Australia AUSTRALIA - 4YO AUGUST (GUS) Missing from rural family home in Outback, Yunta, South Australia, 27th Sept 2025

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Last night on ABC Radio, somebody called in to answer a question. He then said that he and his friend "Fleur" are the only 2 people actually searching for Gus. He was then put back on task of answering the question.

Source: ABC Radio

The latest news article I have seen says the mines have been searched and that they have come up with nothing of significance (my words). I also remember reading in another news article that another farm in the area was still finding undocumented and unmapped mines and shafts on their own property.
This would mean that an undocumented and unmapped mine or shaft may exist on this child's GM farm, and that this child has found it, unfortunately.
It's possible he tried to go in the direction that his mother and GM went when looking for the sheep, and he encountered one of these pitfalls (mines or shafts).

I am thinking back to when I lived on a farm, and my 4-year-old decided to wander away from the house. Curiosity saw him covered in used oil from an oil drum that the neighbour had in one of their farm sheds. And yes, my child was fenced in in a play area when he disappeared. Unfortunately, children do get bored, and they do "explore." Thankfully, I found him before he encountered a worse outcome.

10 minutes, they (GM and Mother) said, was the duration of time that they were out looking for the lost sheep. In 10 minutes (at a minimum), children can travel some distance, and/or they can get themselves into situations that they can't get themselves out of. And that's not saying that at exactly the 10-minute mark, the child stopped travelling, as that would be an assumption if I were to conclude that.

This child cannot survive long without fluid/water (3-4 days).

The only way that I can fathom that he would have survived this long away from his family is if he had been taken. And while I do remember one case where a young child was taken/abducted in Australia and found 18 days later was wee Cleo Smith, but I understand that her recovery was deemed extremely rare.
 
  • #3,522
The latest news article I have seen says the mines have been searched and that they have come up with nothing of significance (my words). I also remember reading in another news article that another farm in the area was still finding undocumented and unmapped mines and shafts on their own property.
This would mean that an undocumented and unmapped mine or shaft may exist on this child's GM farm, and that this child has found it, unfortunately.
It's possible he tried to go in the direction that his mother and GM went when looking for the sheep, and he encountered one of these pitfalls (mines or shafts).

I am thinking back to when I lived on a farm, and my 4-year-old decided to wander away from the house. Curiosity saw him covered in used oil from an oil drum that the neighbour had in one of their farm sheds. And yes, my child was fenced in in a play area when he disappeared. Unfortunately, children do get bored, and they do "explore." Thankfully, I found him before he encountered a worse outcome.

10 minutes, they (GM and Mother) said, was the duration of time that they were out looking for the lost sheep. In 10 minutes (at a minimum), children can travel some distance, and/or they can get themselves into situations that they can't get themselves out of. And that's not saying that at exactly the 10-minute mark, the child stopped travelling, as that would be an assumption if I were to conclude that.

This child cannot survive long without fluid/water (3-4 days).

The only way that I can fathom that he would have survived this long away from his family is if he had been taken. And while I do remember one case where a young child was taken/abducted in Australia and found 18 days later was wee Cleo Smith, but I understand that her recovery was deemed extremely rare.
I didn't know they were only gone for 10 minutes. I had assumed it was a longer time.
 
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10 minutes, they (GM and Mother) said, was the duration of time that they were out looking for the lost sheep. In 10 minutes (at a minimum), children can travel some distance, and/or they can get themselves into situations that they can't get themselves out of. And that's not saying that at exactly the 10-minute mark, the child stopped travelling, as that would be an assumption if I were to conclude that.

I think that what was said is that mum and grandparent had travelled about 10 km away to tend the sheep (or fix fences, or find lost sheep, or whatever reason MSM has decided).

I haven't seen anything that says that they were looking for sheep for 10 minutes?

imo

The boy’s mother and his other grandparent were 10km away, tending to the station’s sheep.
 
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Last night on ABC Radio, somebody called in to answer a question. He then said that he and his friend "Fleur" are the only 2 people actually searching for Gus. He was then put back on task of answering the question.

Source: ABC Radio
What time was this roughly? Was it on a particular program? Other's maybe able to listen on playback radio.
 
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I think that what was said is that mum and grandparent had travelled about 10 km away to tend the sheep (or fix fences, or find lost sheep, or whatever reason MSM has decided).

I haven't seen anything that says that they were looking for sheep for 10 minutes?

imo

The boy’s mother and his other grandparent were 10km away, tending to the station’s sheep.
I stand corrected. The child's mother was 10 KM away, not 10 minutes. My apologies.
 
  • #3,526
Little Gus seems to have outfoxed one of the most skilled and technologically sophisticated search and rescue operations in the region.
 
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I'm a bit late, I wasn't on in time yesterday to see this before LE finished searching the shafts, but I have permission from Total_C to post this awesome probability check:

"A simple probability check on the “wandered into a mineshaft” idea

I wanted to sanity-check the notion that a just-turned-4-year-old wandered off around 5 pm in late September and somehow ended up in one of six mine shafts located between 5.5 and 12 km from the homestead. This is purely geometry and physical limits.

1. How far a 4-year-old can realistically travel

To give this scenario every benefit of the doubt:

Walking speed for a small child in that terrain is roughly 2 km/h.
Maximum continuous movement before dark, cold and exhaustion is about 4 hours.

This gives an upper-limit straight-line radius of 8 km. That already assumes no stopping, no crying, no fear, no lying down, no looping, no terrain issues and perfect direction. Anything at 12 km is essentially out of physical reach.

2. Size of the actual target

Even being generous, if each shaft is roughly 5 m by 5 m, that is 25 m² of surface opening per shaft.

Six shafts give a combined “danger zone” of about 150 m².

3. Area the child could be in

A circle with an 8 km radius covers:

π × 8000² ≈ 201,000,000 m²

Now compare that with the combined 150 m² footprint of the shafts.

150 divided by 201,000,000 ≈ 0.00000075

That equals about 0.000075 per cent, or roughly one chance in 1.3 million.

This is already using extremely favourable assumptions for the shaft scenario.

4. Real behaviour makes the odds even lower

Four-year-olds almost never walk in a continuous straight line for hours. They wander, turn back, sit, hide, cry, freeze from fear or darkness and are slowed by terrain. All of this reduces the realistic radius, not increases it. Which means the shafts at 5.5 to 12 km lie well outside typical child-wander distances.

5. What this means once you add the known behaviour

The maths alone makes the “wandered into a distant shaft” scenario microscopic. But when you place that next to the post-incident family behaviour, which many have noted as atypical for a missing-child situation, it becomes even harder to support the wander-off theory.

The elements most people find unusual are:

• delayed reporting timeline
• hostility toward media contact
• communicating only through intermediaries
• unusual living arrangements, with the father living elsewhere from the mother and children
• complete absence from media appeals or public pleas for assistance

Individually, some of these could be explained away. Taken together, they form a pattern that does not align with what we normally see in genuine missing-child incidents where families desperately seek attention, exposure and help.

When you combine the statistical improbability with the behavioural context, the “wandered off and fell into a distant shaft” explanation becomes extraordinarily weak.

From a numbers standpoint alone, it simply does not hold weight."


While I agree on the premise that it is improbable to have occurred 12 km away, it is not improbable to have occurred within close vicinity to the house, if a shaft or mine exists closer to the house than is known. This is still probable (no matter the percentage of probability) until it is deemed improbable by ground scanning the entire area. Freak accidents are exactly that, freak accidents. The probability of a freak accident occurring may be 1% but even at a low percentage, it is still possible. Nothing can be negated or ruled out, to be fair and accurate, until there is zero percent probability.

Not wanting media attention may have nothing to do with Gus but rather fear of the focus going on his GM for the gender change as opposed to the grandson, because he is missing. Unfortunately, stigma is still alive and well, and sometimes the media "throws spaghetti at the wall to see what sticks", so to speak.

Delayed reporting may be because they didn't think he was missing, perhaps they thought he would show his wee face any minute. Then the minutes became longer until they realised that there was nothing else that they could do on their own and that they needed assistance if they were to find their son/grandson.

Father and mother may not be in a domestic relationship anymore. If this is the case, then no, it would not be unusual for them to live in separate abodes, and it would not be unusual for this child's mother to live at home where there is family support for her and her child.

Hostility towards media, oh, I can absolutely understand that! My SIL had collapsed on the front lawn of her home while the fire brigade was trying to get her young son's body out of a burning building, and the media was in her face, trying to catch her emotions for their audience. My MIL didn't take kindly to it either and physically pushed the media off of their property. The media can be.... let's say...more interested in a story than the emotional toll being experienced by a mother and/or family.


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I have wondered if his mother had left the homestead in a vehicle to check on the sheep, and he was hiding in the vehicle, or if any other family members had come and gone during that time. This would give an opportunity for Gus to leave the property without leaving any evidence behind.

Just what if........ the grandmother remembers the timeline incorrectly for reasons unknown.

Just what if....... the daughter left just after her mother went inside.

Just what if .......... not everything is as it was remembered.

What then, what difference could that make?

Could it explain how Gus had "disappeared" without a trace?
 
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"From Beaumont children to Gus Lamont,

South Australia’s painful history of missing persons

drives new police powers.


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More than 5000 missing persons cases
are reported in South Australia every year.

Police in South Australia have been handed stronger search and entry powers in high‑risk missing persons investigations,
a reform designed to give officers the ability to act faster when vulnerable people vanish.

The legislation,
passed through State Parliament,
allows senior officers to authorise entry into homes, vehicles, vessels or other places without the owner’s consent
if they reasonably suspect a missing person
— or information about them — is inside.

Authorisations can last up to 48 hours,
after which police must seek approval from a Supreme Court judge to continue."

Interesting… Hmmm 🤔
 
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Dbm
 
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I'm a bit late, I wasn't on in time yesterday to see this before LE finished searching the shafts, but I have permission from Total_C to post this awesome probability check:

"A simple probability check on the “wandered into a mineshaft” idea

I wanted to sanity-check the notion that a just-turned-4-year-old wandered off around 5 pm in late September and somehow ended up in one of six mine shafts located between 5.5 and 12 km from the homestead. This is purely geometry and physical limits.

1. How far a 4-year-old can realistically travel

To give this scenario every benefit of the doubt:

Walking speed for a small child in that terrain is roughly 2 km/h.
Maximum continuous movement before dark, cold and exhaustion is about 4 hours.

This gives an upper-limit straight-line radius of 8 km. That already assumes no stopping, no crying, no fear, no lying down, no looping, no terrain issues and perfect direction. Anything at 12 km is essentially out of physical reach.

2. Size of the actual target

Even being generous, if each shaft is roughly 5 m by 5 m, that is 25 m² of surface opening per shaft.

Six shafts give a combined “danger zone” of about 150 m².

3. Area the child could be in

A circle with an 8 km radius covers:

π × 8000² ≈ 201,000,000 m²

Now compare that with the combined 150 m² footprint of the shafts.

150 divided by 201,000,000 ≈ 0.00000075

That equals about 0.000075 per cent, or roughly one chance in 1.3 million.

This is already using extremely favourable assumptions for the shaft scenario.

4. Real behaviour makes the odds even lower

Four-year-olds almost never walk in a continuous straight line for hours. They wander, turn back, sit, hide, cry, freeze from fear or darkness and are slowed by terrain. All of this reduces the realistic radius, not increases it. Which means the shafts at 5.5 to 12 km lie well outside typical child-wander distances.

5. What this means once you add the known behaviour

The maths alone makes the “wandered into a distant shaft” scenario microscopic. But when you place that next to the post-incident family behaviour, which many have noted as atypical for a missing-child situation, it becomes even harder to support the wander-off theory.

The elements most people find unusual are:

• delayed reporting timeline
• hostility toward media contact
• communicating only through intermediaries
• unusual living arrangements, with the father living elsewhere from the mother and children
• complete absence from media appeals or public pleas for assistance

Individually, some of these could be explained away. Taken together, they form a pattern that does not align with what we normally see in genuine missing-child incidents where families desperately seek attention, exposure and help.

When you combine the statistical improbability with the behavioural context, the “wandered off and fell into a distant shaft” explanation becomes extraordinarily weak.

From a numbers standpoint alone, it simply does not hold weight."
the problem I have with all of this is: why didn't he cry out?
why didn't the family dogs (sheep herders?) or LE's dogs find him? he's a little
kid, so he would probably pee or poop within 12-24 hrs and that would be trackable.

It is such a remote area- he is a cute child, but who would have even seen him to want to
take him?
 
  • #3,532
This would mean that an undocumented and unmapped mine or shaft may exist on this child's GM farm, and that this child has found it,
Exactly, and also remember that just because it is undocumented and unmapped doesn't mean it is unknown, possible family, workers, etc have knowledge of it.
Little Gus seems to have outfoxed one of the most skilled and technologically sophisticated search and rescue operations in the region.
Little kids are very slippery little devils.
 
  • #3,533
Whoa, what? Sorry, can you give some more context?
There is no context. It was during the night on ABC Late Nights. There was a contest where you had to answer 2 questions. This bloke started talking randomly that missing kid Gus only has himself and 'Fleur' looking for him. Because it was so random, the announcer shut down that discussion and got on with the quiz.
 
  • #3,534
The latest news article I have seen says the mines have been searched and that they have come up with nothing of significance (my words). I also remember reading in another news article that another farm in the area was still finding undocumented and unmapped mines and shafts on their own property.
This would mean that an undocumented and unmapped mine or shaft may exist on this child's GM farm, and that this child has found it, unfortunately.
It's possible he tried to go in the direction that his mother and GM went when looking for the sheep, and he encountered one of these pitfalls (mines or shafts).

I am thinking back to when I lived on a farm, and my 4-year-old decided to wander away from the house. Curiosity saw him covered in used oil from an oil drum that the neighbour had in one of their farm sheds. And yes, my child was fenced in in a play area when he disappeared. Unfortunately, children do get bored, and they do "explore." Thankfully, I found him before he encountered a worse outcome.

10 minutes, they (GM and Mother) said, was the duration of time that they were out looking for the lost sheep. In 10 minutes (at a minimum), children can travel some distance, and/or they can get themselves into situations that they can't get themselves out of. And that's not saying that at exactly the 10-minute mark, the child stopped travelling, as that would be an assumption if I were to conclude that.

This child cannot survive long without fluid/water (3-4 days).

The only way that I can fathom that he would have survived this long away from his family is if he had been taken. And while I do remember one case where a young child was taken/abducted in Australia and found 18 days later was wee Cleo Smith, but I understand that her recovery was deemed extremely rare.
I haven't read they were only gone for 10 minutes. I have heard that they had gone 10 kilometres from the house to tend to sheep.
Do you have a link for them searching for sheep for only 10 minutes?
 
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What time was this roughly? Was it on a particular program? Other's maybe able to listen on playback radio.
It was ABC Radio Night Life. Could have been around 1-3 am. Quiz show. People had to answer 2 questions to go in the draw for a prize. This bloke simple went off track talking about Gus. The announcer cut him off and got back on topic.
 
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It was ABC Radio Night Life. Could have been around 1-3 am. Quiz show. People had to answer 2 questions to go in the draw for a prize. This bloke simple went off track talking about Gus. The announcer cut him off and got back on topic.

Sorry, I think it was overnights.
 
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the problem I have with all of this is: why didn't he cry out?
why didn't the family dogs (sheep herders?) or LE's dogs find him? he's a little
kid, so he would probably pee or poop within 12-24 hrs and that would be trackable.

It is such a remote area- he is a cute child, but who would have even seen him to want to

the problem I have with all of this is: why didn't he cry out?
why didn't the family dogs (sheep herders?) or LE's dogs find him? he's a little
kid, so he would probably pee or poop within 12-24 hrs and that would be trackable.

It is such a remote area- he is a cute child, but who would have even seen him to want to
take him?
Why is Fleur Tiver, from the neighbouring property, so adamant Gus wasn’t taken?
Is it because she would’ve seen or heard a vehicle as Oak Park Road passes close to her homestead and there was not a vehicle on that road September 27 until the police were called?
 
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Why is Fleur Tiver, from the neighbouring property, so adamant Gus wasn’t taken?
Is it because she would’ve seen or heard a vehicle as Oak Park Road passes close to her homestead and there was not a vehicle on that road September 27 until the police were called?

Fleur lives in the Adelaide Hills.

This is my previous post about this.


 
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Why is Fleur Tiver, from the neighbouring property, so adamant Gus wasn’t taken?
Is it because she would’ve seen or heard a vehicle as Oak Park Road passes close to her homestead and there was not a vehicle on that road September 27 until the police were called?
Don't like it when her and the police say "stop with the conspiracy theories" acting like Gus definitely wandered off and anyone who theorises otherwise is a looney, uneducated and a keyboard warrior.
 
  • #3,540
Fleur lives in the Adelaide Hills.

This is my previous post about this.


zesszesszess answered a question on here about the neighbouring property, Tiverton, belonging to Fleur Tiva . I shall go way back and try to find it
 

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