Australia Australia - Lynette Dawson, 34, Sydney, Jan 1982 *Arrest*

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  • #921
and to me, the cardigan points to death in the evening, more than in the day... I am assuming she had it on , then it was taken from her. and that it was before bedtime... ie, she was still in her day clothes, and put a cardigan, a light cashmere on when the sun went down. .. Say, around anywhere between 9pm and 12am....
 
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  • #922
here is a perfect example of proving the level of protection of chris dawson with the DPP.

the story of keli lane.
snippets from the link below.

February, 2006
After 18 months, the inquest finishes. State Coroner John Abernethy says he is comfortably satisfied Tegan Lane is dead, but says there is insufficient evidence to establish place, manner and cause of death. Instead of referring the matter to the NSW ODPP for possible prosecution, he delivers an open finding and refers the matter back to NSW Police for further investigation.

November, 2009
The NSW ODPP charges Keli Lane with murder and three counts of perjury related to the lies she told during the adoptions of her children.

July, 2010
Keli Lane's trial begins, she does not give evidence.

December 6, 2010
The jury retires in the Keli Lane trial, and deliberates for seven days.

December 13, 2010
Keli Lane is found guilty of murder and three counts of making a false statement by a majority verdict 11-1.

April 15, 2011
Keli Lane is sentenced to 18 years imprisonment with a non-parole period of 13 years and 5 months.

July 23, 2011
Keli Lane's appeal is heard in the Court of Criminal Appeal

December 13, 2013
Keli Lane's appeal is rejected

so here we have a case where the coroner says there is insufficient evidence to establish place, manner and cause of death but refers it to the nsw police to decide....where believe it or not the DPP press charges and get a conviction.

so here we have 2 coroners satisfied that lynnnette dawson ws murdered at the hands of her husband and the same nsw DPP refuses to act because of lacking evidence.

nothing to see here people though :confused::confused::confused::confused:

Keli Lane: Convicted baby killer speaks from jail to say she's innocent and her daughter is alive
 
  • #923
I just don't get it. What about the buried bloodied cardigan? Where's Lyn?


Her body is still around , somewhere !.. somewhere close, not distant, he had two little girls asleep at home, so he wasn't driving the body down to Cooma , or up to Grafton.. no.. Lynne's body is somewhere within the geoprofile of someone who has to set out, and get back within a rigid timeframe, an out and back journey, within the periphery of the murder itself. Sunset and sunup are the very outer limits of his timing, too .
 
  • #924
well haven't we heard this one before???
exactly the same!!
Husband reveals he is a suspect in wife's 1973 disappearance

another story of precisely the same old school acceptance of the husbands she ran of.

again the police are on to it NOW.
better late than never.

adding it because it highlights a disturbing pattern of complacency with police procedure at the time.:oops:
 
  • #925
well haven't we heard this one before???
exactly the same!!
Husband reveals he is a suspect in wife's 1973 disappearance

another story of precisely the same old school acceptance of the husbands she ran of.

again the police are on to it NOW.
better late than never.

adding it because it highlights a disturbing pattern of complacency with police procedure at the time.:oops:

Mornin, K... very much a case of complacency, but driven by a fierce and relentless pushback against what was referred to then as 'Women's Liberation'. a ferocious insistence of being offended by women expecting 'equal rights'...

Some women did indeed leave awful marriages, and particularly when the laws of divorce changed ( Chris Dawson would have been among the first runners affected by these major changes had he , and particularly Lynn , chosen that normal , legal route ) but some women were murdered , indeed, and the usual story was, they ran off. It covered so many bases.

Lynn was a working wife and mother, and this would have fed the idea that she was inclined to run off, she already had, in the eyes of a hell of a lot of authority that regarded married women working as an anathema...

It was law in the council offices of Brisbane, back in the 70's and early 8o's for example, that women who married while employed lost their jobs.. they had to resign.
 
  • #926
Her body is still around , somewhere !.. somewhere close, not distant, he had two little girls asleep at home, so he wasn't driving the body down to Cooma , or up to Grafton.. no.. Lynne's body is somewhere within the geoprofile of someone who has to set out, and get back within a rigid timeframe, an out and back journey, within the periphery of the murder itself. Sunset and sunup are the very outer limits of his timing, too .

I agree with you, but I also like to look outside the square a bit.

That Chris kept visiting the property and asking where the owners where digging certainly supports what you are saying, and what most of us have been thinking, but...

What if Chris did get a hit-man to do the job? I honestly don't think it can be completely discounted.
 
  • #927
here is a perfect example of proving the level of protection of chris dawson with the DPP.

the story of keli lane.
snippets from the link below.

February, 2006
After 18 months, the inquest finishes. State Coroner John Abernethy says he is comfortably satisfied Tegan Lane is dead, but says there is insufficient evidence to establish place, manner and cause of death. Instead of referring the matter to the NSW ODPP for possible prosecution, he delivers an open finding and refers the matter back to NSW Police for further investigation.

November, 2009
The NSW ODPP charges Keli Lane with murder and three counts of perjury related to the lies she told during the adoptions of her children.

July, 2010
Keli Lane's trial begins, she does not give evidence.

December 6, 2010
The jury retires in the Keli Lane trial, and deliberates for seven days.

December 13, 2010
Keli Lane is found guilty of murder and three counts of making a false statement by a majority verdict 11-1.

April 15, 2011
Keli Lane is sentenced to 18 years imprisonment with a non-parole period of 13 years and 5 months.

July 23, 2011
Keli Lane's appeal is heard in the Court of Criminal Appeal

December 13, 2013
Keli Lane's appeal is rejected

so here we have a case where the coroner says there is insufficient evidence to establish place, manner and cause of death but refers it to the nsw police to decide....where believe it or not the DPP press charges and get a conviction.

so here we have 2 coroners satisfied that lynnnette dawson ws murdered at the hands of her husband and the same nsw DPP refuses to act because of lacking evidence.

nothing to see here people though :confused::confused::confused::confused:

Keli Lane: Convicted baby killer speaks from jail to say she's innocent and her daughter is alive

It is a good example and interesting coincidence with the proximity of the two cases. The difference to me is, that at the time the coronial findings were handed to the ODPP, there was no other option of what could of happened to baby Tegan, or evidence apparently of her being in the care of someone else. Nicholas Chaudhary from the DPP at the time could not rule out the option apparently, that Lyn had left of her own free will. IMO
 
  • #928
at a girl
stay strong joanne
keep righting the wrong :cool:

as much as I wanna know EVERYTHING going on I am not ok with the media telling the whole country that she is walking into the cop shop clearly on a mission.

the paps truly need to leave her alone.

For her own safety!
 
  • #929
I agree with you, but I also like to look outside the square a bit.

That Chris kept visiting the property and asking where the owners where digging certainly supports what you are saying, and what most of us have been thinking, but...

What if Chris did get a hit-man to do the job? I honestly don't think it can be completely discounted.

It would be radical to discard that possibility... I tend towards a bit of radicalism, generally, and on this matter, it has a possibility but only faint, for these reasons , which are not , of course, the be all end all. merely mine.

They liked to do things themselves.. paving, building, gardening, infrastructure, their own tax returns, car maintenance, Chris promoted himself as both mother and father, . and so on. They had each other, Chris and Paul. Hiring a third party, .. dangerous, and outside their square, if I may..

And they seemed to be both mean and extravagant at the same time. the outlay would have caused major pain, to Chris specifically, but also to Paul, who would have liked to undercut the bid for the job.

The thing about hitmen is,, they have a lifetime to live. One eventually has to knock off the hitman as he/she is a constant source of endless requests... it hardly ever is a one off payment. you just cannot buy that kind of life long loyalty, not with a one off payment.

Then there is the problem of having the hit man at your home, where your kids live.. either that, or lure your wife out of the home.. Remember Calasjik,, the hotel owner, got someone to shoot his wife in bed ,, while he was right next to her?.. didn't work out, as the shooter lost his mojo and wanted to blab.. you cant rely on anyone these days!...

One thing that is an unknown, is,, how many times, and by what method did Chris try and kill Lynn before he actually succeeded? Lynn never told a soul, and he won't, either, but I bet he did.
 
  • #930
It would be radical to discard that possibility... I tend towards a bit of radicalism, generally, and on this matter, it has a possibility but only faint, for these reasons , which are not , of course, the be all end all. merely mine.

They liked to do things themselves.. paving, building, gardening, infrastructure, their own tax returns, car maintenance, Chris promoted himself as both mother and father, . and so on. They had each other, Chris and Paul. Hiring a third party, .. dangerous, and outside their square, if I may..

And they seemed to be both mean and extravagant at the same time. the outlay would have caused major pain, to Chris specifically, but also to Paul, who would have liked to undercut the bid for the job.

The thing about hitmen is,, they have a lifetime to live. One eventually has to knock off the hitman as he/she is a constant source of endless requests... it hardly ever is a one off payment. you just cannot buy that kind of life long loyalty, not with a one off payment.

Then there is the problem of having the hit man at your home, where your kids live.. either that, or lure your wife out of the home.. Remember Calasjik,, the hotel owner, got someone to shoot his wife in bed ,, while he was right next to her?.. didn't work out, as the shooter lost his mojo and wanted to blab.. you cant rely on anyone these days!...

One thing that is an unknown, is,, how many times, and by what method did Chris try and kill Lynn before he actually succeeded? Lynn never told a soul, and he won't, either, but I bet he did.

You make a lot of sound points there, and I agree Chris' stinginess has to be factored in.

But the stakes were high. Very high. In order to run off with Joanne, Chris was potentially going to lose way upward of 50% of everything, and his two children as well.

If you do the numbers, the cost of a hit-man, in comparison to what he stood to lose, pales in comparison. It would also have been much more convenient, as body disposal could have been included.

Chris spikes Lyn's drink. Puts her in the car while she's out to it. Meets up with hit-man on neutral territory not far from home. Hit-man takes Lyn. Chris home again in minutes flat. Hit-man disposes of body cleverly and under no time pressure.
 
  • #931
You make a lot of sound points there, and I agree Chris' stinginess has to be factored in.

But the stakes were high. Very high. In order to run off with Joanne, Chris was potentially going to lose way upward of 50% of everything, and his two children as well.

If you do the numbers, the cost of a hit-man, in comparison to what he stood to lose, pales in comparison. It would also have been much more convenient, as body disposal could have been included.

Chris spikes Lyn's drink. Puts her in the car while she's out to it. Meets up with hit-man on neutral territory not far from home. Hit-man takes Lyn. Chris home again in minutes flat. Hit-man disposes of body cleverly and under no time pressure.


then the hit man rides off into the sunset , never to contact them again... I just cant see that, human nature being what it is..

I don't doubt for one nanosecond that Chris told Joanne this yarn.. This would be to bolster Joannes faith in him and his capacity to fix anything, he's declaring his everlasting love to her, it's a story that a 16 yr old would take at face value from her married lover. It has all the ingredients of a terrific conspiracy which she is now part of.

But it is one more lie. He was lying and lying and lying, still lying, always a liar. Always. It was the fantasy of an older man trying to impress a young girl , and impress himself, too, don't forget. He comes out the hero in the yarn' I didn't want to kill innocent people!".. like as if Lynn isn't innocent?... he slips in a tremendous compliment about himself, with a straight face, no doubt.
 
  • #932
Also.. IF.. just say, IF there was a hitman and this conversation took place, . .. Chris would be a distinctive customer, for your average hitman, unforgettable, really. Even now..

2 Coroners inquests, and he doesn't rock up.. He knows that Chris has been employed all this time, bringing in a good wage, a safe career, lives on the Gold Coast, the Far North, the Sunshine coast, etc.. what's the bet that the hitman wasn't so lucky in his career?. He'd be keeping track of Chris, forever.
 
  • #933
something we over look too that could be relevant....is miser chris the school teacher /professional footballer /model......also worked for a GARBAGE REMOVAL company around 1980/81

interesting.

he wore a shirt from them that said 'we get rid of anything"
 
  • #934
Of course, Paul might do it, for a price.. Chris seemed to have, and without deserving it, the far better grip on the housing market, with a wife who's father tossed in $8000..00 ( worth about $350,000) today, with no strings to build up the Bayview property, while Paul and Marilyn seemed to struggle a bit, according to Marilyn.....both Chris and Paul would prefer parity, they said so, about everything they did. They didn't like competing against each other.

in that case, hitman is a distinct possibility, he could have easily nipped up from the caravan holiday , chonked Lynn, drove back... who would question it?....
 
  • #935
something we over look too that could be relevant....is miser chris the school teacher /professional footballer /model......also worked for a GARBAGE REMOVAL company around 1980/81

interesting.
ooooOOOO! well spotted!!….. ye gods.. he would know EVERYTHING about removal of unwanted debris!!…
 
  • #936
Also.. IF.. just say, IF there was a hitman and this conversation took place, . .. Chris would be a distinctive customer, for your average hitman, unforgettable, really. Even now..

2 Coroners inquests, and he doesn't rock up.. He knows that Chris has been employed all this time, bringing in a good wage, a safe career, lives on the Gold Coast, the Far North, the Sunshine coast, etc.. what's the bet that the hitman wasn't so lucky in his career?. He'd be keeping track of Chris, forever.

All logical. But we don't know a hit-man hasn't been back and collected additional favours for services rendered.

It's far fetched, but we need to be careful not to have the blinkers on. There are possibilities other than the obvious ones here.
 
  • #937
ooooOOOO! well spotted!!….. ye gods.. he would know EVERYTHING about removal of unwanted debris!!…
I just added to it troop sorry lol

I know right :oops:
 
  • #938
All logical. But we don't know a hit-man hasn't been back and collected additional favours for services rendered.

It's far fetched, but we need to be careful not to have the blinkers on. There are possibilities other than the obvious ones here.


Paul does it, Chris collects all the marriage settlement money from that faux 'divorce' , he bankrolls Pauls move to the Gold coast with him and Joanne, since Paul's house wasn't as valuable as Chris' was, now that Chris owns Bayview as sole owner..... yes.. that plays out for me!..
 
  • #939
All logical. But we don't know a hit-man hasn't been back and collected additional favours for services rendered.

It's far fetched, but we need to be careful not to have the blinkers on. There are possibilities other than the obvious ones here.


I don't have no blinkers on, pal.. I don't miss the obvious either. :cool::p:D
 
  • #940
Paul does it, Chris collects all the marriage settlement money from that faux 'divorce' , he bankrolls Pauls move to the Gold coast with him and Joanne, since Paul's house wasn't as valuable as Chris' was, now that Chris owns Bayview as sole owner..... yes.. that plays out for me!..

It doesn't satisfy Occum's Razor. But it isn't impossible.

More plausible for me though is that Chris has hit Lyn in a rage and 'accidentally' killed her. He's then rung Paul in a panic, and Paul and Chris have removed all sign of it occurring, including Lyn's body.
 
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