GUILTY Australia - Morgan Huxley, 31, stabbed to death, Neutral Bay, NSW, 8 Sept 2013 #2

[SouthAussie]

And I think that we have to tread lightly … by speculating that Morgan can’t have had any gay interests, we may be offending any gay people who may be reading this thread. We have lots of guests.

 

[SapphireSteel]

Sorry ... this one is still good (for now anyway )


"THE killer of Morgan Huxley may have attacked him while he was having sex, police believe."

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/ne...ty-call8217-link/story-fni0cx12-1226724417519


ETA: But I do want to add that I also have not dispelled the theory that Morgan had a female booty call, who left soon after, left the door unlocked, and DJK slipped in and attacked Morgan while he was sleeping. He may have been watching Morgan, was infatuated with him, or ‘had’ to murder him according to some fantasy mission.

Just usually turns out that the simplest explanation is the one that ends up being the case.

From the article -

"It could be he took the wrong girl home, we don't know," a police source said. "We are just waiting to get all the forensic material back, then we will know exactly what has occurred."

There's that girl again.

Maybe Morgan was having sex, with a booty call - a female booty call.

The article implicates he had a few F buddies - female.

Reading between the lines, it sounds as if Morgan was having sex with a female and attacked from behind by the freak.

It wasn't the freak he was having sex with.

There was a woman involved somehow....traces of female vaginal fluids or something.

Then again, maybe it was all earlier in the day and Morgan was lying face down to recreate the moment? Left his door unlocked as you do when you're a handsome strapping young man hoping for a booty call...

There is a woman in all these we don't yet know about. I bet LE do though.

:cow:
:cow:

 

[Ausgirl]

And await we might, Mrs. G, for a long time yet. Though we MIGHT have someone in the courtroom, which will help!

I'm thankful, btw, for the legally-minded among us who are contributing. :heart:

 

[IHAVENOCLUE]

I would really like to know why & how DK was allowed to hold onto his book

First time that I have ever seen anyone in handcuffs holding anything, don't buy the fact that he was upset or 'needed' it for some reason, what do you guys think?

This is just a thought regarding DJK holding a book while being arrested...

Could be this is an example of his control needs...
(He wants the book... And won't go easily to jail without it)

He wants/expects things done HIS way...

Again... Another Jodi Arias similarity...

As Jodi attempted (and succeeded :banghead to manipulate/contol her court case drama into a circus...

Maybe this is a sign of things to come in DJK's trial?

:dunno:

another thought... I wonder if it HIS book... Or if it belongs to someone else...(Like MH lent it to him.... Or something?) ... And it has some creepy symbolic meaning for him?

Again... :dunno:

 

[Hejlena]

From the article -

"It could be he took the wrong girl home, we don't know," a police source said. "We are just waiting to get all the forensic material back, then we will know exactly what has occurred."

There's that girl again.

Maybe Morgan was having sex, with a booty call - a female booty call.

The article implicates he had a few F buddies - female.

Reading between the lines, it sounds as if Morgan was having sex with a female and attacked from behind by the freak.

It wasn't the freak he was having sex with.

There was a woman involved somehow....traces of female vaginal fluids or something.

Then again, maybe it was all earlier in the day and Morgan was lying face down to recreate the moment? Left his door unlocked as you do when you're a handsome strapping young man hoping for a booty call...

There is a woman in all these we don't yet know about. I bet LE do though.

:cow:
:cow:

I think this article was written before the arrest of the male suspect.

And I really think it's exceedingly offensive to keep reading about how Morgan *had* to have had sex with a woman that night, and how it's somehow so offensive to his character that he possibly had consensual sex with a male.

And you're right--if it was a woman found murdered with her pants off we would probably jump to the assumption that she was raped by a male, and we would not even consider the possibility that she had consensual sex with a female.

That would be wrong too. Because it closes doors on finding the truth.

Nobody is assassinating Morgan's character by suggesting he could have had consensual sex with a male. That would be homophobic and small.

 

[SouthAussie]

Okay, I give up ... :truce:

Not because I think that Morgan's family give two hoots about how he chose to live his private life, I don't believe it would matter to them, but because I don't believe it has any bearing at all on the case.

Male sexual encounter/female sexual encounter ... he was still their Morgan. Dearly loved, brutally killed, sadly missed, ever remembered.

 

[Mrs G Norris]

Why close our minds to the possibility that Morgan had consensual sex with DJK that night? We do not know. He may well have slept with men and kept it to himself, he may well have slept with men and been open about it. I know a few men who are very so called straight and have slept with men too.

 

[BoxHead]

Welcome Northern Beaches!!

Really interesting what you're saying re larceny and MH's wallet. I had been wondering how the police would know he stole - and that would definitely explain it!

In regards to who MH would be sexually attracted to, I think none of us can really know that. He may well have liked men who are femme and boyish but women who are glamourous. Sexual attraction can be a weird, non-logical thing!!!

Top post.

It is a mystery to me why Morgan seems to be attractive to women. He appears ordinary to me and no better looking that DK. The women he hung around with on the other hand are attractive.

The perceived attractiveness of Morgan has somehow translated into DK being assumed to have stalked him. There is no evidence of stalking at all.

 

[SouthAussie]

Top post.

It is a mystery to me why Morgan seems to be attractive to women. He appears ordinary to me and no better looking that DK. The women he hung around with on the other hand are attractive.

The perceived attractiveness of Morgan has somehow translated into DK being assumed to have stalked him. There is no evidence of stalking at all.

BBM

No mystery to me BoxHead .. he was a hunka burning love! :heartluv:

:lol: :lol:

 

[Ausgirl]

Boxhead - there's little evidence of anything else, either. :B

But I must point out that DJK was seen in a number of places of Morgan was, in the weeks prior to the murder. Which could be chalked up to both being local but... you know? Seeing as DJK murdered him and all.

There's the alleged weirdy loner behaviour of DJK, some questions about his work habits.. things that suggest (however loosely at this point) that he was a bit 'off' and perhaps then inclined to reach out to people in let's just say - unconventional ways.

To me, there's actually much more in the surrounding info to suggest 'stalker' than 'gay hookup'.

I think at this point, all theories are worth discussing. Facts can /will change opinions as they come in, no doubt.

 

[Ausgirl]

BBM

No mystery to me BoxHead .. he was a hunka burning love! :heartluv:

:lol: :lol:

omg this is why I can't drink coffee around you people.

 

[BoxHead]

BBM

No mystery to me BoxHead .. he was a hunka burning love! :heartluv:

:lol: :lol:

My point exactly. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. I find it strange that women presume to know what a man would find physically desirable about another man. I have a fair idea what a man finds attractive about a woman but I think women on here seem to assume what a woman finds attractive in a man is what a gay man finds attractive in a man. This does not follow.

 

[Nikki_2]

Something else that I thought could be a possibility, although I find it difficult as MH is deceased, I definately don't want this to seem as some kind of slur, merely speculation

What if all of this is the other way around.. What if MH treated DK as someone whom he called when it suited him?

We know what all of MH's friends, gf's, ff, etc thought of him, MH had to keep living up to expections of others, he had put himself in that position, all this adds to pressure, for release he had DK.. perhaps MH was not always as nice as he is portrayed, afterall he was human, there could have been a totally different side to him which noone knows or wishes to disclose

DK could have been one or the only person who saw & experienced this otherside. MH could have had DK come at his beck & call, anywhere, anytime, we sort of assume by now they did not just strike up a friendship that night

perhaps this is why DK was sort of hanging around in the places where MH frequented, not stalking, but hoping that MH might want to see/be with him.

DK might have regarded him as a true friend/lover, where this was not the case for MH.

This might explain how DK 'overpowered' MH, MH trusted him, but also did not regard him as anything other than a nerdy, non threatining kid, who served for convinience, whilst he had his back turned to DK ( for whatever reason) DK could have finally snapped & had enough of being treated unfairly & not in the way that he believed or was led to believe

Perhaps MH was cranky that night as he was used to DK doing what & when he was told, & DK was late or did not understand the instructions well, ei where & how to meet?

Hope this makes sense, as I am reluctant to tarnish MH's character, but this a crime & we don't know that DK was simply some nut case who went on some killing rampage - that somehow does not make sense either. DK, has been charged with murder, we know this,

we have yet to see if his laywer will also present that DK was some kind of victim in all of this too.

In regards to "watch the quiet ones" that seems to place quiet ppl in a category - perhaps some quiet ppl are sick of listening to loudmouth bs & prefer to occupy themselves with their own interests,

the perception that under a quiet person lies some demonic lunatic is perhaps abit outdated too

 

[BoxHead]

Boxhead - there's little evidence of anything else, either. :B

But I must point out that DJK was seen in a number of places of Morgan was, in the weeks prior to the murder. Which could be chalked up to both being local but... you know? Seeing as DJK murdered him and all.

There's the alleged weirdy loner behaviour of DJK, some questions about his work habits.. things that suggest (however loosely at this point) that he was a bit 'off' and perhaps then inclined to reach out to people in let's just say - unconventional ways.

To me, there's actually much more in the surrounding info to suggest 'stalker' than 'gay hookup'.

I think at this point, all theories are worth discussing. Facts can will change opinions as they come in, no doubt.

Or alternatively Morgan was seen in a number of places where DK was.

 

[Mrs G Norris]

Something else that I thought could be a possibility, although I find it difficult as MH is deceased, I definately don't want this to seem as some kind of slur, merely speculation

What if all of this is the other way around.. What if MH treated DK as someone whom he called when it suited him?

We know what all of MH's friends, gf's, ff, etc thought of him, MH had to keep living up to expections of others, he had put himself in that position, all this adds to pressure, for release he had DK.. perhaps MH was not always as nice as he is portrayed, afterall he was human, there could have been a totally different side to him which noone knows or wishes to disclose

DK could have been one or the only person who saw & experienced this otherside. MH could have had DK come at his beck & call, anywhere, anytime, we sort of assume by now they did not just strike up a friendship that night

perhaps this is why DK was sort of hanging around in the places where MH frequented, not stalking, but hoping that MH might want to see/be with him.

DK might have regarded him as a true friend/lover, where this was not the case for MH.

This might explain how DK 'overpowered' MH, MH trusted him, but also did not regard him as anything other than a nerdy, non threatining kid, who served for convinience, whilst he had his back turned to DK ( for whatever reason) DK could have finally snapped & had enough of being treated unfairly & not in the way that he believed or was led to believe

Perhaps MH was cranky that night as he was used to DK doing what & when he was told, & DK was late or did not understand the instructions well, ei where & how to meet?

Hope this makes sense, as I am reluctant to tarnish MH's character, but this a crime & we don't know that DK was simply some nut case who went on some killing rampage - that somehow does not make sense either. DK, has been charged with murder, we know this,

we have yet to see if his laywer will also present that DK was some kind of victim in all of this too.

In regards to "watch the quiet ones" that seems to place quiet ppl in a category - perhaps some quiet ppl are sick of listening to loudmouth bs & prefer to occupy themselves with their own interests,

the perception that under a quiet person lies some demonic lunatic is perhaps abit outdated too

Yes, exactly that of course is a possibility!

 

[BoxHead]

Something else that I thought could be a possibility, although I find it difficult as MH is deceased, I definately don't want this to seem as some kind of slur, merely speculation

What if all of this is the other way around.. What if MH treated DK as someone whom he called when it suited him?

We know what all of MH's friends, gf's, ff, etc thought of him, MH had to keep living up to expections of others, he had put himself in that position, all this adds to pressure, for release he had DK.. perhaps MH was not always as nice as he is portrayed, afterall he was human, there could have been a totally different side to him which noone knows or wishes to disclose

DK could have been one or the only person who saw & experienced this otherside. MH could have had DK come at his beck & call, anywhere, anytime, we sort of assume by now they did not just strike up a friendship that night

perhaps this is why DK was sort of hanging around in the places where MH frequented, not stalking, but hoping that MH might want to see/be with him.

DK might have regarded him as a true friend/lover, where this was not the case for MH.

This might explain how DK 'overpowered' MH, MH trusted him, but also did not regard him as anything other than a nerdy, non threatining kid, who served for convinience, whilst he had his back turned to DK ( for whatever reason) DK could have finally snapped & had enough of being treated unfairly & not in the way that he believed or was led to believe

Perhaps MH was cranky that night as he was used to DK doing what & when he was told, & DK was late or did not understand the instructions well, ei where & how to meet?

Hope this makes sense, as I am reluctant to tarnish MH's character, but this a crime & we don't know that DK was simply some nut case who went on some killing rampage - that somehow does not make sense either. DK, has been charged with murder, we know this,

we have yet to see if his laywer will also present that DK was some kind of victim in all of this too.

In regards to "watch the quiet ones" that seems to place quiet ppl in a category - perhaps some quiet ppl are sick of listening to loudmouth bs & prefer to occupy themselves with their own interests,

the perception that under a quiet person lies some demonic lunatic is perhaps abit outdated too

This is highly plausable. I can't say being romantically linked with 14 women at the same time makes me think he qualifies as a top bloke. If he had a relationship with DK he could well have been using him.

However, if that was the case and DK snapped then I would expect far of the 28 blows to have landed.

 

[Ausgirl]

the perception that under a quiet person lies some demonic lunatic is perhaps abit outdated too

I'm not sure why you think anyone has that perception. But I certainly do not.

 

[SouthAussie]

I'm not sure why you think anyone has that perception. But I certainly do not.

Me neither ... just you don't know what they are thinking, their opinions, how they feel about things. I think when my mum said that to me it was in relation to things I said in front of the quiet ones (being a tad outspoken :whistle: I could hurt their feelings).

But great post Nikki_2 ... lots of valid points in there! Some of us have wondered how the many 'love' interests really felt about Morgan playing the field .. and his booty calls (I noticed in MSM one person said Morgan had contacted her for a booty call weeks before, and she had refused). Maybe DJK was way down the call list ... not where he wanted to be?

 

[AJM86]

Have been lurking for a while, you all have some great theories, so I thought I'd share my thoughts.

I've been following this case with interest as I live very local, in fact I drive down Watson St most days, I buy take away's from a lot of the places mentioned in the various articles, Crust in particular. The riot squad was searching outside my building for the murder weapon one day.

There are a few things that just don't quite add up for me. In fact my first thought before it was even revealed that MH was a 'ladies man' was a Grindr hook up gone wrong. I guess being a gay guy who uses Grindr in the area, it was something that came to mind. I don't ever recall ever seeing MH or DJK on the app, but then I don't remember everyones profile who I just may casually browse over. Or they may not have had face pics.

I think they knew each other prior, and had previously met up for sex. It's not uncommon for a guy just to enjoy sex, MH may not have even been bi or bi curious, he just enjoyed the sex, whether male or female, but it was just that, sex, nothing more.

It seems odd to me that MH went to the Oaks alone, he seemed a popular guy, had been out all with friends etc, why not stay on with them if he wanted to continue drinking. Was he a bit early for his pre-arranged meet up time? So had a beer to fill in time. Was DJK late, that's why he left the house with no shoes, but ended up staying for a beer to fill in the time. It also seems odd that he exited onto Ben Boyd Rd, and paced up and down a few times as reported. If he was just heading straight back home, he could have used the doors on Military Rd and walked to the lights at Watson St.

We are unsure where DJK was working, if at all, there are quite a few take away places opposite the Oaks (Kebab shop etc), perhaps he was working as a kitchen hand at one of these that night (casual cash in hand job?) and MH was waiting for him to finish his shift? Or they simply had planned to meet at that location, because MH wanted to go home first to check the coast was clear for him to come over? His flatmate may well have been aware of what MH was up to but he still liked to keep it discreet, ie check she didn't have friends over and they were socialising in the living room etc.

It's not uncommon for people to meet up for 'discreet' sex, basically entailing even if you were to pass each other in the street you don't acknowledge each other and that's that. I'm just not sure how they would have come across each other in the first place. Maybe DJK had observed MH using particular websites at the internet case. Because again if you have a computer at home/smart phone etc, why else are you using the internet at an internet cafe. He may have approached him in person, or tracked down the online profile and started chatting with him and they decided to meet up?

This is where I then think DJK became obsessed, infatuated even with MH, perhaps stalking him to a point, he may not have even intended to kill him that night, but after they had 'had some fun', MH half asleep basically told him to let himself and drifted off to sleep at this point, DJK snapped at this point having a fantasy in his head about MH and himself, grabbed a knife from his 'chefs kit' stabbing and incapacitating him before he had any idea what was going on.

It could also be this scenario but he was paying DJK for the sex, again this is not uncommon. But DJK becoming obsessed with MH, and to MH it was just sex and DJK wanted more from him. The money he allegedly stole could have in fact have been intended for him? Perhaps the amount found matched an ATM withdrawal of MH's from that evening or days prior.

The initial reports were that MH had been having sex with a woman prior to his death. Could it just be that it was assumed at the time it was a woman? Evidence in the room of a female may have been from days prior? And after further investigations it revealed he'd in fact been having sex with a male, these details were never made public and that when the investigation took a turn? Initially they may have been scrutinising the footage looking for a female and had discounted DJK in the footage in the initial investigations.

Anyways that's just my thoughts, probably way off but who knows.

 

[Ausgirl]

My point exactly. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. I find it strange that women presume to know what a man would find physically desirable about another man. I have a fair idea what a man finds attractive about a woman but I think women on here seem to assume what a woman finds attractive in a man is what a gay man finds attractive in a man. This does not follow.

Jeez BH, I'm not out to disagree with everything you say, honest. =P Just, you say interesting things I happen to .. yeah. Disagree with. :lol:

Not that I do in this instance, so much as want to point out that in my case, it's not the physical attraction thing I'm iffy on (DJK isn't hideous) but more that they've got so very little in common personality- and lifestyle-wise, based on what I can see of them. Not that that's a factor for some, I suppose.

Speaking as a 'woman here'.