Found Deceased Australia - Melissa Caddick, 49, Sydney, NSW, 12 Nov 2020 #8

Status
Not open for further replies.
  • #681
Pity Party music. And I’m being generous.
 
  • #682
They say there's no accounting for taste. :)

It was mentioned in the latest episode of the Liar Liar podcast series that Kolettis' behavior will be discussed in more detail in future episodes.
It seems Koletti role in life was Caddick's toy boy. Nothing more, nothing less.
 
  • #683
I get the feeling he is a pretty simple guy, not overly intelligent and I can see that he was probably a mushroom in the relationship. Kept in the dark and fed a lot of BS. IMO

He would have just been loving life on the gravy train, sadly the gravy train rarely run forever

IMO
I agree. His “crime” was not questioning where the money came from, but he seems pretty gullible tbh. Who knows what explanation he was given, but it wouldn’t have been convenient for him to question it anyway.

He has lost his wife, but he’d be best not doing further interviews and just trying to get on with his life.
 
  • #684
I agree. His “crime” was not questioning where the money came from, but he seems pretty gullible tbh. Who knows what explanation he was given, but it wouldn’t have been convenient for him to question it anyway.

He has lost his wife, but he’d be best not doing further interviews and just trying to get on with his life.
Hello all... I am new to Websleuths. This case is a doozy!

IMO I think AK and MC did discuss the ASIC raid in great detail. When AK says they left her without a foot (leg) to stand on, I feel that these are MC's words that he is repeating.

As for the time between MC disappearing and AK appearing in the virtual court, IMO AK was sleeping off a hangover the day in between and was told to appear in front of the judge on MC's behalf as instructed by MC. There is a fine line between someone being gullible and someone being complicit.

What I can't get past is ASIC and the Federal Police not keeping eyes on MC after the raid. They have gone to all the trouble of building a case, getting warrants, having the personnel there to clear out the house, but they overlook the chance of her fleeing, being murdered or committing suicide! It almost looks like a deliberate attempt to create a gap in the timeline, a chance to confuse the narrative with speculation to cover up a bigger story. This then allows the powers that be to draw a neat line through the case exempting them from answering any questions until they are faced with new overwhelming evidence.

I hope the next time someone is accused of a fraud of this magnitude they are taken immediately into police custody...
 
  • #685
Welcome to Websleuths Lemmy Caution!

I don’t know. Following this case I am disappointed in ASIC’s follow-up too, particularly removing the CCTV hard drive without replacing it with another one. The thing is we will never know how completely ASIC would go with MC—to the extent perhaps of helping to make new laws protecting future investors—because she is gone. Case closed. After all that hard work, this is the worst outcome for all decent people. Criminals suck.
 
  • #686
he’d be best not doing further interviews and just trying to get on with his life.

I guess he's doing the interviews for the money but, IMO, the more he says publicly the worse he makes things for himslef.
 
  • #687
Following this case I am disappointed in ASIC’s follow-up too, particularly removing the CCTV hard drive without replacing it with another one.

ASIC or AFP? Media reports differ.

I'd love to know the real details of this. I find it hard to believe that ASIC would pull open a CCTV system's DVR and remove the drive. More likely, IMO, the CCTV was connected to a computer that was seized for evidence.
 
  • #688
The thing is we will never know how completely ASIC would go with MC—to the extent perhaps of helping to make new laws protecting future investors—because she is gone. Case closed. After all that hard work, this is the worst outcome for all decent people.
Exactly.

Would there have been any objection to MC in her active wear being lead out of the Dover Heights home in handcuffs. Once the raid was underway the cat is out of the bag. Compare this approach to the recent crime family raids in Western Sydney where they are being made to sit handcuffed in their underwear in the gutter while being filmed by the media. If we were to compare just in dollar terms who had the greater success in their criminal endeavours, I would guess MC with her 20 plus million over ten years would win hands down.

If I were one of her victims (or AK) the first thing I would be querying with ASIC/Federal Police is: why didn't MC face a bail hearing as a minimum requirement of her freedom? The fact that MC couldn't produce her passport should have been a red flag that maybe she had a back up plan if she was ever found out. Surely a present MC would have meant victims would receive whatever monies that could have been retrieved faster.

Was it inept policing, a reluctance to cause a scene and upset the good people of the eastern suburbs, or something more sinister?
 
  • #689
Exactly.

Would there have been any objection to MC in her active wear being lead out of the Dover Heights home in handcuffs. Once the raid was underway the cat is out of the bag. Compare this approach to the recent crime family raids in Western Sydney where they are being made to sit handcuffed in their underwear in the gutter while being filmed by the media. If we were to compare just in dollar terms who had the greater success in their criminal endeavours, I would guess MC with her 20 plus million over ten years would win hands down.

If I were one of her victims (or AK) the first thing I would be querying with ASIC/Federal Police is: why didn't MC face a bail hearing as a minimum requirement of her freedom? The fact that MC couldn't produce her passport should have been a red flag that maybe she had a back up plan if she was ever found out. Surely a present MC would have meant victims would receive whatever monies that could have been retrieved faster.

Was it inept policing, a reluctance to cause a scene and upset the good people of the eastern suburbs, or something more sinister?
I'm not sure they had evidence before the raid to charge her with a criminal offence. I don't understand why no one went looking for that evidence months before. Can't ASIC refer likely criminal fraud to AFP or NSW Police?
 
  • #690
From what I can gather, ASIC is hopelessly under-resourced for the scope of its compliance responsibilities. Accordingly, it is slow to act and slow to prosecute, and fraud is not as straightforward to prosecute as theft.

I am not sure that the AFP would have been in a position to charge Caddick with anything on the day of the raid and take her into custody.
 
  • #691
I'm not sure they had evidence before the raid to charge her with a criminal offence. I don't understand why no one went looking for that evidence months before. Can't ASIC refer likely criminal fraud to AFP or NSW Police?
From what I can gather, ASIC is hopelessly under-resourced for the scope of its compliance responsibilities. Accordingly, it is slow to act and slow to prosecute, and fraud is not as straightforward to prosecute as theft.

I am not sure that the AFP would have been in a position to charge Caddick with anything on the day of the raid and take her into custody.
I'm guessing that the folders in the background of the raid footage are full of client statements with dodgy CommSec numbers. A quick flick through those should have revealed the extent of the fraud. To me that would be same as finding a kilo of ice in a raid at a suspected underworld figure's house.

The tip off was either (a) she was using someone else's license number or (b) one of the client statements with the fake CommSec account numbers. I can't see how a raid is justified if ASIC didn't have at least one of these as evidence. ASIC deliberately didn't talk to everyone they had knowledge of out of fear that MC would catch wind of the impending raid. IMO I think ASIC knew before they went in the size of the fraud. Once inside the Dover Heights home the opulence of MC's lifestyle should have had alarm bells ringing.

Hopefully the inquest doesn't just go into whether or not MC jumped off the cliffs but explores what role ASIC and Federal Police procedures aided the eventual outcome.
 
  • #692
I can't see how a raid is justified if ASIC didn't have at least one of these as evidence. ASIC deliberately didn't talk to everyone they had knowledge of out of fear that MC would catch wind of the impending raid.

IIRC, ASIC had to bring forward the raid rather urgently because they learned that MC was planning a trip overseas.
 
  • #693
Welcome to the new members.

The last few posts have brought up some great points, which sadly we probably will never find out the answers for.

My conclusion at this point regarding the cctv is that it was probably connected to the computer hard drive. If this is the case then it’s not ASIC’s fault that it stopped working after the raid. The computer would have been necessary to seize on the day of the raid for obvious reasons.

Beyond this it’s disappointing that MC wasn’t arrested on the day of the raid, but as has been mentioned above and earlier it wasn’t in ASIC’s power to arrest her at that point during the investigation. Hopefully this never happens again.
 
  • #694
Welcome to the new members.

The last few posts have brought up some great points, which sadly we probably will never find out the answers for.

My conclusion at this point regarding the cctv is that it was probably connected to the computer hard drive. If this is the case then it’s not ASIC’s fault that it stopped working after the raid. The computer would have been necessary to seize on the day of the raid for obvious reasons.

Beyond this it’s disappointing that MC wasn’t arrested on the day of the raid, but as has been mentioned above and earlier it wasn’t in ASIC’s power to arrest her at that point during the investigation. Hopefully this never happens again.
It's just so odd! For the AFP and ASIC to have such a high presumption of guilt that they can seize all of her possessions but that presumption of guilt isn't enough for an arrest. BONKERS!!!

Just to be clear, I am firmly in the corner that MC is still alive. She was never going to acknowledge an investigation, ASIC/AFP or a judge, how dare they... If you want to disappear you do exactly what MC has done. You leave your phone behind so it doesn't ping off mobile towers and you obviously don't access known bank accounts.

The only thing that could sway me is the shoe and what is exactly in that shoe. If it is a few toes wedged in there with some flesh, I am not convinced she is dead. If it is the whole skeleton of a foot with evidence that it has detached from the body whilst being in the water for a period, I will then accept the suicide off the cliffs/foul play theories. The thought of MC paying someone to cut off her foot is a bridge too far for me.

What I fear is the inquest keeping these details out of public view for whatever reason. I do hope we get a submission from MC's son, his take on the whole sordid affair should be fascinating.
 
  • #695
It's just so odd! For the AFP and ASIC to have such a high presumption of guilt that they can seize all of her possessions but that presumption of guilt isn't enough for an arrest. BONKERS!!!

Just to be clear, I am firmly in the corner that MC is still alive. She was never going to acknowledge an investigation, ASIC/AFP or a judge, how dare they... If you want to disappear you do exactly what MC has done. You leave your phone behind so it doesn't ping off mobile towers and you obviously don't access known bank accounts.

The only thing that could sway me is the shoe and what is exactly in that shoe. If it is a few toes wedged in there with some flesh, I am not convinced she is dead. If it is the whole skeleton of a foot with evidence that it has detached from the body whilst being in the water for a period, I will then accept the suicide off the cliffs/foul play theories. The thought of MC paying someone to cut off her foot is a bridge too far for me.

What I fear is the inquest keeping these details out of public view for whatever reason. I do hope we get a submission from MC's son, his take on the whole sordid affair should be fascinating.
I don’t believe we’ll get much more information than what we have now tbh, but hopefully I’m wrong.

I believe the remains were more than just toes, that it was an actual foot but the remains weren’t in great condition when the post-mortem was conducted.
 
  • #696
  • #697
I’m firmly in the suicide or murdered camp. Paying off a surgeon, and probably an anaesthetist and a nurse in the bargain, not to mention the significant rehabilitation and chronic pain you would need to go through to recover from the severing of your healthy foot … no. Also throwing your foot in the ocean gives no guarantee of it being found, and why not a finger or toe for that matter. I’m of the view that Melissa wanted to escape and perhaps had tried to formulate an escape plan in the months before, but on the night ASIC had left she realised there was no way out for her. If forced to choose between having to face her victims, which included family members and friends she had known for years, face jail time, face the loss of her reputation, her lifestyle, and dying, she would have chosen suicide. (JMO) Someone may have killed her, but did anyone know about the raid at that point? Apart from AK.
 
  • #698
https://www.smh.com.au/national/exp...caddick-cut-off-her-foot-20220526-p5aotv.html
I believe the same. Right now I believe it’s probably murder, but she escaped from her house first. How all of that played out is the question.
Having said that, even with the public saying that suicide from the cliffs wouldn’t have been possible due to the cameras I don’t think that theory can be dismissed. MC knew her life was over as she knew it & jail / public disgrace just wasn’t an option.
 
  • #699
It still beats me how MC was able to disappear from her house without any of the many cameras nearby picking her up.
 
  • #700

I liked this part. :D Anthony Koletti was evicted.

Earlier this month, Caddick's husband Anthony Koletti was evicted from their five-bedroom mansion after it was possessed by liquidators Jones Partners.
Koletti had been living at the Dover Heights home rent-free since Caddick's disappearance.
Jones Partners said it would now be preparing to put the house on the market and engage a real estate agent
 
Status
Not open for further replies.

Members online

Online statistics

Members online
111
Guests online
2,967
Total visitors
3,078

Forum statistics

Threads
632,922
Messages
18,633,608
Members
243,339
Latest member
RedMorning
Back
Top