GUILTY Australia - Morgan Huxley, 31, stabbed to death, Neutral Bay, NSW, 8 Sept 2013 #2

[Flinders]

There was blood on DK's satchel & on his prescription glasses, was he wearing those glasses on the night of the murder

still cannot work out how he managed to escape with blood on his clothing & hands - & not be seen by anyone

DK's father said that they would be making another statement , why?

I can understand that DK's family is under overwhelming duress, a nightmare that would be crushing, noone thinks they are involved in any way.

Silly thought, somewhere I read that DK's father would on ocassions have lunch/dinner with DK - eating out, it seems that perhaps his dad was the closest to him, perhaps he had noticed that something was wrong, or a change in DK after he committed the murder

I know, DK might have not shown any emotion or acted differently, but maybe his dad saw or sensed something different about him

Re. The blood on DK's clothes. He could have easily worn a t shirt and shorts under the chefs outfit. He is thin and chefs wear a looser outfit due to the movement they need. Maybe the bag he carried was 'for a change of outfit'?

 

[marlywings]

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[Strangeworld]

If DJK had been living a lie to the extent of leaving his home for work that didn't exist daily, and then inventing stories about 'how his day went', buying a chef's uniform, keeping somewhat regular hours for that factitious job, inventing work colleagues, etc etc .. then that is one stressful life, that's someone living well and truly on the edge, way before his path intersected with Morgan's.

He may have even managed to collect some form of social security, and therefore needed to hide that too. Meet the mail just in case, deal with Centerlink, the list goes on for how one lie can lead to many many others.

If true, that lie was created to hide and cover up for someone already feel less than great about who he is, someone in despair, full of self hatred, feeling inadequate, and not able to match it with his peers.

Now on top of that you add a guy who is gay, in a world, that may seem gay friendly, but we all know it isn't, not really .. the rate of suicides for young gay men tell quite a sad story for the stress it can cause some young people.

I don't think it would have taken much to push DJK over the edge at that time, it may have been just one small thing that pushed him from desperate to homicidal, and unfortunately the knives were handy, because he carried them in his satchel, the prop he carried with him to support the big lie .. that he was a young up and coming chef, happy in the world and thriving, when the reality was something altogether different.

Great post Mrs G!

And just because I've always wanted to use this smilie - here's a bananalama!

:bananalama:

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[Makara]

Excellent post AJM86 and welcome. I'm also leaning to it having been paid for sex with DJK. At this stage though, it is difficult to even speculate (without giving myself a headache) until more information is released.

Have been lurking for a while, you all have some great theories, so I thought I'd share my thoughts.

I've been following this case with interest as I live very local, in fact I drive down Watson St most days, I buy take away's from a lot of the places mentioned in the various articles, Crust in particular. The riot squad was searching outside my building for the murder weapon one day.

There are a few things that just don't quite add up for me. In fact my first thought before it was even revealed that MH was a 'ladies man' was a Grindr hook up gone wrong. I guess being a gay guy who uses Grindr in the area, it was something that came to mind. I don't ever recall ever seeing MH or DJK on the app, but then I don't remember everyones profile who I just may casually browse over. Or they may not have had face pics.

I think they knew each other prior, and had previously met up for sex. It's not uncommon for a guy just to enjoy sex, MH may not have even been bi or bi curious, he just enjoyed the sex, whether male or female, but it was just that, sex, nothing more.

It seems odd to me that MH went to the Oaks alone, he seemed a popular guy, had been out all with friends etc, why not stay on with them if he wanted to continue drinking. Was he a bit early for his pre-arranged meet up time? So had a beer to fill in time. Was DJK late, that's why he left the house with no shoes, but ended up staying for a beer to fill in the time. It also seems odd that he exited onto Ben Boyd Rd, and paced up and down a few times as reported. If he was just heading straight back home, he could have used the doors on Military Rd and walked to the lights at Watson St.

We are unsure where DJK was working, if at all, there are quite a few take away places opposite the Oaks (Kebab shop etc), perhaps he was working as a kitchen hand at one of these that night (casual cash in hand job?) and MH was waiting for him to finish his shift? Or they simply had planned to meet at that location, because MH wanted to go home first to check the coast was clear for him to come over? His flatmate may well have been aware of what MH was up to but he still liked to keep it discreet, ie check she didn't have friends over and they were socialising in the living room etc.

It's not uncommon for people to meet up for 'discreet' sex, basically entailing even if you were to pass each other in the street you don't acknowledge each other and that's that. I'm just not sure how they would have come across each other in the first place. Maybe DJK had observed MH using particular websites at the internet case. Because again if you have a computer at home/smart phone etc, why else are you using the internet at an internet cafe. He may have approached him in person, or tracked down the online profile and started chatting with him and they decided to meet up?

This is where I then think DJK became obsessed, infatuated even with MH, perhaps stalking him to a point, he may not have even intended to kill him that night, but after they had 'had some fun', MH half asleep basically told him to let himself and drifted off to sleep at this point, DJK snapped at this point having a fantasy in his head about MH and himself, grabbed a knife from his 'chefs kit' stabbing and incapacitating him before he had any idea what was going on.

It could also be this scenario but he was paying DJK for the sex, again this is not uncommon. But DJK becoming obsessed with MH, and to MH it was just sex and DJK wanted more from him. The money he allegedly stole could have in fact have been intended for him? Perhaps the amount found matched an ATM withdrawal of MH's from that evening or days prior.

The initial reports were that MH had been having sex with a woman prior to his death. Could it just be that it was assumed at the time it was a woman? Evidence in the room of a female may have been from days prior? And after further investigations it revealed he'd in fact been having sex with a male, these details were never made public and that when the investigation took a turn? Initially they may have been scrutinising the footage looking for a female and had discounted DJK in the footage in the initial investigations.

Anyways that's just my thoughts, probably way off but who knows.

 

[marlywings]

Interesting/eerie info about "the book" in the latest report.

Magician, by Raymond E. Feist, tells the story of Pug, an orphaned kitchen-hand who becomes a magician's apprentice.

It was the first book of 30 written as part of the series known to fans as the Riftwar Cycle.

More than 30 years after the book was written, Feist brought his much-loved series to an end in May this year.

The blurb to Magician's End reads: “Now it will all end. Readers will finally discover the fate of the original black Magician, Pug, and his friends. Will they survive? Or will someone die?”

http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/morgan-hu...pped-sydney-20131011-2vcva.html#ixzz2hOLmerBa

 

[Northern Beaches]

WOW. Well, a few new-ish snippets and confirmations from that article. I won't post quotes, as I'll break the 10% TOS but I'll paraphrase and reference...

http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/morgan-hu...pped-sydney-20131011-2vcva.html#ixzz2hOEdO2JW

-- The part about DJK walking.. speeding up... and then running to catch up with Morgan was really interesting...

-- DJK doesn't start running til he reaches the pub - was he not wanting to be seen chasing Morgan?

-- And the police WERE !!! being tricksy with the woman suspect stuff - it sounds like DJK was their -only- suspect for several weeks!

-- The links to NZ were spot on! Go fruity! (the person 'fruity' I mean - I'm not suggesting .. nevermind.)

-- I'm going to quote this bit (bbm):

While Huxley was almost a permanent fixture at the Oaks Hotel, Kelsall spent every day at a cluster of takeaway shops across the road.

Every single employee at Crust Pizza, Thai-in-a-box, Paddy's Pies and Curry Palace on Ben Boyd Road remembered a ginger-haired loner who was never without a paperback novel in hand.

He would often dine by himself and always carried his “chef kit” with him.

^^^^ "Spent every day" - how much of every day? For how long? Did he just do the rounds of the shops, while pretending to be at work? I sooo wanna go up there and speak to those shop owners...

Curiouser and curiouser.

That is an interesting news report.

I'd like to think that MSM has had enough time to get some facts straight. That article is positive that JR was home at the time of the murder and that she heard a noise which she then investigated. I wonder if that noise could have been MH's large frame falling to the floor or if it could have been DJK making a noisy and hasty exit. I also believe that DJK must have known that JR was at the residence at the time as well.

 

[Strangeworld]

Great new article - because he was wearing a black chef's jacket, it would be near impossible to see blood splatter at night time. Obviously his pants were probably splattered as well, but at night time he had a pretty good chance of avoiding detection - dark, not many people around.

Wonder what the deal was with Morgan standing on that corner for minutes? Was he doing anything - looking at his phone? He didn't talk to anyone, but I'd love to know if he was just staring into space/waiting for someone to arrive? or using his phone to text or something else.

I'm also curious about whether any of DJK's past lovers will come forward (if there are any of course).

 

[Strangeworld]

Great post!

If DJK became obsessed with MH, but MH was paying DJK then he would have provided his services gratis in the hope of a relationship. I would guess.

There is little doubt in my mind that they had a prior sexual relationship. I assume that DK has cased the place and planned it out in real life and acted it out in his mind.

Don't you think DJK sounds more like a sadist than someone suffering unrequited love? How can anyone stab someone 28 times and apply 25 superficial wounds? That is torture in my book!

DJK seems to me to be like the killer of Jill Meagher. Someone who just can't control the urge to kill for sexual gratification.

We discussed this a while back - the more superficial/shallow wounds may be simply due to fatigue - it takes a lot to inflict that many wounds on someone. And now that we know the killer's body type, even with adrenalin pumping, he is going to tire after inflicting even a small number of stab wounds.

 

[Strangeworld]

http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/morgan-hu...pped-sydney-20131011-2vcva.html#ixzz2hOEdO2JW

Police said she was home at the time and found Huxley wearing only a T-shirt and suffering from more than a dozen stab and slash wounds to his neck and left side.

Much less than the approx. 30 wounds previously reported. Think MSM weren't fact-checking at the beginning?

 

[Northern Beaches]

http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/morgan-hu...pped-sydney-20131011-2vcva.html#ixzz2hOEdO2JW

Police said she was home at the time and found Huxley wearing only a T-shirt and suffering from more than a dozen stab and slash wounds to his neck and left side.

Much less than the approx. 30 wounds previously reported. Think MSM weren't fact-checking at the beginning?

From this latest report I gather that DJK had very limited time once he begun his attack. That is unless he wanted to take out JR as well. With such limited time I would hardly expect him to be able to inflict as many wounds as initially reported.

 

[Flinders]

http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/morgan-hu...pped-sydney-20131011-2vcva.html#ixzz2hOEdO2JW

Police said she was home at the time and found Huxley wearing only a T-shirt and suffering from more than a dozen stab and slash wounds to his neck and left side.

Much less than the approx. 30 wounds previously reported. Think MSM weren't fact-checking at the beginning?

I know Strangeworld, our very own Dr Watson was the first to question the accuracy of the amount of stab wounds.

 

[marlywings]

As Morgan Huxley took what would be his final steps, a figure walks 100 metres behind him. A man dressed in chequered pants and a long-sleeved black chef's jacket starts to quicken his pace.

When he reaches the Oaks Hotel on Military Road in Neutral Bay, he breaks into a jog. Then he runs. The ginger-haired man is carrying a satchel over his shoulder and catches up to Huxley, who is waiting at a set of traffic lights.

http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/morgan-hu...pped-sydney-20131011-2vcva.html#ixzz2hOn56g00

The above, running to catch up, reminds me so much of the way Jill Meagher's killer stalked her before killing her.

Could DJK have had the knife or even a fake gun at Morgan's back once he caught up to him or once they reached the unit??

Police believe he allowed his alleged killer inside.

 

[Ausgirl]

I think MSM gets sloppier every day... it's all about being first to publish, facts be damned, I think. Never mind employing --spellchecker-- that a 6 yr old could figure out how to use...

/cough

Anyway.

 

[Ausgirl]

The above, running to catch up, reminds me so much of the way Jill Meagher's killer stalked her before killing her.

Could DJK have had the knife or even a fake gun at Morgan's back once he caught up to him or once they reached the unit??

Police believe he allowed his alleged killer inside.

Good post! The CCTV also reminds me of Jill.. gives me a shiver.

 

[SoapOnARope]

Pre-arrest of DJK there was a lot of discussion on this forum about the reported "sexual activity" that took place and the likelihood of MH (or any other man) wearing only a tee shirt to bed (and particularly if participating in sexual activity) I remain open minded - particularly if (in this case) MH had a skinful of alcohol!

However, I do think it is highly unlikely that you would wear spectacles during coital activity. I am suggesting (regardless of whether or not sex took place between MH and DJK) that DJK's spectacles would have either had to have been being worn or would have to have been close by when the murder occurred. I hate to say it, but the forensic investigators could probably tell if the specs were being worn or were off during the murder from the blood splatter locations and therefore verify if the act of murder was a separate to sexual activity.

My theory is that DJK was asked to leave and became vengeful subsequently attacked.

MOO

ALL THIS ASSUMES THAT DJK IS GUILTY WHICH IS NOT HOW THE LAW WORKS OF COURSE!

 

[marlywings]

Good post! The CCTV also reminds me of Jill.. gives me a shiver.

Massive kudos to CCTV!!!....the information gleaned & criminals caught by them is absolutely astounding!!

 

[Mrs G Norris]

Great post Mrs G!

And just because I've always wanted to use this smilie - here's a bananalama!

:bananalama:

(oh dear, it's Friday and I've had a long week.....)

Yay!! I love the :bananalama: going to try and use it randomly in conversation from now on

 

[Flinders]

Good post! The CCTV also reminds me of Jill.. gives me a shiver.

I know. The convicted rapist said he was just trying to be a friend to Jill in a public street late at night but she just gave him attitude.

 

[Mrs G Norris]

Interesting/eerie info about "the book" in the latest report.

Magician, by Raymond E. Feist, tells the story of Pug, an orphaned kitchen-hand who becomes a magician's apprentice.

It was the first book of 30 written as part of the series known to fans as the Riftwar Cycle.

More than 30 years after the book was written, Feist brought his much-loved series to an end in May this year.

The blurb to Magician's End reads: “Now it will all end. Readers will finally discover the fate of the original black Magician, Pug, and his friends. Will they survive? Or will someone die?”

http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/morgan-hu...pped-sydney-20131011-2vcva.html#ixzz2hOLmerBa

Oh that is creepy .. I wonder how long DJK had been living his life through these fictional characters and how much of an effect the end of the series had on him.