Australia Australia - Celine Cremer, 31, Belgium backpacker, car found at the Philosopher’s fall track, Waratah, Tasmania, 12 June 2023

[Malleeboy]

Video of Rob's team finding the two bags and bottle. One bag was small, but other was a large garbage back which had a whole for the head.
The additional bit of information was there some string in location tied to a root.

Interesting that there appears to be some sort of track down to the river, when it crosses the water race it isn;t that clear that you're crossing it.

Her friends from Belgium think she had a small compass on her bag. So, it is possible she had both a bag and compass. This maybe explains how she was able to keep a set direction

 

[Malleeboy]

Interesting discussions online in the videos chat section, that the smaller bag could have been worn over the head at night. Also the stump may have been used to hold the bag down with the string at the top, keeping the rain off. With the fact she has nto been found on the hill, makes it very likely she survived the first night.

 

[NingNang]

The additional bit of information was there some string in location tied to a root.

Wow, that seems potentially quite significant. I'm surprised the string wasn't reported in the media.

 

[Lady-J]

I wonder why Celine left the main track

 

[Malleeboy]

I wonder why Celine left the main track

Whilst we can never know the mind of someone.
She either missed the waterfall 90 degree turn off down the stairs to the waterfall, or after she had visited the waterfall decided to go on toward the dam. However, she was using the track to navigate. At some point she decided it was getting late. She turns on her phone and starts back tracking near the dam. However, the water race is not a track, it is the former ground works for a water race. As she was back tracking, she got to a point where the water race is not well defined, at that point the track is leading away from the waterfall. She has her phone open, but the water race is not on google maps. and she notices the track she is on, such as it is, is not going towards the water fall but away. There is a sidetrack (that can be seen on Rob's first video above) that is going up the hill, and more in the direction of the waterfall. Her GPS points have her taking that culvert/track up the hill, but it quickly peters out as you go up the hill but the vegetation becomes a little thinner as she goes up.

 

[Chiatos]

The Daily Mail Australia has a placed a new item on YT, January 8th 2026.

 

[lilyfee]

Video of Rob's team finding the two bags and bottle. One bag was small, but other was a large garbage back which had a whole for the head.
The additional bit of information was there some string in location tied to a root.

Interesting that there appears to be some sort of track down to the river, when it crosses the water race it isn;t that clear that you're crossing it.

Her friends from Belgium think she had a small compass on her bag. So, it is possible she had both a bag and compass. This maybe explains how she was able to keep a set direction

In the video, Rob and Celines friends follow the directional path (based on the phone and the shelter location), which most definitely would cross the water race. Surely, you would, while also being in a panic, not notice that it's man-made when crossing it. Assuming she crossed the water race, which would mean that if following the same trajectory you would most definitely stumble across the Arthur river (only a few hundred meters away from the falls), my question is why she did not follow the river upstream (since she had already been at the falls the day prior and was aware of her rough position)?

 

[Ann1987]

In the video, Rob and Celines friends follow the directional path (based on the phone and the shelter location), which most definitely would cross the water race. Surely, you would, while also being in a panic, not notice that it's man-made when crossing it. Assuming she crossed the water race, which would mean that if following the same trajectory you would most definitely stumble across the Arthur river (only a few hundred meters away from the falls), my question is why she did not follow the river upstream (since she had already been at the falls the day prior and was aware of her rough position)?

It's very plausible that she did, and while the area around the water race has been searched thoroughly, from the information available my understanding is the riverbed and slopes have not. One theory is she may have fallen into the river from those treacherous cliffs on the riverbank. That is what stopped Rob and his crew to pursue that direction further in the video. And climbing those steep inclines would be especially dangerous after rainfall, in low light conditions or when suffering hypothermia. Also, in winter the river would be much higher and torrential. A local wrote somewhere that the water level may have been up to 4 meters high. If you fall in, the next natural spot you would beach might be that bend in the river where it meets 7 mile creek, precisely where Ted Mead found those footprints in 2023! At least, it would explain how she wound up so far off course, and on the other side of the river, if those footprints truly were hers.

 

[Chiatos]

precisely where Ted Mead found those footprints in 2023

Regarding those footprints, I read somewhere (don't remember whether it was YT), that they were size 7.
Would that 'fit' Celine's shoe size?
Isn't there a size 7 for women and a (different) size 7 for men?

 

[iamshadow21]

Regarding those footprints, I read somewhere (don't remember whether it was YT), that they were size 7.
Would that 'fit' Celine's shoe size?
Isn't there a size 7 for women and a (different) size 7 for men?

A size seven women's is roughly equivalent to a five and a half in men's.