Australia Australia - Pheobe Bishop, 17, failed to board a flight from Queensland, Bundaberg, 15 May 2025 *Arrests* #3

[mishy66]

I wonder if she bailed ( only 1 to get out of the car)
Then they hit her with the car

But how would this work. With people at a busy airport area that morning, all the CCTV caneras and both TB and JW being charged with her murder?

 

[KeenSleuth17]

Thank you, I really appreciate your expertise, it’s such a complex and emotive area.

Is my understanding correct then that a Mandatory Reporter should report but then once reported, information would inform if it ‘screens out’ (no investigation) or ‘screens in’ (investigation) or does the Mandatory Reporter determine if it screens out or in and only reports if it screens in?

You have my utmost respect working in Child Protection!

Yes correct so a mandatory reporter only reports the information they have, but they have no control over what then happens with that information. When screening, Child protection history is taken into consideration as well as information from other departments such as police, health, education, as well as research and professional judgement to determine the screening outcome.

However, mandatory reporters usually have their own processes and guidelines about what they report. For example, QLD Health have guidelines, like a decision tree, of whether something reaches the threshold of them reporting. It’s the same with Police, they triage information concerning child harm to a specialist that sits in the Child Protection Investigation Unit of QPS to determine what they report to child safety.

 

[mishy66]

Yes correct so a mandatory reporter only reports the information they have, but they have no control over what then happens with that information. When screening, Child protection history is taken into consideration as well as information from other departments such as police, health, education, as well as research and professional judgement to determine the screening outcome.

However, mandatory reporters usually have their own processes and guidelines about what they report. For example, QLD Health have guidelines, like a decision tree, of whether something reaches the threshold of them reporting. It’s the same with Police, they triage information concerning child harm to a specialist that sits in the Child Protection Investigation Unit of QPS to determine what they report to child safety.

There are so many that fall through the cracks all the same. The legislation around each department today almost prohibits said information from one department onto another department, for each child, due to regulations brought in under the "human rights to privacy".

Its all swings and roundabouts.

The left hand never knows what the right hand has and so there are many many kids that are usually the fallout of legislations put in place that are suppose to protect them.

 

[KeenSleuth17]

There are so many that fall through the cracks all the same. The legislation around each department today almost prohibits said information from one department onto another department, for each child, due to regulations brought in under the "human rights to privacy".

Its all swings and roundabouts.

The left hand never knows what the right hand has and so there are many many kids that are usually the fallout of legislations put in place that are suppose to protect them.

Absolutely. There’s not one system though that truly works. Flaws in all of them.

Interestingly there will be a commission of inquiry into all things QLD child protection from July this year and that will hopefully be the catalyst to some positive change too.

 

[Eyespywithmylittleeye]

Im not sure about anyone else, but I just realised in my own situation for example, if Im going somewhere alone, Ill drive my car (obviously). But if my partner and I are going somewhere together in my car, he drives.
It could just be my personal subconsciously patriarchally conditioned mind allowing it and not something everyone experiences, but does anyone else do that by default?

Yep! Always

 

[Dotta]

If Police claim it was murder
(versus manslaughter)
and that they more or less suspect the motive
then
IMO this crime must have been premeditated, no?

In case of sudden and escalated argument,
wouldn't it be considered manslaughter?
Like being hit in anger resulting in death
but with not intention to kill?

I think
motive means premeditation.

What motive can it be?
What is so obvious to Police that they claim they suspect it?

JMO

 

[Leafy]

If Police claim it was murder
(versus manslaughter)
and that they more or less suspect the motive
then
IMO this crime must have been premeditated, no?

In case of sudden and escalated argument,
wouldn't it be considered manslaughter?
Like being hit in anger resulting in death
but with not intention to kill?

I think
motive means premeditation.

What motive can it be?
What is so obvious to Police that they claim they suspect it?

JMO

I think murder is based on intent to kill rather than premeditation. I could be wrong.

 

[sapphire blue]

If Police claim it was murder
(versus manslaughter)
and that they more or less suspect the motive
then
IMO this crime must have been premeditated, no?

In case of sudden and escalated argument,
wouldn't it be considered manslaughter?
Like being hit in anger resulting in death
but with not intention to kill?

I think
motive means premeditation.

What motive can it be?
What is so obvious to Police that they claim they suspect it?

JMO

IMO the motive could be twofold

1. Money - specifically any money Pheobe had. I seem to recall talk of Pheobe having a car, is it possible she sold it and had say $5000 cash?

2. Revenge - TB was sacked by Pheobes Mother, since then TBs life seemed to spiral out of control with the weapons charges, potential DV, the disgusting state of the house, financial stress and eviction notice received.

 

[scepticalscotty]

If Police claim it was murder
(versus manslaughter)
and that they more or less suspect the motive
then
IMO this crime must have been premeditated, no?

In case of sudden and escalated argument,
wouldn't it be considered manslaughter?
Like being hit in anger resulting in death
but with not intention to kill?

I think
motive means premeditation.

What motive can it be?
What is so obvious to Police that they claim they suspect it?

JMO

Australia does not have differing degrees of murder like some other countries. Murder is murder whether premeditated or reactionary. The charge with murder there must be sufficient evidence to suggest intent. I firmly believe the evidence suggest this was not premeditated but the culmination of previous events. The motive was likely something very trivial and pointless. Something that provoked the accused enough to invoke an animalistic reaction which ultimately led to the death of Phoebe and the subsequent coverup.

 

[Dotta]

Thank you all
Very informative posts!!
I appreciate them all.

 

[HoneyBunOne]

I can only see articles from The Courier, which is paywalled. Are there any articles I can read for free on this latest update? Thanks.

 

[Melbournian]

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View attachment 594117Going by these photos it would seem they all lived in that condition. From what I remember reading PB had only recently moved in under 2 months ?

 

[Melbournian]

LE have been silent about where JW and TB phones pinged . They haven’t offered anything up . If whatever happened was spontaneous and in the car they had their phones on them .

 

[Pineapple5]

Not one part of this makes any sense. Why would they do this? If they all hated each other they only had to wait another 5 min and they could have had a break from Pheobe. Why were they BOTH in the car with her?? Surely only TB was needed to drive her?? Unless they knew this was the outcome? JW following TB around and not letting her have any freedom? Revenge? Money? Allowances? Drug smuggling? Insurance fraud??? What on earth

There’s something really really strange and murky about this whole thing that makes it stand out from any other case that I have seen.

 

[MathildaM]

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Wednesday at 4:17 AM

I'm really clueless about the motive. As the police said that they have theories about it and as the duo are charged with murder not manslaughter, I think we can be pretty confident there was a motive and an specific intent to kill.
Initially I was sucpicious about the mention of his pants on PB and generally having a violent middle-aged man living with a young pretty girl. However, the logistics currently proposed (killed during the process of going somewhere) does not support sexual motives (while had she been killed the previous night at the house, it would look a lot more...

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I think this is a really good question now we know much more. Others have suggested it wasn’t pre-meditated but impulsive. I agree with it being impulsive, who would plan to murder someone in a car on Airport Drive.

If PB was still alive on Airport Drive she was so close, she might have been able to see the airport.

I think she has said something to threaten them. By exposing something one / both feared being exposed or by threatening removal of something based on going to Perth & possibly not returning.

The timing of her being so close to the airport, she might have felt ‘safe’ & blurted something out as a final ‘verbal finger’ to them after tension all morning.

Confirmation of whether it was TB or JW who actually killed her could inform motive as they might have different reasons / buttons.

I see TB as having more to lose & recently having lost a lot already possibly more reactive - she is on bail with a serious weapons charge, shared custody of her children, her professional reputation / ability to work…

JW I see more as losing his temper / violent towards women but not having as much to lose besides his temper.

(Snap multiple motive posts at the same time!)

 

[MathildaM]

IMO the motive could be twofold

1. Money - specifically any money Pheobe had. I seem to recall talk of Pheobe having a car, is it possible she sold it and had say $5000 cash?

2. Revenge - TB was sacked by Pheobes Mother, since then TBs life seemed to spiral out of control with the weapons charges, potential DV, the disgusting state of the house, financial stress and eviction notice received.

I’m leaning towards TB - I think the $5,000 is a JW curve ball - but other secrets that could result in loss of ability to work / reputation which then results in loss of income, yes

 

[essareem]

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Wednesday at 4:17 AM

I'm really clueless about the motive. As the police said that they have theories about it and as the duo are charged with murder not manslaughter, I think we can be pretty confident there was a motive and an specific intent to kill.
Initially I was sucpicious about the mention of his pants on PB and generally having a violent middle-aged man living with a young pretty girl. However, the logistics currently proposed (killed during the process of going somewhere) does not support sexual motives (while had she been killed the previous night at the house, it would look a lot more...

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I think this is a really good question now we know much more. Others have suggested it wasn’t pre-meditated but impulsive. I agree with it being impulsive, who would plan to murder someone in a car on Airport Drive.

If PB was still alive on Airport Drive she was so close, she might have been able to see the airport.

I think she has said something to threaten them. By exposing something one / both feared being exposed or by threatening removal of something based on going to Perth & possibly not returning.

The timing of her being so close to the airport, she might have felt ‘safe’ & blurted something out as a final ‘verbal finger’ to them after tension all morning.

Confirmation of whether it was TB or JW who actually killed her could inform motive as they might have different reasons / buttons.

I see TB as having more to lose & recently having lost a lot already possibly more reactive - she is on bail with a serious weapons charge, shared custody of her children, her professional reputation / ability to work…

JW I see more as losing his temper / violent towards women but not having as much to lose besides his temper.

(Snap multiple motive posts at the same time!)

Agreed to everything in this post. 100%.

Also as a sidetrack I forgot to mention, I found out that there is a bus from Gin Gin to Bundaberg daily that leaves at 7:10am.

So, if JW's story to the Daily Mail contained any breadcrumb truths... Perhaps PB wanted to wake up at 5am in order to be ready to catch that bus? And missed her alarm, so JW & TB took her?

 

[ThisOne01]

I’ve been trying to make sense of that statement:

3 arrived, 3 never left

But I think you’re onto something

3 arrived…arrived to me sounds like they’ve stopped. This could be the stop that was captured on CCTV, or by a witness.

The stop could be when JW claims that he and TB went for a walk and PB left with her body sized duffle bag and suitcase wearing JW’s new grey tracksuit pants.

 

[OwlHeart]

3 arrived…arrived to me sounds like they’ve stopped. This could be the stop that was captured on CCTV, or by a witness.

The stop could be when JW claims that he and TB went for a walk and PB left with her body sized duffle bag and suitcase wearing JW’s new grey tracksuit pants.

Thanks I’ve since come to a better conclusion if you read back over todays posts

 

[Knitty]

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