Australia : Audrey Griffin, 19, Found deceased In Erina Creek- Central Coast NSW, 24th March 2024, 53yr old male arrested 21/4/25

[iamshadow21]

I don’t think there will be a great deal of sympathy for his death, however I feel
It’s relevant to make a few points (that I would only bother making on this forum of generally learned people). This case is tragic for SO many reasons. Aside from the fact that a completely innocent young girl has lost her life, my heart also broke when I saw that the alleged perpetrator was an Aboriginal man.
First Nations (indigenous) peoples of Australia make up only 3.5-4% of the total population but are significantly overrepresented in Australian prisons (around 35%). Our country has an appealing history of Indigenous deaths in custody. Aboriginal people live 10 years less on average than the general population, largely due to significant disadvantages in respect to social determinants, systemic racism, and intergenerational trauma. In the article, the alleged murdered says he had been up for 4-5 days so most likely on meth.
Further, this man had committed many previous domestic violence offences and consistently breached court-ordered AVOs…I’ve also seen reference to him being charged for previous offences including theft and larceny. Why was he allowed to just cruise around in normal society after exhibited repeated criminal behaviour, and particularly menacing and harassing behaviour towards women?
This confluence of factors is an absolute travesty and an indictment on much broader societal issues.
I am in NO WAY excusing this man’s behaviour. He took an innocent young life and probably permanently ruined many others. The whole thing is just so awful

It's a very hard thing.

I agree that he shouldn't have been outside to attack Audrey, but equally, why did he have the opportunity to kill himself when surely Silverwater staff would have known he was at risk for self harm given the seriousness of the charges.

We can also look at society and question whether culturally appropriate programs could have helped him moderate his violent behaviour and drug use.

But none of that erases the fact that he chose violence. And chose it again and again. He could have been empowered to make healthier choices, but ultimately, he chose violence. Towards others and himself.

It just feels like everyone got failed, really.

MOO

 

[bfew]

Silverwater staff would have known he was at risk for self harm given the seriousness of the charges.

It's not yet proven that Torrens death in custody this afternoon is not suspicious, and like Audrey's death, maybe there will be a 360 on this in the next month or so as more evidence comes to light.

 

[iamshadow21]

It's not yet proven that Torrens death in custody this afternoon is not suspicious, and like Audrey's death, maybe there will be a 360 on this in the next month or so as more evidence comes to light.

Man charged with Audrey Griffin's murder found dead in prison cell

The 53-year-old Sydney man accused of murdering the 19-year-old earlier this year has been found dead in his cell at Silverwater Correctional Complex.

www.abc.net.au

Quote: His death is not being treated as suspicious.

MOO

 

[Detechtive]

Man charged with Audrey Griffin's murder found dead in prison cell

The 53-year-old Sydney man accused of murdering the 19-year-old earlier this year has been found dead in his cell at Silverwater Correctional Complex.

www.abc.net.au

Quote: His death is not being treated as suspicious.

MOO

Definitely sounds like suicide, IMO.

 

[bfew]

Definitely sounds like suicide, IMO.

Did the article say how he died in any detail?
Nope.

 

[Detechtive]

It's a very hard thing.

I agree that he shouldn't have been outside to attack Audrey, but equally, why did he have the opportunity to kill himself when surely Silverwater staff would have known he was at risk for self harm given the seriousness of the charges.

We can also look at society and question whether culturally appropriate programs could have helped him moderate his violent behaviour and drug use.

But none of that erases the fact that he chose violence. And chose it again and again. He could have been empowered to make healthier choices, but ultimately, he chose violence. Towards others and himself.

It just feels like everyone got failed, really.

MOO

I feel like you wouldn't be saying this if he wasn't Indigenous.

The fact is, some people are just bad. Regardless of culture, circumstance, etc. And sometimes, there is just no rehabilitation.

He was 53. By that age, people usually figure things out. There is just no excuse for this behaviour. He had a LARGE rap sheet with grevious bodily harm charges, affray, domestic violence. Some people just can't be rehabilitated. It's sad, but true. IMO, if it wasn't Audrey, it would have been someone else. He is a long-time criminal who has served time before. No excuses.

 

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Did the article say how he died in any detail?
Nope.

Yes, it did. Not explicitly. But, "not suspicious" means suicide, when it comes to custody. Usually. Unless it was a crazy coincidence and he happened to die of a random health issue in 3 days of being locked up.

Note the lifeline reference.

https://www.news.com.au/national/man-accused-of-murdering-central-coast-teenager-audrey-griffin-dies-in-police-custody/news-story/3dc2ba8048879da1c1ac19631e7e1d28

 

[iamshadow21]

I feel like you wouldn't be saying this if he wasn't Indigenous.

The fact is, some people are just bad. Regardless of culture, circumstance, etc. And sometimes, there is just no rehabilitation.

He was 53. By that age, people usually figure things out. There is just no excuse for this behaviour. He had a LARGE rap sheet with grevious bodily harm charges, affray, domestic violence. Some people just can't be rehabilitated. It's sad, but true. IMO, if it wasn't Audrey, it would have been someone else. He is a long-time criminal who has served time before. No excuses.

Wow, okay.

I was saying it in response to another poster who was talking about him being indigenous so my comment was tailored to that, yes, but to reduce what I said only to that is not being fair to me nor is it accurately reflective of my opinion on people with violence and addiction issues.

I think outcomes for people from adverse circumstances would be improved if support services and programs were in place for them. That's inclusive of people from violent or disordered backgrounds such as abusive homes or time spent in care or juvenile facilities. I think free and readily available drug and alcohol services should be for everyone, and I say that as someone who volunteered in that sector.

Should these services be culturally appropriate where possible? Absolutely.

Would the availability of these services magically cure violence and addiction for everyone? No, because people have to want to change, and I thought I made that pretty clear when I emphasised that he chose violence again and again. That's on him, however he might have been failed early in life by others.

MOO

 

[MrsAddick]

I feel like you wouldn't be saying this if he wasn't Indigenous.

The fact is, some people are just bad. Regardless of culture, circumstance, etc. And sometimes, there is just no rehabilitation.

He was 53. By that age, people usually figure things out. There is just no excuse for this behaviour. He had a LARGE rap sheet with grevious bodily harm charges, affray, domestic violence. Some people just can't be rehabilitated. It's sad, but true. IMO, if it wasn't Audrey, it would have been someone else. He is a long-time criminal who has served time before. No excuses.

Personally I don’t subscribe to the assertion that “some people are just bad”. That implies being born ‘bad’, which is a genetics argument that I have trouble accepting, or being ‘turned’ bad (due to neglect, childhood abuse, trauma) which is consider to be a societal failure.
You raise some important points around historic and ongoing criminal behaviour. This indicates escalation and to that end, the public should have been better protected from him. So, like @iamshadow21 said, a failure all round.

 

[mamamama9873]

It's not yet proven that Torrens death in custody this afternoon is not suspicious, and like Audrey's death, maybe there will be a 360 on this in the next month or so as more evidence comes to light.

Would he have been kept in solitary custody or a shared cell, anyone know?

 

[mamamama9873]

Personally I don’t subscribe to the assertion that “some people are just bad”. That implies being born ‘bad’, which is a genetics argument that I have trouble accepting, or being ‘turned’ bad (due to neglect, childhood abuse, trauma) which is consider to be a societal failure.

100% agree. A lot of the offenders have trauma in their past and never learned to manage their emotions effectively without harming themselves, property or others.

It is absolutely no excuse yet our society has a long way to go in supporting boys and men who don’t have the privilege of a healthy home environment.

This absolutely senseless murder is close to my heart and I have wondering how this type of violence against women can be avoided. It is enough!

He was a serial, aggressive offender. Yet they can’t be locked up for life over these less serious charges so what to do? Make it public knowledge that someone has AVOs against his name? Might act as a deterrent to men when they feel their social standing could be under threat.

 

[drsleuth]

What a senseless waste of 2 lives.

For what?

 

[drsleuth]

It's not yet proven that Torrens death in custody this afternoon is not suspicious, and like Audrey's death, maybe there will be a 360 on this in the next month or so as more evidence comes to light.

https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/truecrimeaustralia/police-courts-nsw/man-charged-with-murdering-audrey-griffin-found-dead-in-cell/news-story/778f40e47c8b4643dec479b24e595569?amp

Man charged with murdering Audrey Griffin found dead in cell​

Audrey Griffin’s accused murderer has killed himself in jail, allowing The Daily Telegraph to reveal previously withheld details about how he confessed in a phone call.

Paraphrased:

The accused killed himself in jail
“Why did I do it? I don’t know, I do not ... I just f---ing clicked and I have no reason for my actions. I just did it, man. I was so f---ed up, you know? I was awake for four or five f---ing days, and I just did it,” Torrens said.

His confession came after CCTV released

A witness recognised Torrens from CCTV & he told them “he left her body in the mangroves”.

His ex ID'd him from CCTV & told police about domestic abuse & how re repeatedly breached AVO's

In a subsequent phone call, Torrens said: “I killed someone about a month ago and now they’re looking for me.”

Torren's phone pinged at 2.43am near Pateman Rd, Erina

Torrens’s death occurred just as thousands of Ms Griffin’s family and friends were gathering for a memorial at Terrigal Beach.

 

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Personally I don’t subscribe to the assertion that “some people are just bad”. That implies being born ‘bad’, which is a genetics argument that I have trouble accepting, or being ‘turned’ bad (due to neglect, childhood abuse, trauma) which is consider to be a societal failure.
You raise some important points around historic and ongoing criminal behaviour. This indicates escalation and to that end, the public should have been better protected from him. So, like @iamshadow21 said, a failure all round.

Psychopaths are bad. They have no morals or empathy. They are not like the majority of humans. Some people are born psychopaths, or some are made into psychopaths, usually from early childhood abuse. Either way, they are bad. There is no way to rehabilitate them.
This man seems like he has ASPD by his offending pattern.
Agree in regards to the public being protected from him, sentencing is appalling in this country.

 

[iamshadow21]

Audrey Griffin death: Man accused of NSW teenager's murder appeared to confess in phone call

Death of Audrey Griffin's killer denies family closure, friends say

Family friends of Audrey Griffin, who is believed to have been murdered on the NSW Central Coast last month, say they have mixed emotions following the death of the man accused of her killing.

www.abc.net.au

 

[drsleuth]

https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/nsw/minns-full-investigation-into-accused-murderers-cell-suicide/news-story/af8df1d0be8fa638d0b068ca8630ed0e?amp

Mr Minns said it was “concerning” that the man was serving a community corrections order when he allegedly murdered Ms Griffin.

No surprise there

 

[pukasonqo2]

His death might become the subject of a coronial inquest

 

[drsleuth]

His death might become the subject of a coronial inquest

It will be, all deaths in custody are in NSW