Australia Australia - Marion Barter, 51, missing after trip to UK, June 1997 #11

[Eyespywithmylittleeye]

If they both spent time together for a few days in Japan and they did not book a return trip, neither RB nor MB would have been entitled to the free night layover with JAL. You can buy airline tickets at the airport direct with the airline you wish to fly with. I would suggest that RB had a fake Remakel passport and they both went either to the airport to buy the next leg of their journey there or used a local travel agent in Japan. IMO it was important (as far as RB was concerned) for both to arrive at Heathrow at the same time due to the booking in of the bags at the baggage counter so that RB got access to MB's case with the documents later.

perhaps he did the I lost my passport thing and obtained one under FR using the licence and maybe a few other things..medicare card, bank account? He did it before OS and managed to get an aussie passport in a different name from an embassy

 

[mishy66]

I cant figure if DDH is as cold as ice and just as conniving as RB or a complete doormat with the inability to think for herself ? She had 7 months between the first police call and the inquest, clearly she has choose to do nothing in getting her head around the situation or doesn't want to.

RB travelled as - Fredy David - but DDH said he was WW when she meet him on the ship - then changed his name to Fedrick DH - my guess is he introduced himself as Fredrick David or that Freddy was short for Fredrick and that's how the Rick nickname came about, but she lied when she said he travelled as WW (wonder why)

She knows exactly what is going on IMO!

 

[Eyespywithmylittleeye]

What do we know about Mr. Manfred Joachim Lehninger?

the woman I was talking about is Ceglarski naturalised in 1957 lived at the same address
CERTIFICATES OF NATURALIZATION. - Commonwealth of Australia Gazette (National : 1901 - 1973) - 10 Jan 1957

 

[Eyespywithmylittleeye]

What do we know about Mr. Manfred Joachim Lehninger?

the woman I was talking about is Ceglarski naturalised in 1957 lived at the same address
CERTIFICATES OF NATURALIZATION. - Commonwealth of Australia Gazette (National : 1901 - 1973) - 10 Jan 1957

double post sorry its doing that thing it does

 

[Roseberry]

Well RB could have flown to Seoul from Tokyo to meet MB there to spend a few days together for her "interesting trip to the East". As a traveller, my gut feeling is that Tokyo in 1997 would have been a more appealing destination for a female in her 50s than Seoul would have been. But since when has RB ever considered the other person's interests? However, he had to lure Marion with a romantic destination for a possible fake marriage and Tokyo would have done it for me. I just can't see MB being alone in Seoul as Australians knew very little about Seoul in those days. My son married a South Korean so I went there to meet her parents (so I knew someone there) and the other time, I went to an International Rotary Convention. However, I don't like Korean food - especially hate kimchi - and if not, with company I would have been very lonely.

Agree with the kimchi - it's just a bad idea all round (don't store it in the fridge!). I suspect by the time MB has sold her house and changed her name, she's lost all control and is under complete control of the 'cult of two'. Regardless of what she thinks the intention might be (romantic purposes), she's going where she's going at his behest, and for his purposes. He has an ulterior motive to her travelling with him across the world - if he just wanted her money he could have achieved all that that back on home ground. She's a mule, plain and simple. The romance scam is secondary, and his slice of the pie. It's not a new theory - has been said before. Look at everything that's happened from that POV, and go from there. Solve for the intended (not actual) outcome of JO, solve for MB. IMO.

 

[mishy66]

I thought the Walkers may have taken DdH by ship to the UK to celebrate her 21st birthday rather than giving her a big party. Her father was 12 years older than her mother so maybe it was also his retirement trip.

Possibly.

 

[mishy66]

hmm I thought a while back a passenger card for both Mrs Wonka and Mr wonka under the brothers name was found by a sleuth - arriving end of march 1971.
I went down then gosbell street too, there was also a hungarian family there for a while, I wonder if the woman was the 'friend of IK's'. There's a lot of movement at the property including ads in trove, I think it may have been a boarding house at some stage.

Yes I found it under FD.
Her card is under her own name.

The address on these cards was not Gosbell. That address was on the 1969 entry.

 

[mishy66]

@Eyespywithmylittleeye When WW first arrived (Perth, Western Australia) in 1969, the address he was going to stay at for a 3 month holiday (6 Gosbell St, Paddington) was the home of a Mr. Manfred Joachim Lehninger, who had just received his Certificate of Naturalisation. But for the life of me, I cannot find the Chusan coming to Australia during the years in question. India (early 1971); fire in Southampton dock (July 71); South Africa (Dec 71 -Jan 72) and decommissioned (1973). Why aren't these things straightforward?

 

[Eyespywithmylittleeye]

more on 6 Gosbell Street, Paddington

It appears to me that it wasn't a house, a lot of different people living there. Here is an ad withdrawing sale of flatettes 1952.

Advertising - The Sydney Morning Herald (NSW : 1842 - 1954) - 22 Oct 1952

 

[mishy66]

the woman I was talking about is Ceglarski naturalised in 1957 lived at the same address
CERTIFICATES OF NATURALIZATION. - Commonwealth of Australia Gazette (National : 1901 - 1973) - 10 Jan 1957

double post sorry its doing that thing it does

wow!

Thanks for that @Eyespywithmylittleeye !

 

[Eyespywithmylittleeye]

I haven't seen this name or info before. What do we know about him?

I think he may have coached a soccer team Smithfield Hotspurs Soccer Club -

No title - The Biz (Fairfield, NSW : 1928 - 1972) - 19 Oct 1960

Hotspurs hold annual meeting - The Biz (Fairfield, NSW : 1928 - 1972) - 1 Mar 1961

 

[Eyespywithmylittleeye]

wow!

Thanks for that @Eyespywithmylittleeye !

No worries, got my countries muddled though - she was Polish but was from Germany.

 

[Eyespywithmylittleeye]

I haven't seen this name or info before. What do we know about him?

ok
he is German, arrived Melbourne per Sydney 11 Jan 1952

file isn't digitised.

Session expired | RecordSearch | National Archives of Australia

 

[Liselle]

because nothing about RB is straight forward

Agree!! Although the arrival cards have "Chusan" printed on there, my info about this ship's movements during this timeframe comes from the P&O shipping company. The "Chusan " travelling to Australia is not mentioned but other P&O's were on the Oz route.

 

[Liselle]

ok
he is German, arrived Melbourne per Sydney 11 Jan 1952

file isn't digitised.

Session expired | RecordSearch | National Archives of Australia

Born 1930, died 1969.

 

[Bibno]

Thinking about the scales...here in the 2020s it seems like an odd item to be worrying about returning.
But if I imagine leaving a job today then realising I still had a laptop/iPad that belonged to my employer or that I may have purchased with the petty cash, then I might be overly keen to get that returned asap too (especially if someone had made a complaint against me)

I remember the scales being brought up in a podcast and Sally said that her mother couldn't remember whether she had paid for them or the school had paid for them. Because she couldn't remember whether they were her property or the school's, she wanted them returned so there was no possible cause for complaint against her.

 

[Eyespywithmylittleeye]

Agree!! Although the arrival cards have "Chusan" printed on there, my info about this ship's movements during this timeframe comes from the P&O shipping company. The "Chusan " travelling to Australia is not mentioned but other P&O's were on the Oz route.

It sounds nuts but is it possible they just wrote Chusan? I’ve searched all the shipping routes too and 1971 dates for P&O don’t match leaving SH jan 71….
It went in the reverse and didn’t stop in Australia.? Another thing that doesn’t quite sit where it should lol

 

[ruby925]

It sounds nuts but is it possible they just wrote Chusan? I’ve searched all the shipping routes too and 1971 dates for P&O don’t match leaving SH jan 71….
It went in the reverse and didn’t stop in Australia.? Another thing that doesn’t quite sit where it should lol

Wasn't the Chusan a delayed departure due to weather, I thought it was due to sail Dec 70? Bit of a vague memory, but thought that was why RB was in the same hotel as DDH and family..of course if this was RB's evidence might not be right....

 

[brjakj]

It sounds nuts but is it possible they just wrote Chusan? I’ve searched all the shipping routes too and 1971 dates for P&O don’t match leaving SH jan 71….
It went in the reverse and didn’t stop in Australia.? Another thing that doesn’t quite sit where it should lol

I’m sure there are records of other people being on the Chusan at the same time. In naa record search if you search Chusan 1971 it should come up

 

[hoodunnit]

RGW connections to a person well known in the 'french quarter' of the Sydney scene back in the day, along with the person also offering up foreign translation for documents etc.

But the connections are VERY interesting - dates, ships, names, etc.

Gosh, you have been very busy mishy . I looked through all these docs yesterday. Are the "connections" in there? Nothing is jumping out for me