GUILTY Australia - Lynette Dawson, 34, Sydney, Jan 1982 *Arrest* #4

[Trooper]

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[JustInterested77]

"Around 1987 or 1988, the new owners of the Bayview home at Gilwinga Drive visits solicitor Jeff Linder about something else and the conversation turns to the disappearance of Lynette Dawson. Mr Linden is told Chris Dawson recently visited the home and asked where the new owner was digging. No one reported the conversation to police. Jeff Linden has now claimed the conversation was chilling"
From this article

IMO Lynette is still at Gilwinga Drive

I agree. I think she is still there too. Or close by - maybe the bushland close to the house??

IMO JMO

 

[DRT]

In 1990, the police used ground penetrating radar. They were said to have focussed on the area around the pool, but perhaps they also went over the floor of the extension.

Ground penetrating radar is likely the only way they could safely see under the house, without digging up the whole extension.

https://www.news.com.au/national/nsw-act/courts-law/chris-dawson-murder-trial-inside-the-case-that-gripped-a-nation/news-story/ef5224494ab2eb3dca0639a2ac771ee1

The ground penetrating radar of the 1990s checked out if an area had been disturbed. It was designed more for an an area of bushland rather than a suburban backyard. I looked at a few cases where this had been used in the 1980/90s to no avail.

I haven't actually heard of any success at least on a cold case of using the modern ground penetrating radar that I believe at the time. The modern version of this is a concrete penetrating radar.

From memory with the 2018 searches they dug where they could until they hit rock.

Reading an old article they said they dug around the whole of the pool. The area where the soft soil was was only on the surface but they believed there was a sandstone shelf beneath the extension and there wasn't enough room for a body.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwjs3aDF9P_5AhX06zgGHaMIALcQFnoECAYQAQ&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.theaustralian.com.au%2Fpodcasts%2Fteachers-pet-police-dig-for-lyn-dawson-over-but-the-pursuit-of-justice-carries-on%2Fnews-story%2F1f89217c4b30618d5361ec1ece459702&usg=AOvVaw1orOnbchVmLV_q6GsioCsO

 

[DRT]

Looking at the bankcard information from the Antecedent Report. BBM. There is inconsistency here with the bank account situation. It has been confirmed that there was a separate bank card because of the child care centre receiving it. There were 2 different responses about this in the divorce proceedings to Lyn in 1983 and in the 1991 interview. He describes the statements being from the joint account. My understanding has always been if there is a bankcard coming from the same account that there would only be one statement that is sent. Knowing the bank card technology in the 1980s just having an imprint of the card, it may not be easy to distinguish who made a purchase. If the purchases did exist, it could have been Chris himself that made the purchases not Lyn. By the time the statement came out a shop assistant may not remember who made the purchases. Alternatively as the judge said. He could have just been lying about the statement.

1. The Antecedent Report includes the following mention of Lynette Dawson’s bankcard activity:

“Prior to Christmas, Lyn had opened her own bank account and bankcard. Statements for January show she made purchases at Katies Narrabeen on 12.1.82 and on February’s statement 27.1.82 Just Jeans Narrabeen. No further statement or payments were made on that account that arrived here.” [Emphasis added]

1. That assertion is to be compared with Mr Dawson’s affidavit in the Family Court in 1983 to the following effect:

“4. In February, 1982, I received my bankcard statement which showed that the respondent had effected two purchases on our joint bankcard at Warriewood Square in the latter part of January.” [Emphasis added]

And questions from 1991:

A. A joint account.

Q52. And that was a joint account. And you both had bankcards?

A. Yes.

Q53. And they both operated off that one account?

A. Yes.”

 

[Belleandsebastian]

Now I can finish the last two episodes. It got taken down before I could finish it!! Think I might listen to it from the start though.

Unfortunately you have to pay to subscribe to The Australian, and they are dolling one episode out a week, meaning you can't just binge it and then unsubscribe. Very frustrating .

 

[TootsieFootsie]

So the podcast is not just on delay, ie subscribers see it first. It really is only for subscribers period.

I'm Not Happy Jan too

Except that I did listen to the original podcast , but it would have been good to have another listen.

 

[Trooper]

Looking at the bankcard information from the Antecedent Report. BBM. There is inconsistency here with the bank account situation. It has been confirmed that there was a separate bank card because of the child care centre receiving it. There were 2 different responses about this in the divorce proceedings to Lyn in 1983 and in the 1991 interview. He describes the statements being from the joint account. My understanding has always been if there is a bankcard coming from the same account that there would only be one statement that is sent. Knowing the bank card technology in the 1980s just having an imprint of the card, it may not be easy to distinguish who made a purchase. If the purchases did exist, it could have been Chris himself that made the purchases not Lyn. By the time the statement came out a shop assistant may not remember who made the purchases. Alternatively as the judge said. He could have just been lying about the statement.

1. The Antecedent Report includes the following mention of Lynette Dawson’s bankcard activity:

“Prior to Christmas, Lyn had opened her own bank account and bankcard. Statements for January show she made purchases at Katies Narrabeen on 12.1.82 and on February’s statement 27.1.82 Just Jeans Narrabeen. No further statement or payments were made on that account that arrived here.” [Emphasis added]

1. That assertion is to be compared with Mr Dawson’s affidavit in the Family Court in 1983 to the following effect:

“4. In February, 1982, I received my bankcard statement which showed that the respondent had effected two purchases on our joint bankcard at Warriewood Square in the latter part of January.” [Emphasis added]

And questions from 1991:

A. A joint account.

Q52. And that was a joint account. And you both had bankcards?

A. Yes.

Q53. And they both operated off that one account?

A. Yes.”

I am sure there is a hell of a story behind those bank cards.... Nothing adds up, and I think it was the third episode of Hedley's where Marilyn is a bit sniffy about Lynn 'having so many shirts ...she had her own bankcard'.... it was a point of unresolved tension, some of them had one, some of them didn't...

Lyn having her statement sent to her work address, There is loads of implication there...

 

[TootsieFootsie]

...she had her own bankcard'.

What an enlightened woman Lyn was, having "her own bankcard".
I wonder how long she'd had it and was this a part of her standing up for herself.

Seems funny now, I mean these days to think of it not being usual for an adult woman having a bankcard on her own.

It makes me hopping mad that women were treated that way

I am woman, hear me roar!

 

[JustInterested77]

Unfortunately you have to pay to subscribe to The Australian, and they are dolling one episode out a week, meaning you can't just binge it and then unsubscribe. Very frustrating .

How annoying!!!!

 

[JustInterested77]

So the podcast is not just on delay, ie subscribers see it first. It really is only for subscribers period.

I'm Not Happy Jan too

Except that I did listen to the original podcast , but it would have been good to have another listen.

I was able to listen to all episodes except for the last two before it got taken down. Hopefully, once they have all been rereleased non subscribers will get to listen to it!!

 

[musicaljoke]

What an enlightened woman was, having "her own bankcard".
I wonder how long she'd had it and was this a part of her standing up for herself.

Seems funny now, I mean these days to think of it not being usual for an adult woman having a bankcard on her own.

It makes me hopping mad that women were treated that way

I am woman, hear me roar!

Lyn was a nurse, so she must have had a period when she was in college, and living independently. But do we know that for sure? Was she married after she became a nurse, or right out of high school?

JC, on the other hand, never lived independently before hooking up with CD, so she was much more vulnerable to financial control, especially if Chris Dawson was p-oed about Lyn's financial independence.

ETA ... Lyn was married when she was 21, so I assume that was after she graduated from nursing.

 

[DRT]

Lyn was a nurse, so she must have had a period when she was in college, and living independently. But do we know that for sure? Was she married after she became a nurse, or right out of high school?

JC, on the other hand, never lived independently before hooking up with CD, so she was much more vulnerable to financial control, especially if Chris Dawson was p-oed about Lyn's financial independence.

ETA ... Lyn was married when she was 21, so I assume that was after she graduated from nursing.

Lyn was dating Chris in high school. Looking at the Marriage Certificate she was a Student Nurse. The address was Cloverly, so she moved out of her parent's place and in the house with her future murderer. Marriage date was 26 March 1970.

Both were vulnerable. I am not sure if Lyn got a nursing degree or trained through the hospital system. In Australia, when living in a big city many students are at home while at college or in the university system.

The issue would be that whatever money was earnt would have gone into a joint bank account. The statements being sent to the home would mean that often the man would be making the payments.

While we can say that Chris had an issue with Lyn's spending based purely on Lyn having the credit card sent to her work, we don't know if there was any reasonable grounds for having issues.

 

[Cliff Hardy]

Listening to the latest episode of The Teacher's Trial - Verdict Episode 1 - I picked up on a few things i wasn't previously aware of :

* Chris Dawson spent the half hour lunch adjournment on the day the verdict was delivered, crying. No doubt they we tears for himself, not Lyn.

* After lunch the trial was moved 4 floors up, to a courtroom no bigger than the one used pre-lunch. There didn't seem to be any good reason for the shift. EXCEPT..it had dock. Whereas the pre-lunch courtroom did not. I wonder if Peter Dawson picked up on that straight away? Because it was a big hint Chris Dawson was headed - via the dock - into custody.

* Not only has Chris Dawson got a pronounced limp, Paul Dawson has an identical pronounced limp.

 

[K_i_w_i]

Listening to the latest episode of The Teacher's Trial - Verdict Episode 1 - I picked up on a few things i wasn't previously aware of :

* Chris Dawson spent the half hour lunch adjournment on the day the verdict was delivered, crying. No doubt they we tears for himself, not Lyn.

* After lunch the trial was moved 4 floors up, to a courtroom no bigger than the one used pre-lunch. There didn't seem to be any good reason for the shift. EXCEPT..it had dock. Whereas the pre-lunch courtroom did not. I wonder if Peter Dawson picked up on that straight away? Because it was a big hint Chris Dawson was headed - via the dock - into custody.

* Not only has Chris Dawson got a pronounced limp, Paul Dawson has an identical pronounced limp.

I wonder if the Judge announced at the adjournment that they would be moving Court rooms. CD might've realised then what was going to happen hence the crying.


It's terrible but I did laugh at the thought of him crying.

 

[DRT]

I wonder if the Judge announced at the adjournment that they would be moving Court rooms. CD might've realised then what was going to happen hence the crying.


It's terrible but I did laugh at the thought of him crying.

The judge obviously knew the decision at the start. Greg Walsh said it wasn't looking good when the judge said her was satisfied beyond a reasonable doubt the Lynette Dawson died on or about 8/9 January 1982. Chris obviously did too. This is an 8 minute interview and worth a listen.

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[K_i_w_i]

Thanks for sharing that DRT.

 

[musicaljoke]

‎The Teacher's Trial: Verdict Episode 2 - He Said, She Said on Apple Podcasts

The Teacher's Trial podcast is up, “A brilliant piece of writing.” That’s the verdict of acclaimed author Matthew Condon on Justice Ian Harrison’s 238-page judgment. Our in-depth analysis of the decision begins with the lie that brought Chris Dawson's defence undone: a call – supposedly made by his wife, Lyn – to the Northbridge Baths on January 9, 1982.

 

[TootsieFootsie]

In the podcast they said that they had phoned Nicholas Cowdery former NSW Director of Public Prosecutions, yesterday, asking for his opinion and the podcast says he said he was not going to make any public statements.

I remembered a news article from around the verdict time when he did make a comment, and it was in a Daily Telegraph article. I had to dig it up.

From the article dated 22nd August 2022

"It comes as the former top prosecutor who twice decided not to charge Chris Dawson with his wife’s murder has spoken out after Tuesday’s sensational guilty verdict.

“Justice has taken its course,” Nicholas Cowdery QC told The Daily Telegraph.

I would say he did make a public statement already, however brief.


Sometimes I'm just really disappointed in the media, because it makes it sound like he didn't make any public comment.
"at all"

https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/truecrimeaustralia/police-courts-nsw/nsws-toughest-murder-prosecutions-without-a-body/news-story/b0c7e6e1cae00aa72c143a3799eda2b7?amp&nk=1ca462fe40a4f89e3060bf789eae1693-1662760487

 

[TootsieFootsie]

I just realised that I didn't include the link that I quoted from re the former NSW Director of Public Prosecutions Nicholas
Cowdery making a comment after the guilty verdict.


"It comes as the former top prosecutor who twice decided not to charge Chris Dawson with his wife’s murder has spoken out after Tuesday’s sensational guilty verdict.

“Justice has taken its course,” Nicholas Cowdery QC told The Daily Telegraph"

https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/truecrimeaustralia/police-courts-nsw/nsws-toughest-murder-prosecutions-without-a-body/news-story/b0c7e6e1cae00aa72c143a3799eda2b7?amp&nk=1ca462fe40a4f89e3060bf789eae1693-1662772994

I was one of the many people disappointed that Chris Dawson wasn't charged back then.
Not only that but I had held Mr Cowdery in high regard and felt different after that.

Really if Lyn disappearing had been acted on right away, there may have been a chance to find her body.

WS is going crazy for me today, parts of my posts disappear and then come back. So my memory of posting the link was correct. I thought I was bonkers when I looked again and it was gone. It's back now

And when I composed something, and wanted to use the undo function it didn't work.

 

[DRT]

I just realised that I didn't include the link that I quoted from re the former NSW Director of Public Prosecutions Nicholas
Cowdery making a comment after the guilty verdict.


"It comes as the former top prosecutor who twice decided not to charge Chris Dawson with his wife’s murder has spoken out after Tuesday’s sensational guilty verdict.

“Justice has taken its course,” Nicholas Cowdery QC told The Daily Telegraph"

https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/truecrimeaustralia/police-courts-nsw/nsws-toughest-murder-prosecutions-without-a-body/news-story/b0c7e6e1cae00aa72c143a3799eda2b7?amp&nk=1ca462fe40a4f89e3060bf789eae1693-1662772994

I was one of the many people disappointed that Chris Dawson wasn't charged back then.
Not only that but I had held Mr Cowdery in high regard and felt different after that.

Really if Lyn disappearing had been acted on right away, there may have been a chance to find her body.

WS is going crazy for me today, parts of my posts disappear and then come back. So my memory of posting the link was correct. I thought I was bonkers when I looked again and it was gone. It's back now

And when I composed something, and wanted to use the undo function it didn't work.

I think the Australian Story Episode from a couple of years ago he basically says that Lyn could be living anywhere.