Australia AUSTRALIA - 4YO AUGUST (GUS) Missing from rural family home in Outback, Yunta, South Australia, 27th Sept 2025

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I'm a bit late, I wasn't on in time yesterday to see this before LE finished searching the shafts, but I have permission from Total_C to post this awesome probability check:

"A simple probability check on the “wandered into a mineshaft” idea

I wanted to sanity-check the notion that a just-turned-4-year-old wandered off around 5 pm in late September and somehow ended up in one of six mine shafts located between 5.5 and 12 km from the homestead. This is purely geometry and physical limits.

1. How far a 4-year-old can realistically travel

To give this scenario every benefit of the doubt:

Walking speed for a small child in that terrain is roughly 2 km/h.
Maximum continuous movement before dark, cold and exhaustion is about 4 hours.

This gives an upper-limit straight-line radius of 8 km. That already assumes no stopping, no crying, no fear, no lying down, no looping, no terrain issues and perfect direction. Anything at 12 km is essentially out of physical reach.

2. Size of the actual target

Even being generous, if each shaft is roughly 5 m by 5 m, that is 25 m² of surface opening per shaft.

Six shafts give a combined “danger zone” of about 150 m².

3. Area the child could be in

A circle with an 8 km radius covers:

π × 8000² ≈ 201,000,000 m²

Now compare that with the combined 150 m² footprint of the shafts.

150 divided by 201,000,000 ≈ 0.00000075

That equals about 0.000075 per cent, or roughly one chance in 1.3 million.

This is already using extremely favourable assumptions for the shaft scenario.

4. Real behaviour makes the odds even lower

Four-year-olds almost never walk in a continuous straight line for hours. They wander, turn back, sit, hide, cry, freeze from fear or darkness and are slowed by terrain. All of this reduces the realistic radius, not increases it. Which means the shafts at 5.5 to 12 km lie well outside typical child-wander distances.

5. What this means once you add the known behaviour

The maths alone makes the “wandered into a distant shaft” scenario microscopic. But when you place that next to the post-incident family behaviour, which many have noted as atypical for a missing-child situation, it becomes even harder to support the wander-off theory.

The elements most people find unusual are:

• delayed reporting timeline
• hostility toward media contact
• communicating only through intermediaries
• unusual living arrangements, with the father living elsewhere from the mother and children
• complete absence from media appeals or public pleas for assistance

Individually, some of these could be explained away. Taken together, they form a pattern that does not align with what we normally see in genuine missing-child incidents where families desperately seek attention, exposure and help.

When you combine the statistical improbability with the behavioural context, the “wandered off and fell into a distant shaft” explanation becomes extraordinarily weak.

From a numbers standpoint alone, it simply does not hold weight."

From the Police statement, it doesn't sound like the they were searching the mineshafts because they thought he may have stumbled into one. MOO

"We are determined to explore every avenue in an effort to locate Gus Lamont and provide some closure for his family,’’ she said.

“These searches will either locate evidence or eliminate these locations from further investigation by the Task Force.’’

This phase of the investigation is being conducted to ensure all locations of possible interest in a wide radius of the homestead are scrutinised to try and locate Gus Lamont"

https://www.police.sa.gov.au/sa-pol...-news/update-gus-lamont-search-on-25-november
 
  • #3,502
I’m suspecting foul play with whatever happened to Gus. I can’t shake the feeling.
 
  • #3,503
I’m suspecting foul play with whatever happened to Gus. I can’t shake the feeling.
It's starting to seem like that's about all that's left.
 
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Re Gus having recently turned 4. I have seen this written several times, but cannot find an actual link. I think there is an assumption that he was named after the month of his birth.
August is a common Germanic first name. We don't really know when his birthday was. He may be close to 5, or closer to aged 3. We don't know.

Numerous opening posts of this thread (including one from SAPOL no longer available) state that Gus was 4.
 
  • #3,506
From the Police statement, it doesn't sound like the they were searching the mineshafts because they thought he may have stumbled into one. MOO

"We are determined to explore every avenue in an effort to locate Gus Lamont and provide some closure for his family,’’ she said.

“These searches will either locate evidence or eliminate these locations from further investigation by the Task Force.’’

This phase of the investigation is being conducted to ensure all locations of possible interest in a wide radius of the homestead are scrutinised to try and locate Gus Lamont"

https://www.police.sa.gov.au/sa-pol...-news/update-gus-lamont-search-on-25-november
I agree. This was simply a due diligence search. There'll be public speculation going forward either way. In the mean time police will continue their analysis. My understanding is that additional tailored searches may happen down the line as the investigation proceeds.
 
  • #3,507
Numerous opening posts of this thread (including one from SAPOL no longer available) state that Gus was 4.
Yes we know he is 4. However my point was that some say he recently turned 4, which is not verified. Is he closer to being 3 or closer to being 5? Makes a lot of difference when we are discussing how far he might have walked.
 
  • #3,508
Rsbm

In my opinion, the reason for many of these is tied to the genuinely unusual circumstances of where they live. When a child goes missing from a more populated area, it is so important to get the child’s picture into the public eye and raise public awareness since random people could potentially see the missing child. It becomes a necessary evil for grieving parents regardless of how difficult it is for them to appear in the media and share photos of their child, etc.

In this case, though, with the remote location, the only people who are likely to come across him already know what he looks like and that he is missing. So public appeals and media attention have only downsides. It doesn’t seem suspicious at all to me that they are acting differently to other families in this situation.
I agree here. Moo cross case statistical comparisons aren't necessarily useful. The specific circumstances of this case need to be taken into account when proclaiming what is normal/abnormal. Moo looking at the reasons why missing person cases may play out differently in real time is important. The dynamics of each investigation, the circumstances surrounding when and where the person went missing and so forth. Jmo
 
  • #3,509
I agree. This was simply a due diligence search. There'll be public speculation going forward either way. In the mean time police will continue their analysis. My understanding is that additional tailored searches may happen down the line as the investigation proceeds.

Very much agree that this was due diligence @jepop and there there will possibly be further similar searches. Dotting their I's and crossing their t's.

Its an inevitability that searches like these will fuel public speculation, in my opinion.

i should have included in my post above that it is important to note that there is no change to the stance...

"Task Force Horizon is conducting multiple lines of inquiry to locate Gus Lamont. These investigations have not uncovered any evidence of foul play.

The family of Gus Lamont have continued to cooperate fully with police and are being supported by a victim contact officer."
 
  • #3,510
Looking at the photos of the property I noticed there seems to be a large amount of potential hazards that could easily lead to an accident. I’m just surprised there wasn’t a secured fenced area for him to play in especially because he’s only four and full of curiosity and wouldn’t understand the risks.
 
  • #3,511
As far as I know Josh hasn't gone into details about why he thought the property was dangerous.

Is there a link where he mentions the sand pile, or goes into any detail about what he considers dangerous.
No there’s no link where Josh mentions anything as he hasn’t spoken to the media.

I said ‘IF’ this is why ….
 
  • #3,512
Very much agree that this was due diligence @jepop and there there will possibly be further similar searches. Dotting their I's and crossing their t's.

Its an inevitability that searches like these will fuel public speculation, in my opinion.

i should have included in my post above that it is important to note that there is no change to the stance...

"Task Force Horizon is conducting multiple lines of inquiry to locate Gus Lamont. These investigations have not uncovered any evidence of foul play.

The family of Gus Lamont have continued to cooperate fully with police and are being supported by a victim contact officer."
It's very likely a bit of both due diligence and also searching a place he could be regardless of how he got there.
The police statements aren't going to say they suspect foul play unless they have arrested someone. They could have someone under surveillance and want them to feel comfortable so they may say or do something. The announcement of searches can cause anyone under surveillance to also do something or even a change in their attitude could lead LE to "test" them again. It's naive to think LE are not considering absolutely anything. We are just not going to see them change what they say in statements because it's not in the cases best interests.
LE best chance is via surveillance or someone coming clean because unless they find Gus any evidence is now likely gone.
IMOO I feel the odds of what happened is he's had an accident and for whatever reasons he was hidden.
No other reason even cones close to these odds as the likely scenario.
 
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MOO - I find it quite hard to believe that someone has made a leap from discovering an accident to someone under their care to covering it up by hiding that person with intent to hide forever. I would think that for most people if they had discovered someone severely injured or perished under accidental circumstance they would call for help, not decide to hide that person. Yes, it happens, but I just don’t buy it here.
 
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<modsnip: AI is not an approved source for facts in a case>

It is my hope that the family finds their wee one. I am a grandmother, and it has to be heartbreaking not knowing where this child is.

My thoughts are drawn to a barren-looking bush that has a tunnel/hole underneath it.
While I am an analytical person who has aphantasia, when I think of this wee one, my mind is drawn to a bush without any leaves on it. There is no logical reason to connect the two in my thoughts but yet here I am.
This is something that has drawn Gus's attention and curiosity, I feel.

Perhaps thinking like a 4-year-old when searching would draw more results than thinking like an adult?

My logical and analytical mind draws possible conclusions:
a) He wandered away by himself or
b) He has not left the property or
c) He was removed from the area

The child missing could be from:
a) Innocent adventurous childhood behaviour or
b) The child was removed from the area

The child will either be:
a) Alive
b) Deceased (sadly, I am leaning more towards this one)

It is my hope that this family is able to find some peace and that the universe discloses this child's current location.
 
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Last night on ABC Radio, somebody called in to answer a question. He then said that he and his friend "Fleur" are the only 2 people actually searching for Gus. He was then put back on task of answering the question.

Source: ABC Radio
 
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Last night on ABC Radio, somebody called in to answer a question. He then said that he and his friend "Fleur" are the only 2 people actually searching for Gus. He was then put back on task of answering the question.

Source: ABC Radio
Whoa, what? Sorry, can you give some more context?
 
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Last night on ABC Radio, somebody called in to answer a question. He then said that he and his friend "Fleur" are the only 2 people actually searching for Gus. He was then put back on task of answering the question.

Source: ABC Radio

The latest news article I have seen says the mines have been searched and that they have come up with nothing of significance (my words). I also remember reading in another news article that another farm in the area was still finding undocumented and unmapped mines and shafts on their own property.
This would mean that an undocumented and unmapped mine or shaft may exist on this child's GM farm, and that this child has found it, unfortunately.
It's possible he tried to go in the direction that his mother and GM went when looking for the sheep, and he encountered one of these pitfalls (mines or shafts).

I am thinking back to when I lived on a farm, and my 4-year-old decided to wander away from the house. Curiosity saw him covered in used oil from an oil drum that the neighbour had in one of their farm sheds. And yes, my child was fenced in in a play area when he disappeared. Unfortunately, children do get bored, and they do "explore." Thankfully, I found him before he encountered a worse outcome.

10 minutes, they (GM and Mother) said, was the duration of time that they were out looking for the lost sheep. In 10 minutes (at a minimum), children can travel some distance, and/or they can get themselves into situations that they can't get themselves out of. And that's not saying that at exactly the 10-minute mark, the child stopped travelling, as that would be an assumption if I were to conclude that.

This child cannot survive long without fluid/water (3-4 days).

The only way that I can fathom that he would have survived this long away from his family is if he had been taken. And while I do remember one case where a young child was taken/abducted in Australia and found 18 days later was wee Cleo Smith, but I understand that her recovery was deemed extremely rare.
 
  • #3,518
The latest news article I have seen says the mines have been searched and that they have come up with nothing of significance (my words). I also remember reading in another news article that another farm in the area was still finding undocumented and unmapped mines and shafts on their own property.
This would mean that an undocumented and unmapped mine or shaft may exist on this child's GM farm, and that this child has found it, unfortunately.
It's possible he tried to go in the direction that his mother and GM went when looking for the sheep, and he encountered one of these pitfalls (mines or shafts).

I am thinking back to when I lived on a farm, and my 4-year-old decided to wander away from the house. Curiosity saw him covered in used oil from an oil drum that the neighbour had in one of their farm sheds. And yes, my child was fenced in in a play area when he disappeared. Unfortunately, children do get bored, and they do "explore." Thankfully, I found him before he encountered a worse outcome.

10 minutes, they (GM and Mother) said, was the duration of time that they were out looking for the lost sheep. In 10 minutes (at a minimum), children can travel some distance, and/or they can get themselves into situations that they can't get themselves out of. And that's not saying that at exactly the 10-minute mark, the child stopped travelling, as that would be an assumption if I were to conclude that.

This child cannot survive long without fluid/water (3-4 days).

The only way that I can fathom that he would have survived this long away from his family is if he had been taken. And while I do remember one case where a young child was taken/abducted in Australia and found 18 days later was wee Cleo Smith, but I understand that her recovery was deemed extremely rare.
I didn't know they were only gone for 10 minutes. I had assumed it was a longer time.
 
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10 minutes, they (GM and Mother) said, was the duration of time that they were out looking for the lost sheep. In 10 minutes (at a minimum), children can travel some distance, and/or they can get themselves into situations that they can't get themselves out of. And that's not saying that at exactly the 10-minute mark, the child stopped travelling, as that would be an assumption if I were to conclude that.

I think that what was said is that mum and grandparent had travelled about 10 km away to tend the sheep (or fix fences, or find lost sheep, or whatever reason MSM has decided).

I haven't seen anything that says that they were looking for sheep for 10 minutes?

imo

The boy’s mother and his other grandparent were 10km away, tending to the station’s sheep.
 
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Last night on ABC Radio, somebody called in to answer a question. He then said that he and his friend "Fleur" are the only 2 people actually searching for Gus. He was then put back on task of answering the question.

Source: ABC Radio
What time was this roughly? Was it on a particular program? Other's maybe able to listen on playback radio.
 
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