GUILTY Australia - Kiesha Weippeart, 6, Mount Druitt, NSW, 18 July 2010 - #2

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I suppose that is a question for a great many parents who do this type of crime. Why have them and why keep them. Imagine a life with someone who can love and care for the children of these animals.
 
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When Abrahams called her father Rodney Jones in June 2010 - one month before Kiesha's murder - to say she couldn't "****ing handle this kid anymore", Kiesha's grandfather made preparations for the girl to live with him in Canberra.

But Abrahams delayed the planned move by a couple of weeks.

Too many people knew and no one did a thing. None of them deserve to be exonerated. Her mother did it but all those people are also responsible.
Don't ever walk away if you suspect someone.
 
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Thank you bearbear! I have not seen this yet but will read this now.

Fruity gave a very informative post about the reporting process. As I understand DOCS is busy. KW's case was discharged from their service after KA good behaviour.

My question still remaining is this:

1. Why did an educational system that is pedantic about NAPLAN loose track of an at risk student?

2. Did the father not pay child support and therefore as a consequence loose his right to be next of kin. His mother in MSM is pictured with her holding a photo of KW. Did he also lose visitation because of opting out of support? Only my conjecture here and not a fact. If KW could speak at a young age, I believe she would have been able to speak to her father. As in.. What have you learned in school?

3. If the grandfather knew and reported such comments, would he feel that a gov payment would be taken away. Plus his daughter would live with him without govt support. Where does a family member go to for help confidentially?

Lastly, IF KW had a medical condition and Mum was tired... Why not send her to school? Who knew she wasn't going and what response did they get?

Moo

Inquiry needed here in systems, processes and support.
 
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When Abrahams called her father Rodney Jones in June 2010 - one month before Kiesha's murder - to say she couldn't "****ing handle this kid anymore", Kiesha's grandfather made preparations for the girl to live with him in Canberra.

But Abrahams delayed the planned move by a couple of weeks.

Too many people knew and no one did a thing. None of them deserve to be exonerated. Her mother did it but all those people are also responsible.
Don't ever walk away if you suspect someone.



The grandfather was wanting to step in and help. My thoughts and prayers are with him. He has yet to testify and my hope is that he understands that he was a victim of the murderer.

I did just now read the link from bear. I doubt the grandfather ever knew of this abuse as he believed the only reason Kiesha would leave the house was to chase a kitten.

Moo

Where did KA learn an upper cut punch as resolution? I grew up with awarding winning sports men brothers and an upper cut was not part of any games.
 
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2. Did the father not pay child support and therefore as a consequence loose his right to be next of kin. His mother in MSM is pictured with her holding a photo of KW. Did he also lose visitation because of opting out of support? Only my conjecture here and not a fact. If KW could speak at a young age, I believe she would have been able to speak to her father. As in.. What have you learned in school?

3. If the grandfather knew and reported such comments, would he feel that a gov payment would be taken away. Plus his daughter would live with him without govt support. Where does a family member go to for help confidentially?

RE: Point 2

It is so easy for a mother to ensure she is the only contact for a child. Go to the doctors, put down her details, emergency room, lets say Dad takes her in and gives his details, next week Mum brings her in for something else, changes details to her. Same with school, kinder etc, Mum has sole custody, Mum is main contact. I don't know their situation but let me just say from my experiences, people don't ask questions, they just tend to assume that if Mum has custody then don't worry about involving the Dad. Noone is to know whether Dad pays child support, they just assume that Mum is the best person to deal with.

I have personally seen Dad's with 50/50 care, who try their hardest to be involved with everything still have to go to extraordinary lengths to be informed about schooling and medical decisions.

It might have been his choice to take a backseat role, but even if he hadn't, he could have still been kept in the dark anyway, he would have had to knock the doors down at DOCS or police to get action.

RE - Point 3
When you say payments, I assume you mean Centrelink payments. Centrelink have a hotline to report anon. Reporting a family member would be extremely difficult. But this situation was not dealt with properly and the result is absolutely terrible.

I hope the sentence is harsh.
 
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1. Why did an educational system that is pedantic about NAPLAN loose track of an at risk student?
Only addressing this point, the rest of your post raises some very good questions too. Re this question, my personal theory is that there wasn't a HSLO officer in that area for some time. The workload would be enormous, there would be very few rewards in the job, and it would be emotionally draining. The pay for all HSLO officers is the same and I think it's understandable that someone would choose a job in a different suburb for the same pay without the prohibitively upsetting aspects of the job.

I think Kiesha might have slipped through the cracks because of high job turnover and burnout in the position.

That's just moo and 100% speculation. I'm not a HSLO officer and haven't been one, but I do know how the system works.
 
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It is not within the requirements of any parent to be prevented from seeing a child because they don't pay child support. The father was in ill health and not working as I understand it.
It is a moral thing in my opinion. I remember he said the mother made it difficult but he gave up too easily.
 
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Ah. Here we go.

Comment has been sought from DOCS.
Kiesha attended school just four times in her short life, prompting seven home visits from education officers.
However, Abrahams would not open the door to them and eventually she rang the Department of Education and told them she didn't want "people bothering in our business", the statement said.

She was then told the department would take legal action as Kiesha's attendance at school was compulsory.

It sounds like a delay in the legal system is to blame. Just moo and only from reading the news reports. It sounds like the school and HSLO officers did everything right.
 
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It is not within the requirements of any parent to be prevented from seeing a child because they don't pay child support. The father was in ill health and not working as I understand it.
It is a moral thing in my opinion. I remember he said the mother made it difficult but he gave up too easily.
That was my impression too.

The poor guy is dead anyway. Let's not speak ill of him (not speaking to you Karo, just trying to stop the conversation going any further down a negative road).

He seemed utterly bereft in interviews, and he expressed a lot of guilt and sadness that he hadn't fought harder to see Kiesha. IMO he too is a victim in this case.
 
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It is not within the requirements of any parent to be prevented from seeing a child because they don't pay child support. The father was in ill health and not working as I understand it.
It is a moral thing in my opinion. I remember he said the mother made it difficult but he gave up too easily.

Can you give me a link as you are stating this as a fact?
 
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I'm a teacher in a different Australian state, but can't say I have had any experience with this sort of chronic absenteeism. I could pretty safely say that Education Department employees, even those employed to monitor attendance, would have very limited 'powers' as it were, when following up on specific cases. If they knock at a door or make phone calls and are refused contact, they would be forced to pass their info on to the next appropriate agency - which I would assume is DOCS or the equivalent.

I'd also assume that there would be more immediate action if it was the physical abuse being reported by everyone who witnessed it (or signs of it) or suspected it. Every suspicious teacher, friend, neighbour or even family member should make these reports, so no child slips through the gaps.

Reporting is mandatory for teachers in my state too, as is annual Child Protection training. My very wise school principal has advised us that if we have to stop and think about whether or not something should be reported, then it probably should be.

ETA that silly wink should NOT have been at the top of my post.
 
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Sorry but I don't really see how child support is an issue here. Just wanted to clarify.
 
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It is not within the requirements of any parent to be prevented from seeing a child because they don't pay child support. The father was in ill health and not working as I understand it.
It is a moral thing in my opinion. I remember he said the mother made it difficult but he gave up too easily.

Karo, do you have a link for this?
 

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