South Australia, 27th Sept 2025

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Except the haphazard boards are not within the red circle on the DM's photo. Their red circle encompasses the trommel and the sandpile. The red circle line splits through the blue object on the right. They seem to be indicating that the sand pile is a mine?

I am guessing that is their opinion, as there is no information provided as to why they think there is a mine outside the house near the trommel.


ETA: This is a replica of the red circle the DM placed around the trommel and the 'mine'. My green line is their red line.

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No mine shaft in sight, lol. And the boards behind are surely just some sort of table, with pieces of timber laid on top?. Looks like a makeshift outdoor work table to me, possibly for sawing pieces of wood. Moo

As to the DM's latest ( headline "Locals Horrified..." et. al), I have no access. DM appears to be paywalling more frequently of late ( this brings in subscribers I suppose,). But moo my conjecture is the claim of a mine shaft right there is unlikely to be factually based. You have access right, and you don't mention the DM sourcing the claim in any way, shape or form?

Purely guessing here, it's probably a stretched interpretation of either comments mined from public social media posts or something said by a Yunta local. Whatever the truth, without a clear source or any specified source (?), truck load of salt required Jmo.

Adding: Having just read a summary of this DM article ( headline "Furious Aussies..." et.al also paywalled ) provided upthread by @essareem, it appears the Police refused to speak directly with the DM reporter. I don't blame them. Moo the questions asked, including 'why are you only searching these mine shafts now' ( paraphrased), were already answered in the SAPOL public announcement about the search. Jmo

EBM added headline of second pay walled DM report re mineshaft search.
 
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  • #3,482
If the police only found the mines via the drone they didn't research very well as I posted to links above to the mines searched.
 
  • #3,483
If the police only found the mines via the drone they didn't research very well as I posted to links above to the mines searched.

I think your link explains that the survey was requested by A Tiver from Spring Dam Station, and Wheal Motley is 6.5km south of Oak Park homestead.

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  • #3,484

Inspection of mine shafts complete in search for missing boy Gus​


26 Nov 2025 1:13pm
Police will today conclude a search at several locations on and around Oak Park Station for missing four-year-old Gus Lamont.
The searching has involved the inspection of six mine shafts, and several locations identified following analysis of aerial mapping and imaging conducted following recent ground searches.

The inspection of the mine shafts, located between 5.5km and 12km from the Oak Park homestead, did not locate any evidence to assist in the investigation into Gus' disappearance.

Several of the shafts were relatively shallow and could be visually inspected but the remainder were up to 20 metres deep and specialised equipment was required to complete the searches.

The locations being searched on foot today by STAR Group and Task Force Horizon officers are located up to 10km from the homestead. These locations are outside of the 5.5km radius from the homestead already subjected to extensive ground searching.

The family of Gus have been advised of the results of the renewed searching and are being supported by a victim contact officer.

Task Force Horizon officers have not ruled out returning to the property as the investigation continues.

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  • #3,485
60,000 hectares.
I think it's hard for some to take in how huge the property is.
Just to illustrate the size of 60 000 ha: it is larger than the Isle of Man in the UK and twice the area of the country of Malta (all islands together). So one family owns an area that could host ca 85 000 rural Brits or 1 000 000 Maltese in their towns an villages. If it were a circle, it would be a radius of ca 14 km (8.7 miles), so a diameter of 28 km (17.4 miles). Per google maps, it takes ca 6 h 20 min to walk 28 km.
 
  • #3,486
I think if gus just got ,lost he is around the homestead not further afield hence no tracks and from knowledge of other searches in other case it wouldn't come as a shock if he was in the trench beside the sandpile and when he fell in dirt on the sides caved and he became covered , he is small so wouldn't take a lot to conceal him , because of the dryness of the land ( baked earth) it may not even look disturbed .
Normally Earth that is dry on top might have a moist layer underneath but if the earth is scorched it may have to reach a certain depth before any moisture would be visible. Because it is " caked' it may just not show signs of disturbance . And fortunately or unfortunately whatever way you want to look at it buried bodies don't give off a scent as they decompose and insects such as flies may not be noticed if flies are normally a nuisance anyway with it being a sheep station imo
 
  • #3,487
Except the haphazard boards are not within the red circle on the DM's photo. Their red circle encompasses the trommel and the sandpile. The red circle line splits through the blue object on the right. They seem to be indicating that the sand pile is a mine?

I am guessing that is their opinion, as there is no information provided as to why they think there is a mine outside the house near the trommel.


ETA: This is a replica of the red circle the DM placed around the trommel and the 'mine'. My green line is their red line.

View attachment 626909 Link
Maybe the sand pile is from the trench on the left. What is that all about ?

I’m a bushie but no way I’d have my 4 year old playing unsupervised around all that stuff.
And if this is why Josh has been said to label the place unsafe for the children, I agree with him.
 
  • #3,488

"Police will descend more mineshafts under gruelling conditions on Wednesday in the search for Gus Lamont,
prompting one former investigator
to suggest detectives must now confront all possibilities including
'human intervention'.

'The fact
that they're searching so far away from where Gus first disappeared suggests to me
they're looking at possible intervention',
he said."
BBM - said former homicide detective Gary Jubelin, who is not involved in the search, told the Today Show police would "look back at all the information they've got and explore all the opportunities".
 
  • #3,489
As far as I know Josh hasn't gone into details about why he thought the property was dangerous.

Is there a link where he mentions the sand pile, or goes into any detail about what he considers dangerous.
 
  • #3,490
As far as I know Josh hasn't gone into details about why he thought the property was dangerous.

Is there a link where he mentions the sand pile, or goes into any detail about what he considers dangerous.
No, there’s no details about why.

Josh has never given a comment to the media about this case.

IMO
 
  • #3,491
As far as I know Josh hasn't gone into details about why he thought the property was dangerous.

Is there a link where he mentions the sand pile, or goes into any detail about what he considers dangerous.
I think the only comment about Josh thinking the property was dangerous came from a friend of the family rather than the man himself
 
  • #3,492
Except the haphazard boards are not within the red circle on the DM's photo. Their red circle encompasses the trommel and the sandpile. The red circle line splits through the blue object on the right. They seem to be indicating that the sand pile is a mine?

I am guessing that is their opinion, as there is no information provided as to why they think there is a mine outside the house near the trommel.


ETA: This is a replica of the red circle the DM placed around the trommel and the 'mine'. My green line is their red line.

View attachment 626909 Link

I do not take notice of red circles placed on media articles (DM in particular) as in my observation they rarely ever indicate anything and are purely there to grab attention, curiosity and clicks. IMO.



I think the only comment about Josh thinking the property was dangerous came from a friend of the family rather than the man himself

As far as I know Josh hasn't gone into details about why he thought the property was dangerous.

Is there a link where he mentions the sand pile, or goes into any detail about what he considers dangerous.

Agreed. I do not believe it has been stated why and was a comment from someone else.
 
  • #3,493
Thank you! I don't do face book anymore so can't access this link. Doesn't matter now though. My questions were answered by @musicaljoke upthread. The NZ Herald report confirms Jason O'Connel was a volunteer searcher and former SES Emergency worker. No mention of him being a tracker/ former tracker. And not the tracker utilised by the police. Additionally, there's no mention of Mr Connelly using tracking skills during his time searching. Perhaps this is highlighted in another report but for now I'm assuming he isn't a tracker. Jmo
 
  • #3,494
<modsnip>

The aboriginal tracker who did NOT find ANY trace of Gus was named Ronald Boland, hired by LE, a tracker since age 13.

In the paywalled DM article below, Boland is quoted saying something like (I paraphrase), 'one day I'll tell the story about Gus'. That led some here to think Roland discovered things he can't yet say.

The telegraph article has a good description of early searches (sniffer dogs, horses, drones, helicopters), and yes, an aboriginal tracker hired by LE.



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  • #3,495
For anyone interested in listening to an update and discussion from earlier this week on Australian daily news podcast, “The Briefing”, here from about 3:15…

I believe it is available on a couple of platforms - this link is on Spotify:

The Briefing | The search for Gus Lamont

"What happened to Gus Lamont? The 4-year-old has been missing for almost 8 weeks after vanishing from his family’s property in outback South Australia. Now, authorities say they are searching disused mine shafts in the area, as they desperately search for any new clues. In this episode of The Briefing, Natarsha Belling is joined by forensic anthropologist Xanthe Mallet, who explains what investigators may be looking for and why she believes Gus’s disappearance is one of Australia’s most baffling cases."
 
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  • #3,496
Hmm, this piqued my interest, so I had a look at some child abduction stats...

The USA's NISMART studies seem to have the most data that I can find. The NISMART-2 appears to be the most comprehensive cycle available - which estimates that of all "caretaker missing" episodes (about 1.3 million annually), roughly 9% involved family abductions and 3% nonfamily abductions—for a total of ~12% human agency cases. (Note: These are episode based estimates, not just police reports, so they capture unreported cases too.)

Family abductions (the bulk of the 12%) disproportionately affect kids under 6, who made up 44% of victims despite being only ~11-12% of all missing children overall. Nonfamily cases skew older (mostly teens), but the very young tilt the overall abduction rate upward in that demographic.

For unresolved cases after weeks/months... Most missing episodes resolve quickly (e.g. 46% of family abductions last <1 week, and ~99% of all runaways return within a year), so abductions loom larger in the lingering pool - 21% of family abductions go a month+, with 6% still unresolved at survey time, versus near zero for benign "lost / injured" cases. Among long-term recoveries (6+ months), runaways are 97%, meaning the remaining ~3% (abductions, etc.) represent a much higher abduction proportion than the overall 12%.

Sources:
NISMART Overview (PDF)
NISMART Highlights Bulletin (PDF)
NISMART Family Abductions Report (PDF)
NCMEC Long-Term Missing Analysis (Webpage)

Caretaker missing episodes = the caretaker did not know where the child was, became alarmed for at least an hour, and looked for the child.

These are interesting stats, but not 100% relevant in this case. If anyone else has previously done any research into stats that would fit this case, I'd love to hear it, I just don't have the time to go through it all.

As for the odds of "him coming upon a mineshaft hole 5.5 to 12 kilometers away from the homestead in any direction on a property so vast" as per @statt#1, I'm not smart enough for that, I think we'd need to call in the big guns, like @Total_C

But, I do think that sounds highly unlikely, UNLESS - unless he had previously been to the mineshaft with one of his family members, and become curious about it from that, which would make sense as he might remember how to get to it. However, I would think in that case, this hypothetical mineshaft would have been brought up by the family to police in the beginning. IMO.

I'm a bit late, I wasn't on in time yesterday to see this before LE finished searching the shafts, but I have permission from Total_C to post this awesome probability check:

"A simple probability check on the “wandered into a mineshaft” idea

I wanted to sanity-check the notion that a just-turned-4-year-old wandered off around 5 pm in late September and somehow ended up in one of six mine shafts located between 5.5 and 12 km from the homestead. This is purely geometry and physical limits.

1. How far a 4-year-old can realistically travel

To give this scenario every benefit of the doubt:

Walking speed for a small child in that terrain is roughly 2 km/h.
Maximum continuous movement before dark, cold and exhaustion is about 4 hours.

This gives an upper-limit straight-line radius of 8 km. That already assumes no stopping, no crying, no fear, no lying down, no looping, no terrain issues and perfect direction. Anything at 12 km is essentially out of physical reach.

2. Size of the actual target

Even being generous, if each shaft is roughly 5 m by 5 m, that is 25 m² of surface opening per shaft.

Six shafts give a combined “danger zone” of about 150 m².

3. Area the child could be in

A circle with an 8 km radius covers:

π × 8000² ≈ 201,000,000 m²

Now compare that with the combined 150 m² footprint of the shafts.

150 divided by 201,000,000 ≈ 0.00000075

That equals about 0.000075 per cent, or roughly one chance in 1.3 million.

This is already using extremely favourable assumptions for the shaft scenario.

4. Real behaviour makes the odds even lower

Four-year-olds almost never walk in a continuous straight line for hours. They wander, turn back, sit, hide, cry, freeze from fear or darkness and are slowed by terrain. All of this reduces the realistic radius, not increases it. Which means the shafts at 5.5 to 12 km lie well outside typical child-wander distances.

5. What this means once you add the known behaviour

The maths alone makes the “wandered into a distant shaft” scenario microscopic. But when you place that next to the post-incident family behaviour, which many have noted as atypical for a missing-child situation, it becomes even harder to support the wander-off theory.

The elements most people find unusual are:

• delayed reporting timeline
• hostility toward media contact
• communicating only through intermediaries
• unusual living arrangements, with the father living elsewhere from the mother and children
• complete absence from media appeals or public pleas for assistance

Individually, some of these could be explained away. Taken together, they form a pattern that does not align with what we normally see in genuine missing-child incidents where families desperately seek attention, exposure and help.

When you combine the statistical improbability with the behavioural context, the “wandered off and fell into a distant shaft” explanation becomes extraordinarily weak.

From a numbers standpoint alone, it simply does not hold weight."
 
  • #3,497
<modsnip>

The aboriginal tracker who did NOT find ANY trace of Gus was named Ronald Boland, hired by LE, a tracker since age 13.

In the paywalled DM article below, Boland is quoted saying something like (I paraphrase), 'one day I'll tell the story about Gus'. That led some here to think Roland discovered things he can't yet say.

The telegraph article has a good description of early searches (sniffer dogs, horses, drones, helicopters), and yes, an aboriginal tracker hired by LE.



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Just to add ... it is not really clear what areas Ronald inspected. I know that the police called him in after they found the footprint at the dam.

And there are photos of Ronald riding a green dirt bike on the property - which wouldn't be conducive to finding any potential small traces in the areas he rode through. Presumably he got off the bike to examine the area of the dam at least.

imo
 
  • #3,498
When you combine the statistical improbability with the behavioural context, the “wandered off and fell into a distant shaft” explanation becomes extraordinarily weak.
RSBM
Excellent analysis by @Total_C, as usual. Thank you for sharing their post, @essareem.

This of course supports what several of us here thought about the odds Gus wandeed into any of those 6 mine shafts, either the evening of 27/9 or the next day.

What I am left with is the question whether LE searched those mine shafts to eliminate a burial location for Gus. IOW, perhaps his body got their with help.

The same question has come up with the larger dam that was drained, given similar geometric and physiological factors, as well as no known foot prints at the edges.

IMO.
 
  • #3,499
Re Gus having recently turned 4. I have seen this written several times, but cannot find an actual link. I think there is an assumption that he was named after the month of his birth.
August is a common Germanic first name. We don't really know when his birthday was. He may be close to 5, or closer to aged 3. We don't know.
 
  • #3,500
The elements most people find unusual are:

• delayed reporting timeline
• hostility toward media contact
• communicating only through intermediaries
• unusual living arrangements, with the father living elsewhere from the mother and children
• complete absence from media appeals or public pleas for assistance

Individually, some of these could be explained away. Taken together, they form a pattern that does not align with what we normally see in genuine missing-child incidents where families desperately seek attention, exposure and help.
Rsbm

In my opinion, the reason for many of these is tied to the genuinely unusual circumstances of where they live. When a child goes missing from a more populated area, it is so important to get the child’s picture into the public eye and raise public awareness since random people could potentially see the missing child. It becomes a necessary evil for grieving parents regardless of how difficult it is for them to appear in the media and share photos of their child, etc.

In this case, though, with the remote location, the only people who are likely to come across him already know what he looks like and that he is missing. So public appeals and media attention have only downsides. It doesn’t seem suspicious at all to me that they are acting differently to other families in this situation.
 

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