Australia Australia - Lynette Dawson, 34, Sydney, Jan 1982 *Arrest* #2

[DRT]

This is truly music to my ears.
This alleged murderer has had a dream run for too many years and is now experiencing what it feels like to be beholden to restrictions.

Sydney court please take as long as you need.
It appears he’s lost those ‘protection connections’ he’s had all these years.




The 70-year-old is "anxious" to get out of jail but will remain in custody after documents submitted by his defence team were rejected by a Sydney court.

Bail stuff up leaves alleged wife-killer ‘devastated’

It wouldn't be the first time he spent a bit of time away around Christmas. In 1981, presumably Lyn's last Christmas alive, he spent some time in hospital with a nose operation and wouldn't let Lyn visit and then spent time driving to Queensland with a 16 year old until she asked him to return, returning Boxing Day.

 

[DRT]

We know that the 9pm on 8/1/82 was arrived at by a phone call Lyn had with her mum just prior to that.
Do we know how the 7am on 9/1/82 was determined?

I'm guessing that's when he stated he dropped her off at the bus station in Mona Vale.

I had a look at Chris's statement 17/08/1982 he said
"Sat 9th Jan
She seemed happy & had decided to go to the markets & meet me & the girls back at Northbridge Bather after 12.00. I dropped her off at Mona Vale - everything seemed fine. Lyn rang the baths about 3.00pm, she said she was with friends, not to worry, it was her turn and that she'd ring later that week."

I am assuming the time was before the kids would be awake.

 

[SouthAussie]

I had a look at Chris's statement 17/08/1982 he said
"Sat 9th Jan
She seemed happy & had decided to go to the markets & meet me & the girls back at Northbridge Bather after 12.00. I dropped her off at Mona Vale - everything seemed fine. Lyn rang the baths about 3.00pm, she said she was with friends, not to worry, it was her turn and that she'd ring later that week."

I am assuming the time was maybe before the kids would be awake.

I found Chris' evidence about that morning.
I am wondering if he did, in fact, leave at 7am ... maybe a witness saw his vehicle leaving at 7am? As I wonder why police would just accept his version of when he left the home, and identify that as the last time Lyn could have been alive.
And maybe with Lyn 'not coping' that night, and apologising for a 'breakdown', perhaps some noise may have been involved in her demise.
And maybe Sherryn had been crying quite loudly.


Saturday, January 9, 1982: Chris’s evidence is that on this day Lyn woke early, did a load of washing, and cut lunches for her daughters. He says Lyn had been distressed the night before as she had some difficulty coping with their youngest daughter Sherryn, who had been disturbed in the night. Chris says that on Saturday morning Lyn was calm and apologised for her breakdown the night before, and asked Chris to drive her to the bus stop at 7am so she could return some clothes in Chatswood. Chris says he drove Lyn to the bus stop, with the two girls also in the car, and that he expected to see Lyn after 12pm at Northbridge Baths, as she had planned to meet her mother there that afternoon. Chris returns home.

Nocookies
1965 to now - The Australian - December 5, 2018

 

[DRT]

Listening to 7 news, while the papers were submitted to the Parramatta Court today, they couldn't be looked at. Ironically, the office of the DPP have to approve the paperwork and they only work Monday to Friday.

 

[k-mac]

I found Chris' evidence about that morning.
I am wondering if he did, in fact, leave at 7am ... maybe a witness saw his vehicle leaving at 7am? As I wonder why police would just accept his version of when he left the home, and identify that as the last time Lyn could have been alive.
And maybe with Lyn 'not coping' that night, and apologising for a 'breakdown', perhaps some noise may have been involved in her demise.
And maybe Sherryn had been crying quite loudly.


Saturday, January 9, 1982: Chris’s evidence is that on this day Lyn woke early, did a load of washing, and cut lunches for her daughters. He says Lyn had been distressed the night before as she had some difficulty coping with their youngest daughter Sherryn, who had been disturbed in the night. Chris says that on Saturday morning Lyn was calm and apologised for her breakdown the night before, and asked Chris to drive her to the bus stop at 7am so she could return some clothes in Chatswood. Chris says he drove Lyn to the bus stop, with the two girls also in the car, and that he expected to see Lyn after 12pm at Northbridge Baths, as she had planned to meet her mother there that afternoon. Chris returns home.

Nocookies
1965 to now - The Australian - December 5, 2018

they say liars usually add components of truth to their lies to fill them out.
interesting point SA I hadn't thought about before.
wondering if lyn did make some noise that fateful night that he was concerned maybe neighbours heard?
its not a stretch either to imagine sherryn was probably beside her self crying in a crib alone because her mother was dead and her father was too busy to deal with her.
(that good ol dad that is so idolized...... )

ugh!! he makes my blood boil

moo

 

[SouthAussie]

they say liars usually add components of truth to their lies to fill them out.
interesting point SA I hadn't thought about before.
wondering if lyn did make some noise that fateful night that he was concerned maybe neighbours heard?
its not a stretch either to imagine sherryn was probably beside her self crying in a crib alone because her mother was dead and her father was too busy to deal with her.
(that good ol dad that is so idolized...... )

ugh!! he makes my blood boil

moo

I even wonder if the load of washing that 'Lyn' did that morning was cleanup from whatever happened to her.
And the 'cutting' of the girls' lunches may have been added in case any of Lyn's blood was found in the house.

Chris could never be sure if the alarm would have been raised to the police earlier, by someone other than him ... or what may have been found/remembered by others after he finally reported Lyn missing.

 

[Via Marple]

I found Chris' evidence about that morning.
I am wondering if he did, in fact, leave at 7am ... maybe a witness saw his vehicle leaving at 7am? As I wonder why police would just accept his version of when he left the home, and identify that as the last time Lyn could have been alive.
And maybe with Lyn 'not coping' that night, and apologising for a 'breakdown', perhaps some noise may have been involved in her demise.
And maybe Sherryn had been crying quite loudly.


Saturday, January 9, 1982: Chris’s evidence is that on this day Lyn woke early, did a load of washing, and cut lunches for her daughters. He says Lyn had been distressed the night before as she had some difficulty coping with their youngest daughter Sherryn, who had been disturbed in the night. Chris says that on Saturday morning Lyn was calm and apologised for her breakdown the night before, and asked Chris to drive her to the bus stop at 7am so she could return some clothes in Chatswood. Chris says he drove Lyn to the bus stop, with the two girls also in the car, and that he expected to see Lyn after 12pm at Northbridge Baths, as she had planned to meet her mother there that afternoon. Chris returns home.

Nocookies
1965 to now - The Australian - December 5, 2018

So, CD had his girls as his "witnesses" on his "drive to Chatswood with their mother".

On the other hand, the prosecution is now saying that Lyn must be dead by that time. Interesting.

I guess CD's movements after 7am that day have been accounted for then. So he couldn't possibly be killing Lyn after 7am. MOO

2020 can't come soon enough.

Btw hopefully there will not be enough people at DPP still working on Monday to get through the backlog of approvals . Happy holidays!

...Edited to add more ""

 

[SouthAussie]

Also, waiting 6 weeks to report Lyn as missing would have given any scratches or bruises that Lyn may have inflicted on him, as she was fighting for her life, plenty of time to heal up completely.

Gerard Baden Clay could have taken a leaf or two out of Chris Dawson's book.

 

[DRT]

I even wonder if the load of washing that 'Lyn' did that morning was cleanup from whatever happened to her.
And the 'cutting' of the girls' lunches may have been added in case any of Lyn's (recent) blood was found in the house.

The illusion that Lyn was doing something normal like making sure her kids were sorted out, well before she would normally be up also adds to the story.

When your a famous and popular ex-Rugby player whose story is accepted about a lil trip to Queensland without even a visit to his house. Maybe if they had they would have noticed a 16 year old student living at the place they might have investigated more.

Even the school eventually noticed and transferred him to another school.

 

[Via Marple]

I even wonder if the load of washing that 'Lyn' did that morning was cleanup from whatever happened to her.
And the 'cutting' of the girls' lunches may have been added in case any of Lyn's blood was found in the house.

Chris could never be sure if the alarm would have been raised to the police earlier, by someone other than him ... or what may have been found/remembered by others after he finally reported Lyn missing.

Murder he wrote! What a perfect piece of fiction

 

[SouthAussie]

Murder he wrote! What a perfect piece of fiction

To my way of thinking, we need to look at why police did not investigate him further. He seems to have had as many bases covered as he could. A reason why freshly laundered clothes may have been hanging on the line that early morning, a reason why a drop or two of blood may have been found wherever, a reason why his young daughter may have been heard crying loudly that night, a reason why Lyn may have been heard to be very distressed that night .......

If there were blatant reasons why he should have been investigated, no amount of DPP/lawyer protection could have stopped that. imo

 

[Cagney&Lacey]

Lack of action by the DPP finally works against Chris, well for the weekend anyways.
Who’d of thought the DPP would have to sign off on the bail documents.

7 News Brisbane

 

[tmar]

Lack of action by the DPP finally works against Chris, well for the weekend anyways.
Who’d of thought the DPP would have to sign off on the bail documents.

7 News Brisbane

Back to the bail!
I can't understand, how disorganized Chris Dawson's team appears.
They bought forward the 1.5 M bail proposal.
Surely this was discussed/investigated.
Now all this!!!
Yes, we have found reasons why there has been a delay,
but I am hoping the tide has turned, and CD's luck has run out.

The trial, I think, will be similar, with loads of 'mistakes' evident throughout.
I hope so.
MOO.

 

[SouthAussie]

Back to the bail!
I can't understand, how disorganized Chris Dawson's team appears.
They bought forward the 1.5 M bail proposal.
Surely this was discussed/investigated.
Now all this!!!
MOO.

It sounds to me as if short cuts may have been taken when submitting evidentiary documents of property ownership and property value.

"Here are the documents for bail, including the valuation that we have been waiting for."
"Where is the land deed (title) proving that the mortgage holder (Sue/Peter) owns the land, and therefore has the right to submit this for bail?"
"Oh, we don't have that. Have never had that. Must be still with the bank." (I believe the bank holds the land deed/title until the mortgage has been paid off. At least, in SA they do. And some people never ask for it once their mortgage is released, as a significant fee is required to obtain it from the bank.)
"Well, we will need that as well."
"But the mortgage departments are closed on the weekends."
"Sorry"

 

[Cagney&Lacey]

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According to this link they are available immediately

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[Cagney&Lacey]

However if the property was purchased pre 1994 a physical document may exist .....

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[Estelle]

Like everyone else here, I am not impressed with Greg Walsh who has made some incorrect statements to the media or any of the Dawson brothers who seem to have an entitlement attitude. This has served them well in the past but not now and they don't like it, do they?

The court case will be very interesting. The Prosecutor will have to be very alert to manage all the lies they will try to tell.

 

[Cliff Hardy]

Like everyone else here, I am not impressed with Greg Walsh who has made some incorrect statements to the media or any of the Dawson brothers who seem to have an entitlement attitude. This has served them well in the past but not now and they don't like it, do they?

The court case will be very interesting. The Prosecutor will have to be very alert to manage all the lies they will try to tell.

Obviously Walsh only has to create reasonable doubt in one of the twelve jurors' minds - about a case based on circumstantial evidence - and Dawson walks forever. So they will be hellbent on spinning all manner of lies and deception.

 

[SouthAussie]

Obviously Walsh only has to create reasonable doubt in one of the twelve jurors' minds - about a case based on circumstantial evidence - and Dawson walks forever. So they will be hellbent on spinning all manner of lies and deception.

I think there may be a few things that an entire jury won't like. One of them being that Chris did not attend either of Lyn's inquests. Did not allow a coroner to test his 'witness statement'. Why not?


The first coroner, in 2001, took one look at the police brief and referred it to the DPP, recommending charges be laid against a "known person". Then-NSW DPP Nicholas Cowdery declined to prosecute on the grounds that witness statements hadn't been tested by the coroner.
The second coroner, in 2003, made the same recommendation. Mr Cowdery again chose not to prosecute.
Former DPP defends decision not to prosecute Lyn Dawson's husband

 

[k-mac]

I think there may be a few things that an entire jury won't like. One of them being that Chris did not attend either of Lyn's inquests. Did not allow a coroner to test his 'witness statement'. Why not?


The first coroner, in 2001, took one look at the police brief and referred it to the DPP, recommending charges be laid against a "known person". Then-NSW DPP Nicholas Cowdery declined to prosecute on the grounds that witness statements hadn't been tested by the coroner.
The second coroner, in 2003, made the same recommendation. Mr Cowdery again chose not to prosecute.
Former DPP defends decision not to prosecute Lyn Dawson's husband

with the most important statement of all never even presented..... chris first police statement ..never tracked down!!
that a journo got his hands on without much effort.


be nice to see some of these useless ball droppers have to be a part of the trial and explain to the nation why they kept their jobs.