Australia Australia - Pheobe Bishop, 17, failed to board a scheduled flight from a Queensland Airport. Last seen Airport Drive, Bundaberg, 15 May 2025 #2

[Dotta]

If LE found nothing in the car or the house, I think PB was harmed/disposed of (sorry) elsewhere because these folks would leave trace evidence IMO- they are not detail oriented. IMO.

There is always some evidence left.

From AI:

"The principle

'every contact leaves a trace',

also known as
Locard's Exchange Principle,

suggests that
any time someone enters an environment
or interacts with another object,
something will be left behind
or taken away,
essentially transferring some sort of evidence.

This principle
is a fundamental concept in forensic science and criminal investigations."

The problem is to FIND the clues.

JMO

Locard's exchange principle - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

 

[Dotta]

There is always some evidence left.

From AI:

"The principle

'every contact leaves a trace',

also known as
Locard's Exchange Principle,

suggests that
any time someone enters an environment
or interacts with another object,
something will be left behind
or taken away,
essentially transferring some sort of evidence.

This principle
is a fundamental concept in forensic science and criminal investigations."

The problem is to FIND the clues.

JMO

Locard's exchange principle - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

To add

"Wherever he steps,
whatever he touches,
whatever he leaves, even unconsciously,
will serve as a silent witness against him.

Not only his fingerprints or his footprints,
but his hair,
the fibres from his clothes,
the glass he breaks,
the tool mark he leaves,
the paint he scratches,
the blood or semen he deposits or collects.

All of these and more,
bear mute witness against him.

This is evidence that does not forget.

It is not confused by the excitement of the moment.

It is not absent because human witnesses are.

It is factual evidence.

Physical evidence cannot be wrong,
it cannot perjure itself,
it cannot be wholly absent.

Only human failure to find it,
study and understand it,
can diminish its value."

Locard's exchange principle - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

 

[BreakingNews]

Police have not confirmed this as true yet …. (However I don’t think Police would want that to become public knowledge….. (and Gin Gin is a one man Police Station I believe… )

Could also have been TB shouting at PW???
Especially if tensions were high as something had already happened to PB ….and they we disagreeing on the alibi or future plans regarding her possibly ….

IMO

For anyone questioning emotion or lack of it as evidence of anything one way or another, please remember the famous Australian case of Lindy Chamberlain - she was criticised for what seemed to be her lack of emotion, jailed for the death of her daughter, and later exonerated. The demeanour of a person is not reliable evidence.

And then there was Joanne Lees..

 

[ScalableHeights]

Just saw this case today. I felt terribly sad reading her “conversation to her younger self” social media post. She was clearly deeply unhappy but also emphasising the way her life had improved. For this to happen seems very cruel and unfair.

I haven’t read all the posts on this thread so sorry if I’m repeating anybody, but my read on the situation is that she may have come to harm on the 14th or possibly early on 15th. Her phone was taken and driven out to a spot near the airport and the perp(s) called the boyfriend at 8:30 so that it would ping by the airport and then switched off (hence why the call was short and the boyfriend couldn’t hear Phoebe). One of the housemates was known to keep a weapon in the car which could be why the car was designated a crime scene, and I imagine her DNA was found but if there had been any blood I suspect this may have become a murder enquiry a long time ago.

I’ve seen a few comments suggesting if the housemates did it they’re not very clever. I would say that if they did, they’re clever enough to have evaded arrest so far.

I really, really hope she’s found safe and well, but nothing about this is giving me any hope.

 

[Aussieboy]

Re mother's appeal and suggestions by some here that it was directed to somebody
(script intentionally worded, etc.)

I don't think such tactics will bring results.

Only hard Police work
and searching for evidence can solve this case.

It seems there is not enough or any at all to charge anyone.

Both the house and car were examined & released.
And still nothing happened.

What about cctv?

What exactly was found in the GN Scrub Park?



JMO

Looks like gaffa tape and maybe a sock beside it or more upturned gaffa tape?
The other pic shows something resembling a letter.

I'm pretty sure that LE have suspects in mind, but not enough evidence to secure strong charges, and might want to see if they get led back to where PB is.

It's not uncommon for LE to play games like this and let people think that they're not a person of interest in the case. The separation with the DVO might be so that they can't collude or corroborate on their story. When they later get called in for questioning, they will look for discrepancies in their stories. MOO

Sunshine Coast Daily

https://www.skynews.com.au/australia-news/crime/second-housemate-on-gin-gin-property-faces-weaponsrelated-charges-as-desperate-search-for-queensland-missing-teenager-pheobe-bishop-continues/news-story/4b67b483e4880e60dfbac6a49eb027f8

 

[sapphire blue]

Just saw this case today. I felt terribly sad reading her “conversation to her younger self” social media post. She was clearly deeply unhappy but also emphasising the way her life had improved. For this to happen seems very cruel and unfair.

I haven’t read all the posts on this thread so sorry if I’m repeating anybody, but my read on the situation is that she may have come to harm on the 14th or possibly early on 15th. Her phone was taken and driven out to a spot near the airport and the perp(s) called the boyfriend at 8:30 so that it would ping by the airport and then switched off (hence why the call was short and the boyfriend couldn’t hear Phoebe). One of the housemates was known to keep a weapon in the car which could be why the car was designated a crime scene, and I imagine her DNA was found but if there had been any blood I suspect this may have become a murder enquiry a long time ago.

I’ve seen a few comments suggesting if the housemates did it they’re not very clever. I would say that if they did, they’re clever enough to have evaded arrest so far.

I really, really hope she’s found safe and well, but nothing about this is giving me any hope.

IMO The lack of arrest so far doesn’t mean much at all. Fact is once an arrest happens the clock starts ticking reducing the time needed to build a rock solid case. Far better for police to gather as much evidence as possible - direct, physical and circumstantial.

Look at many other cases on this forum where it’s taken more than 2 weeks for an arrest. it took almost 5 years for the murderer to be arrested for one case (Redwine)

 

[Dotta]

Look at many other cases on this forum where it’s taken more than 2 weeks for an arrest. it took almost 5 years for the murderer to be arrested for one case (Redwine)

I know another one!

Anna Maciejewska disappeared in 2017.
Husband arrested in 2025.

There is a thread on WS.

Deceased/Not Found Post in thread 'PA - Anna Maciejewska, 43, Chester County, 10 April 2017 - *Arrest* #2'

May 17, 2025

"Who was Anna?​

Anna Maciejewska immigrated to the United States from Poland in 1997
to study actuarial mathematics
at the University of Louisville in Kentucky.

She married Gould in 2006,
and the couple welcomed a son seven years later.

Maciejewska, who was 43 when she disappeared,
was incredibly hardworking, detail oriented, and kind,
according to her former coworker and friend Ellen Lee.

'She was an organizer, and she was also a problem solver',
Lee added.

New court documents reveal internally at the time,
Maciejewska was deeply upset about her marriage
and the...

• Dotta

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[sapphire blue]

I know another one!

Anna Maciejewska disappeared in 2017.
Husband arrested in 2025.

There is a thread on WS.

Deceased/Not Found Post in thread 'PA - Anna Maciejewska, 43, Chester County, 10 April 2017 - *Arrest* #2'

May 17, 2025

"Who was Anna?​

Anna Maciejewska immigrated to the United States from Poland in 1997
to study actuarial mathematics
at the University of Louisville in Kentucky.

She married Gould in 2006,
and the couple welcomed a son seven years later.

Maciejewska, who was 43 when she disappeared,
was incredibly hardworking, detail oriented, and kind,
according to her former coworker and friend Ellen Lee.

'She was an organizer, and she was also a problem solver',
Lee added.

New court documents reveal internally at the time,
Maciejewska was deeply upset about her marriage
and the...

• Dotta

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Yes, that’s another case with a much more recent arrest.

 

[Aussieboy]

It sounds to me that it could have been a bit of a party house at times. I also wondered who else may have been crashing there, or crashed there on the 14th/15th .... or was awake there all night.

imo

I partied a lot when I was younger with these types of outback pig hunting country folk. I saw some hardened personas and strange behaviour, but if I ended up at a house with the stench of dead dogs, I would be running for my life and ringing authorities ASAP.

Seeing all that rubbish strewn about the place, it makes me further wonder about the types that visited there.

 

[Dreamcherry]

I have a recently turned 18 year old son .
Yeh I know she's reading from a script , but I can guarantee if that was any of my kids missing , especially for this long already , I would of barely been holding it together.
Just seems odd IMO

It's not odd to me. I have very, very big emotions, but a very, very flat affect, so you would absolutely never know I was in complete turmoil just by looking at me, or hearing me talk. She might just be one of those people whose inner turmoil doesn't show outwardly. Some people just kind of shut down completely when they get incredibly overwhelmed.

 

[Dotta]

It's not odd to me. I have very, very big emotions, but a very, very flat affect, so you would absolutely never know I was in complete turmoil just by looking at me, or hearing me talk. She might just be one of those people whose inner turmoil doesn't show outwardly. Some people just kind of shut down completely when they get incredibly overwhelmed.

Not to mention
some ppl experiencing tragedy
might be heavily medicated.

JMO

 

[Dreamcherry]

Not to mention
some ppl experiencing tragedy
might be heavily medicated.

JMO

100%! I've taken benzos for anxiety, and they definitely make everything more subdued.

 

[Maryjaneparker]

If a child of mine was missing. I am sure that the only way I would be capable of getting through a press conference would be reading from a script.

With no tears at all ???

 

[Maryjaneparker]

100%! I've taken benzos for anxiety, and they definitely make everything more subdued.

It's not odd to me. I have very, very big emotions, but a very, very flat affect, so you would absolutely never know I was in complete turmoil just by looking at me, or hearing me talk. She might just be one of those people whose inner turmoil doesn't show outwardly. Some people just kind of shut down completely when they get incredibly overwhelmed.

I can understand that.
I am very similar myself .
I just dont feel I'd hold it together that well

 

[HoneyBunOne]

Pretty sad if it comes down to that in the end …..

Times are tough, and desperate people do desperate things….

I wonder if she packed all of her belongings???

JMO

If she did, that would be an obvious sign to her housemates that she wasn't coming back. I personally think she didn't pack everything for 2 reasons, 1 being that she didn't want to alert her housemates and 2 being she had to suss out the WA situation first and see if it was viable to stay.

I have a recently turned 18 year old son .
Yeh I know she's reading from a script , but I can guarantee if that was any of my kids missing , especially for this long already , I would of barely been holding it together.
Just seems odd IMO

Yes, but you're not estranged from your child and been in and out of his life for years, and he probably still lives under your roof. They didn't have the best relationship, you have to factor that in.

 

[Maryjaneparker]

For anyone questioning emotion or lack of it as evidence of anything one way or another, please remember the famous Australian case of Lindy Chamberlain - she was criticised for what seemed to be her lack of emotion, jailed for the death of her daughter, and later exonerated. The demeanour of a person is not reliable evidence.

Yes .
I was not suggesting she was guilty .
I was saying it's odd to have little emotion .
I dont think she has anything to do with it.

 

[Maryjaneparker]

If she did, that would be an obvious sign to her housemates that she wasn't coming back. I personally think she didn't pack everything for 2 reasons, 1 being that she didn't want to alert her housemates and 2 being she had to suss out the WA situation first and see if it was viable to stay.



Yes, but you're not estranged from your child and been in and out of his life for years, and he probably still lives under your roof. They didn't have the best relationship, you have to factor that in.

Yes i agree with that too .
But, we also can only speculate as to how bad their relationship was , noone is really talking about it in depth .
Just that their were problems.



My question is ..
Why should the housemates care if a 17 year old is leaving.
She was pretty poor , so how much money could she be worth to them ?
I feel like she had info on them about criminal activity's or something more sinister.
Or , perhaps got in between something she shouldn't have .
JMO

 

[Dreamcherry]

I can understand that.
I am very similar myself .
I just dont feel I'd hold it together that well

You might surprise yourself (not that I EVER want you to have the chance to!) There's a multitude of trauma responses people can experience, and that's without adding neurodiversity to the mix. I've held myself together in some pretty terrible experiences, and I'm kind of naturally a mess. To quote Jim Morrison: "People are Strange."

 

[Maryjaneparker]

You might surprise yourself (not that I EVER want you to have the chance to!) There's a multitude of trauma responses people can experience, and that's without adding neurodiversity to the mix. I've held myself together in some pretty terrible experiences, and I'm kind of naturally a mess. To quote Jim Morrison: "People are Strange."

I am neurodivergent myself.
So are my children
I am strange.
It was an observation. Not a judgement .
I know alot about trauma , and responses to it , far more than I wish I did .
Everyone jumping on me for my opinion , but it doesn't change the vibe I felt from her press conference.
Maybe she was masking far to well .
At the end of the day .
Noone in here knows that she hadn't spoken to PB recently.
The media isn't always the truth , everything is speculation until there is evidence.
Im not victim blaming at all.
I really want to find phoebe , Its all I've been thinking about .

 

[Longtimelurker1]

You might surprise yourself (not that I EVER want you to have the chance to!) There's a multitude of trauma responses people can experience, and that's without adding neurodiversity to the mix. I've held myself together in some pretty terrible experiences, and I'm kind of naturally a mess. To quote Jim Morrison: "People are Strange."

Thank you for mentioning neurodiversity. In awful situations I react very calm and composed so I do not judge others who do not react in a “typical way”.
Not having a typical reaction does not equal guilt.