GUILTY Australia - Lisa Harnum, 30, killed in 15-story fall, Sydney, 30 July 2011 #4

[SouthAussie]

FYI
http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/ne...s-in-surry-hills/story-fni0cx12-1226824960328

Rachelle Louise’s new look as she waits for a bus in Surry Hills
THE DAILY TELEGRAPH FEBRUARY 12, 2014.

"...She is one of the most recognisable faces in Australia at the moment - rarely out of the media during the trial of balcony killer Simon Gittany - but Rachelle Louise looked a little more disguised today..."

"Only a week ago, she was leading protests outside Darlinghurst Court House... but with the cameras switched off today, Rachelle Louise was catching a bus in Sydney - managing a demure yet anonymous look ...
dressed up with a Burberry tote bag and a khaki shirt over a black maxi dress, her Ray Ban mirrored aviators and fresh blow dry gave her a new look, on the same day Simon Gittany served the first day of his sentence...".

Is it right for the girlfriend of the convicted murderer is able to profit from his crime?

Interesting photo ... is that neckline coming down again?

 

[LadyBird1]

Just a thought..
Giittany may have thought he had already killed her - and maybe that's the reason why he threw her over the balcony. But she was alive, and had possibly fainted.
It would IMO tie in with him once again, not taking responsibility for his actions and try to blame Lisa.

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Light-bulb moment!
Based on the picture with SG's hands covering both her mouth and nose, plus she is appears being dragged; plus her height is nowhere near his height;
(where in reality Lisa was not that short) Therefore possible unconscious or deceased at that time. SG with the face of red rage continues with his uncontrolled rage.
By and by he realizes, Lisa is not responding, Lisa is in fact ... dead.
Bugger! Don't want to done for murder. Put her over the balcony. It will look like suicide. And anyone will have to prove anything otherwise.

 

[Just.A.Hunch]

I just KNEW they would have had the cameras on her for the verdict (at least it sounds like they might have). Her new theme song - 'we're in the money....'



I did have some sympathy for her, but now knowing that she chose to be away from court for the sentencing says to me she has more care for herself than SG.



Even if my partner's family told me not to attend sentencing, wild horses couldn't keep me away if he was the love of my life. Money certainly kept her away. IMO of course.

Hey! Them Burberry bags ain't cheap! A girls gotta do what a girls gotta do!

 

[Brightbird]

Some thoughts:

Maybe it was a combination of his seething rage, Lisa froze, he quickly grabbed her with both hands, suffocated and strangled her at the same time while he was dragging her then picked her up and tossed her over the balcony.

I am also curious as to why his non-parole period is 18 years rather than 20 years and what that secret (which is non-publishable) would be. At one stage, I thought it could be that he might be going to be a father but surely that would not reduce this non-parole period.


I am also curious about how Channel 7 is going to present Rachelle and the show on Sunday night now as it seems unlikely that Shapelle Corby will be able to accept the money or she will be sent back to jail. There is much more interest in this case than Corby's. Most Australians seem to be "over" her so I am sure they will not get the audience that they had hoped to get and are shocked that she was offered about $2m.

Curious indeed. Could it be that he offered some inside information from his high end 'health products' business? Lol.

 

[SouthAussie]

Curious indeed. Could it be that he offered some inside information from his high end 'health products' business? Lol.

Good thinking!

Don't think he'll be too happy to have only had a 2-year reduction in his non-parole period if he provided info about some associates.

Makes you wonder if he did something like that to create the 'special circumstances' that got him out on bail in the first place, doesn't it? :waitasec:

If all else fails, turn informer.

 

[FigTree]

Good thinking!

Don't think he'll be too happy to have only had a 2-year reduction in his non-parole period if he provided info about some associates.

Makes you wonder if he did something like that to create the 'special circumstances' that got him out on bail in the first place, doesn't it? :waitasec:

If all else fails, turn informer.

Yesss, I can see that.

 

[Marg from Oz]

Yesss, I can see that.

I was thinking the same thing. Has he turned on his two mates?

But then he would be contradicting Rachelle's statement of being guilty by association. She was making out he only knew them and had no dealings with them.

He may have other people after him if he starts snitching. JMOO

 

[sleepinoz]

Wasn't the suppressed part, in the sentencing hearing, about his treatment in gaol?

 

[Brightbird]

Wasn't the suppressed part, in the sentencing hearing, about his treatment in gaol?

I wondered that too. So his argument would be that his treatment counts as additional punishment? I guess that could fly. But I thought he would get extra protection, not leniency, if he was being treated badly by other prisoners.

 

[SouthAussie]

I was thinking the same thing. Has he turned on his two mates?

But then he would be contradicting Rachelle's statement of being guilty by association. She was making out he only knew them and had no dealings with them.

He may have other people after him if he starts snitching. JMOO

Police protect their snitches, I think. He may have just provided info that assisted in investigations, but may not be going to be a witness at anyone's trial so can remain anonymous.

Remember how quickly police discounted that they were looking at Gittany's financial involvement with the meth-makers?


ETA: Didn't Justice McCallum say that she wondered/would look at how Gittany supported his lifestyle (or something like that) in the trial verdict? And then she didn't say much about it at all in her sentencing remarks. Not sure, would have to go back and look at the wording of Justice McCallum's statements.

 

[they'll get you]

I'm not sure if the Sunday Night programme can to use 'our' photo because the show, I think is completed. David Kosh & sidekick interviewed the two reporters for the Sunday Night programme this morning & they have rein-acted the unit, inch by inch and even the very same furniture. Rach said she is the same weight as Lisa (I think she could be a good 10 kilo heavier) and one older & not so fit reporter couldn't lift her (strain & grunt)so they eventually used a dummy of the same weight to rein-act the crime. I'm sure he was frightened of manhandling RL.
Who knows if they can edit RL's face viewing 'our' photo but she'll have an answer for that too. 'Oh that's been photoshopped!. I CAN'T WAIT!

 

[jimbob]

I'm not sure if the Sunday Night programme can to use 'our' photo because the show, I think is completed. David Kosh & sidekick interviewed the two reporters for the Sunday Night programme this morning & they have rein-acted the unit, inch by inch and even the very same furniture. Rach said she is the same weight as Lisa (I think she could be a good 10 kilo heavier) and one older & not so fit reporter couldn't lift her (strain & grunt)so they eventually used a dummy of the same weight to rein-act the crime. I'm sure he was frightened of manhandling RL.
Who knows if they can edit RL's face viewing 'our' photo but she'll have an answer for that too. 'Oh that's been photoshopped!. I CAN'T WAIT!

It looks like the Sunday Night program is going to cast doubt on the judgement handed down by Justice McCallum and suggest there is a reasonable doubt. At least that is what I gleaned from the comments of the reporters. I suppose it is to be expected; in many cases if you examine them closely enough there will generally be some area where a form of judgement was exercised. I am not saying the judgement is necessarily wrong just that usually they hinge on one or two points. I saw footage of the male actor carrying the female model through the balcony door so I guess that puts to rest the question of whether SG could carry LH (if there was any real doubt). I think the area where they will focus on is the evidence of the eyewitness as really the whole case hinges on this observation. Could Rathmell really see clearly over the 93m to the balcony through leave less branches?? The viewer will be asked to make that judgement. Clearly the judge thought one way but will the next 3 judges feel the same about it after the public exposure this decision will be given? The other area is the idea that LH was rendered unconscious in the apartment. The case doesn’t rest on this fact but I think Sunday Night will play this up as an uncertainty as it cannot be explained. To me, if Rathmell saw what he saw, it doesn’t matter whether LH was unconscious or just frozen with fear (a real possibility in my view), or even conscious. But I suspect they will try to sensationalise this aspect of the case.

 

[Fuskier]

I'm not sure if the Sunday Night programme can to use 'our' photo because the show, I think is completed. David Kosh & sidekick interviewed the two reporters for the Sunday Night programme this morning & they have rein-acted the unit, inch by inch and even the very same furniture. Rach said she is the same weight as Lisa (I think she could be a good 10 kilo heavier) and one older & not so fit reporter couldn't lift her (strain & grunt)so they eventually used a dummy of the same weight to rein-act the crime. I'm sure he was frightened of manhandling RL.
Who knows if they can edit RL's face viewing 'our' photo but she'll have an answer for that too. 'Oh that's been photoshopped!. I CAN'T WAIT!

I find Jimbob an interesting sleuther. :silenced: Whether they play it up or not - Justice McCallum has the legitimate authority and the position as the Judge in the case to formulate her judgement based on the evidence before the Court. Media and the girlfriend's alleged sex appeal, beauty & reported 'intelligence' should fall into the same basket as the supporters of Gitttany expecting their character references to alter the course of the Judge's judgement IMHO. It been through a fair Trial with skilled Defense and Prosecution lawyers and an eminent Justice presiding. He was convicted.

Well from a recent msm photo of RL she looks much heavier that 50 Kg!!! Those dresses she wore to Court to hid her heavy hips IMO. In the photo posted on the first day of Gittany's jail sentance, she looks much heavier that 50 Kgs.

For the program to establish any credibility in this area, they would need to demonstrate to the public what RL's weight actually is in front of our eyes & IMO explore scientific evidence in this area.

Apart from this, RL is alive and conscious - not unconscious as we speculate that Lisa may have been. The older reporter is no match for an apoplectic enraged Gittany. Male rage produces chemicals in the body which makes them even stronger. This can be scientifically validated without worry as it is well established. :crazy:

My understanding is that the convicted murderer has a right to Appeal as a normal course of events. Hypothetically, lets say there is equal chance that 3 Appeal Judges might just arrive at the same conclusion as Justice McCallum. It has been through a fair Trial with skilled Defense and Prosecution lawyers and an eminent Justice presiding. Gittany has been convicted of the murder of Lisa Harnum.

 

[FigTree]

I was thinking the same thing. Has he turned on his two mates?

But then he would be contradicting Rachelle's statement of being guilty by association. She was making out he only knew them and had no dealings with them.

He may have other people after him if he starts snitching. JMOO

I think he is the ultimate contradiction, and his GF RL is the other half of the equation.
It also maybe related to another case which has not been reported or has gone cold.
He possibly incriminated himself by knowing something and yet trying to look like a good guy - he shoots himself in the foot every time. And his girlfriend shoots him in the other foot.

And I'd say the last thing he wants is for that information to get out to anyone -

 

[fruity]

I'm looking for photos, does anyone have a link to the pictures from the conversion ceremony someone posted about earlier? I haven't seem those. Thanks!

 

[FigTree]

I find Jimbob an interesting sleuther. :silenced: Whether they play it up or not - Justice McCallum has the legitimate authority and the position as the Judge in the case to formulate her judgement based on the evidence before the Court. Media and the girlfriend's sex appeal, alleged beauty & reported 'intelligence' should fall into the same basket as the supporters of Gitttany expecting their character references to alter the course of the Judge's judgement IMHO.

Well from a recent msm photo of RL she looks much heavier that 50 Kg!!! Those dresses she wore to Court to hid her heavy hips IMO. In the photo posted on the first day of Gittany's jail sentance, she looks much heavier that 50 Kgs.

For the program to establish any credibility in this area, they would need to demonstrate to the public what RL's weight actually is in front of our eyes.

Apart from this, RL is alive and conscious - not unconscious as we speculate that Lisa may have been. The older reporter is no match for an apoplectic enraged Gittany. Male rage produces chemicals in the body which makes them even stronger. This can be scientifically validated without worry as it is well established. :crazy:

I have a problem with the show if the angle here is to prove that the Judges verdict was wrong and the witness' testimonies are not credible.

Here's an angle - what if Channel7 turn the tables in the interview to prove RL wrong.

And additionally, I look at LH and think 45kg.
I look at RL and think 60kg.

 

[icu nurse]

Wasn't the suppressed part, in the sentencing hearing, about his treatment in gaol?

I think potentially this may be the case.

Assault by other inmates, necessity to be in solitary due to risk to prisoner, therefore "harsher" punishment than typically ?

There was something buzzing around about that the night of the verdict but since then nothing.

 

[icu nurse]

Agree wholeheartedly here.

Another side thought - considering the deprivation of liberty, stalking/spying, and clearly proven assault, we're not considered to be "aggravating factors" in the sentencing, and RL's admission that SG did in fact fracture her finger some time earlier, I'm wondering if during the appeal additional charges, undisputed during trial, and even admitted to (in the case of the stalking) could be added.

Initially I thought they were being held back as a fail safe to get the evil man behind bars if unsuccessful in securing a conviction. Right now, his sentence is - as much as we may like it to be more - it is adequate.

But if that was jeapordised, or threatened during an appeal, perhaps some of these could be added too.

Or is it a case of the worst crime trumps all?

 

[fruity]

I too think that RL looks closer to 60kg than 50kg. It depends how tall she is.

 

[FigTree]

Im thinking here that the is a difference in weight and body frame.
Thoughts?
Who looks 50kg's? Neither of them - LH looks below 50kg, and RL looks over 50 kgs.
JMO

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