Australia Claremont Serial Killer, 1996 - 1997, Perth, Western Australia - #18

[petedavo.au]

Anyone remember what is was that was sent to the UK for forensic testing, and when that was?

Because....
[video=twitter;932930555141853184]https://twitter.com/PA/status/932930555141853184[/video]

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[Spooks-R-Us]

Anyone remember what is was that was sent to the UK for forensic testing, and when that was?

Because....
[video=twitter;932930555141853184]https://twitter.com/PA/status/932930555141853184[/video]

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An item from CG's body that was previously overlooked.
Can't recall date from memory sorry


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[Annalise]

Here is the news media report listed above as Blonde man various witnesses.

Handsome well dressed blond man gets out of taxi with Sarah Spiers the night before she went missing.

Hi IC - obviously nobody has ever identified this man with blonde hair. Not that the public have been told anyway. Maybe he was found and questioned but of no interest to police. It's so frustrating not knowing whether he was questioned or not. Would love to find out if it was the same guy talking to Ciara Glennon on video. Or if it was the same guy with Sarah Spiers. MOO

 

[DRT]

An item from CG's body that was previously overlooked.
Can't recall date from memory sorry


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I am wondering if one of the post newspapers may have details. This article mentions trips to the UK for forensic testing on page 92.

https://www.scribd.com/document/259320541/POST-Newspaper-for-21st-of-March-2015

 

[petedavo.au]

An item from CG's body that was previously overlooked.
Can't recall date from memory sorry


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Appears that the UK privatised it's Forensics out to Randox in 2012. That's why I'm asking when CG's evidence was sent to the UK for Forensic tests.

https://ccrc.gov.uk/ccrc-statement-on-the-randox-situation/

"We have remained alive to the fact that there could be a significant number of cases, of varying types, where the reliability of Randox test results could raise questions about the safety of criminal convictions."
CCRC Statement on the Randox Situation 21st November 2017
The Criminal Cases Review Commission is the independent public body set up to investigate possible miscarriages of justice. The Commission assesses whether convictions or sentences should be referred to a court of appeal.

[video=twitter;932985977907359744]https://twitter.com/westyorksinfo/status/932985977907359744[/video]

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[meticulously]

I am wondering if one of the post newspapers may have details. This article mentions trips to the UK for forensic testing on page 92.

https://www.scribd.com/document/259320541/POST-Newspaper-for-21st-of-March-2015

Drt , This just popped up as i was reading elsewhere, it might not be what your asking but it does point to the year .
" Another blunder concerned forensic examination of the body of Ciara Glennon, found at Eglinton north of Perth two weeks after she disappeared from Claremont in March of 1997.
A critical item from her body was overlooked at the time and not tested until years after the Schramm review in 2004, an international and interstate external review forced on local police after the broadcast of 'He Who Waits', an episode of the ABC’s Australian Story.
The item from Ciara Glennon was then taken to the United Kingdom for testing, these tests revealing the breakthrough clue."

Post December 31 2016 "early clues missed"

 

[Canning Vale]

Drt , This just popped up as i was reading elsewhere, it might not be what your asking but it does point to the year .
" Another blunder concerned forensic examination of the body of Ciara Glennon, found at Eglinton north of Perth two weeks after she disappeared from Claremont in March of 1997.
A critical item from her body was overlooked at the time and not tested until years after the Schramm review in 2004, an international and interstate external review forced on local police after the broadcast of 'He Who Waits', an episode of the ABC’s Australian Story.
The item from Ciara Glennon was then taken to the United Kingdom for testing, these tests revealing the breakthrough clue."

Post December 31 2016 "early clues missed"

Perhaps that item was a personal item used for a monthly occurrence. WAPOL haven't said what the item was - perhaps they can't say!

A critical item from her body

 

[Spooks-R-Us]

Perhaps that item was a personal item used for a monthly occurrence. WAPOL haven't said what the item was - perhaps they can't say!

A critical item from her body

You'd think if it was that, it would've been tested straight up.



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[Canning Vale]

You'd think if it was that, it would've been tested straight up.



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Yes you would think everything was tested for DNA, but something was overlooked. There was a DNA link with CG, but no rape charge.

 

[Spooks-R-Us]

Yes you would think everything was tested for DNA, but something was overlooked. There was a DNA link with CG, but no rape charge.

I always thought it was a necklace, and maybe the accused's DNA got trapped in the chain links of the necklace as a result of the alleged attack.

The item you mentioned would be an obvious place to search for DNA if rape did occur. However, with no rape charges, we might assume this victim was not raped. Therefore, I think we need to consider 'other items' that may have been overlooked.

Maybe a belly button ring or another body part piercing?


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[Canning Vale]

I always thought it was a necklace, and maybe the accused's DNA got trapped in the chain links of the necklace as a result of the alleged attack.

The item you mentioned would be an obvious place to search for DNA if rape did occur. However, with no rape charges, we might assume this victim was not raped. Therefore, I think we need to consider 'other items' that may have been overlooked.

Maybe a belly button ring or another body part piercing?


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Perhaps it was a necklace, belly-button ring, anklet , hair tie, or something, but you’d think they would have mentioned that.

Regarding DNA… back in the 1990s I attended jury duty in Perth - a rape case. A pubic hair was retrieved from the lady’s private area, but not used as evidence. The court engaged a DNA expert, to explain to us jurors that the hair wasn’t used as evidence, because it was covered in the victim’s natural-lube – not able to separate both.

Perhaps the technology to separate both DNAs wasn’t available then – I don’t know if it is now.

Does anyone know if technology has advanced to the stage it can be separated now?

This was a personal experience and I don’t have a reference link.

 

[janwa]

Perhaps it was a necklace, belly-button ring, anklet , hair tie, or something, but you’d think they would have mentioned that.
Regarding DNA… back in the 1990s I attended jury duty in Perth - a rape case. A pubic hair was retrieved from the lady’s private area, but not used as evidence. The court engaged a DNA expert, to explain to us jurors that the hair wasn’t used as evidence, because it was covered in the victim’s natural-lube – not able to separate both.
Perhaps the technology to separate both DNAs wasn’t available then – I don’t know if it is now.
Does anyone know if technology has advanced to the stage it can be separated now?
This was a personal experience and I don’t have a reference link.

This might give some insite

http://www.aic.gov.au/publications/current series/tandi/501-520/tandi506.html

 

[petedavo.au]

This might give some insite

http://www.aic.gov.au/publications/current series/tandi/501-520/tandi506.html

This part?

Y-STR DNA profiling

The Y chromosome is a paternally inherited sex-determining chromosome. Y-STR profiling can also be used to narrow familial searches where a number of partial matches are obtained. It has forensic application in distinguishing male and female DNA (or distinguishing multiple male offenders) in sexual assault cases where samples taken from the victim are mixed and it is difficult to obtain an accurate profile of the suspect (Roewer 2009). Y-STR profiling was used in the Australian case*R v Priestley*to separate male and female DNA and identify the DNA profile of the offender (see Table 1).

Low copy number analysis

The amount of DNA left on an object after contact is influenced by a range of factors, such as the duration or type of contact. Low copy number (LCN) analysis involves the use of techniques to multiply small amounts of DNA, obtained from only a few cells. This technique was applied in the high-profile*Murdoch v The Queencase in the NT Supreme Court (see Table 1). However, it has the potential to create erroneous results due to a high potential for contamination (Gans 2007; Lowe et al. 2003).



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[Spooks-R-Us]

This might give some insite

http://www.aic.gov.au/publications/current series/tandi/501-520/tandi506.html

That link didn't work sorry


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[DRT]

Drt , This just popped up as i was reading elsewhere, it might not be what your asking but it does point to the year .
" Another blunder concerned forensic examination of the body of Ciara Glennon, found at Eglinton north of Perth two weeks after she disappeared from Claremont in March of 1997.
A critical item from her body was overlooked at the time and not tested until years after the Schramm review in 2004, an international and interstate external review forced on local police after the broadcast of 'He Who Waits', an episode of the ABC’s Australian Story.
The item from Ciara Glennon was then taken to the United Kingdom for testing, these tests revealing the breakthrough clue."

Post December 31 2016 "early clues missed"

I did a heap of searching with keywords via my library link to factiva with UK and Australian newspapers with different keywords relating to forensics and dna with Claremont and the only references I could find other than the post were more related to UK expertise being used and more the way DNA was checked where more of the DNA could be used for testing.

The only ones I could find publicly available were from the abc.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2004-06-17/police-hope-for-breakthrough-in-perth-killings/1994530

http://www.abc.net.au/pm/content/2004/s1257731.htm

"Forensic scientists David Barclay and Malcolm Boots came to the review panel from the National Crime and Operations Faculty in the UK.

David Barclay said it was difficult to get direct evidence against someone after the two bodies were found, because of the climate and the length of time between the abductions and the discoveries."

https://www.perthnow.com.au/news/wa...-killings-ng-5c3de303388ff089c816855b8631062f

"According to the Post report, detectives have made numerous trips to the UK to liaise with forensic scientists there, including DNA expert Dr Jonathan Whitaker. Dr Whitaker has reportedly visited Perth to work on the case. He is a pioneer of LCN (Low Copy Number), the most sensitive DNA testing yet developed."

 

[janwa]

That link didn't work sorry ..........................................
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Spooks try this

http://www.aic.gov.au/publications/current series/tandi/501-520/tandi506.html

http://www.aic.gov.au/publications/current series/tandi/501-520/tandi506.html

 

[janwa]

That link didn't work sorry ..........................................
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Spooks try this

http://www.aic.gov.au/publications/current series/tandi/501-520/tandi506.html

 

[Canning Vale]

This might give some insite

http://www.aic.gov.au/publications/current series/tandi/501-520/tandi506.html

Thanks Janwa,

What's interesting is The Australian National Criminal Investigation DNA Database (NCIDD), managed by CrimTrac, has been in operation since 2001. The NCIDD continues to expand and now holds more than 830,000 DNA profiles and conducts 68,000 matches from crime scenes to individuals, and more than 72,000 matches from crime scene to crime scene each year. The NCIDD is used by police in all jurisdictions to upload profiles and conduct searches (CrimTrac 2014).

 

[petedavo.au]

Perhaps it was a necklace, belly-button ring, anklet , hair tie, or something, but you’d think they would have mentioned that.

Regarding DNA… back in the 1990s I attended jury duty in Perth - a rape case. A pubic hair was retrieved from the lady’s private area, but not used as evidence. The court engaged a DNA expert, to explain to us jurors that the hair wasn’t used as evidence, because it was covered in the victim’s natural-lube – not able to separate both.

Perhaps the technology to separate both DNAs wasn’t available then – I don’t know if it is now.

Does anyone know if technology has advanced to the stage it can be separated now?

This was a personal experience and I don’t have a reference link.

This might give some insite

http://www.aic.gov.au/publications/current series/tandi/501-520/tandi506.html

This part?

Y-STR DNA profiling

The Y chromosome is a paternally inherited sex-determining chromosome. Y-STR profiling can also be used to narrow familial searches where a number of partial matches are obtained. It has forensic application in distinguishing male and female DNA (or distinguishing multiple male offenders) in sexual assault cases where samples taken from the victim are mixed and it is difficult to obtain an accurate profile of the suspect (Roewer 2009). Y-STR profiling was used in the Australian case*R v Priestley*to separate male and female DNA and identify the DNA profile of the offender (see Table 1).

Low copy number analysis

The amount of DNA left on an object after contact is influenced by a range of factors, such as the duration or type of contact. Low copy number (LCN) analysis involves the use of techniques to multiply small amounts of DNA, obtained from only a few cells. This technique was applied in the high-profile*Murdoch v The Queencase in the NT Supreme Court (see Table 1). However, it has the potential to create erroneous results due to a high potential for contamination (Gans 2007; Lowe et al. 2003).



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Great article BTW.

http://www.aic.gov.au/publications/current series/tandi/501-520/tandi506.html

http://www.aic.gov.au/media_library/publications/tandi_pdf/tandi506.pdf

If the links don't work for you, I've downloaded and attached the PDF file here> View attachment tandi506.pdf

 

[Spooks-R-Us]

Great article BTW.

http://www.aic.gov.au/publications/current series/tandi/501-520/tandi506.html

http://www.aic.gov.au/media_library/publications/tandi_pdf/tandi506.pdf

If the links don't work for you, I've downloaded and attached the PDF file here> View attachment 126789

Thanks Davo.
However the 2nd link, the Media library link worked fine for me.
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