GUILTY Australia - Terence Darrell Kelly, charged w/ abduction of 4 y.o., WA, 16 Oct 2021 #2

[katydid23]

If he had gone to the Blowholes a few times, and at least once to sell weed to backpackers, he probably had a regular contact there. Like maybe one of the regulars or someone living in the shacks or a caretaker ?

If so, that would give TK a place to hang out, smoke with the regular contact in their shack or caravan, do their business, then quietly go wait in his car until he felt everyone was asleep and coast was clear.

I do not believe he broke into the tent looking to steal something, then randomly came upon the child. I think he saw her earlier OR he was hanging out with someone there who mentioned the family. He knew the child was in that tent, behind that zippered flap before he unzipped it, imo.

 

[JLZ]

I think it will have a very long-term effect on Jake and Ellie. Of course we don't know, and hopefully never will, find out what happened to CS, but children are resilient. IF he didn't mistreat her physically, hopefully she'll bounce back to her normal self sooner (whatever that means) rather than later, but I live in hope. I'm a glass half full sort of gal. I personally have no memories going back to that age and only have a few from when I was 6. I've asked some of my friends what age their earliest childhood memories are and they were nearly all the same as me. Having said that, we know that several of our members here have been through shocking ordeals, but I don't get the impression that anything gross happened to this dear little girl.

It affects the child's development at the time, so their future personality and attachment style. It's somewhat beside the point whether the experience is remembered or not. In this case, if the parents become overprotective, the parent-child relationship will also be affected, which is another issue influencing the child's development and long-term wellbeing.

 

[Angeline]

"please don't add me if as something random and don't add me because you know my family or mates"

Shuddering at the thought of these "mates" and what their possible "interests" are.

THANK GOD LE got to his house before he had a chance to destroy his computer. They will be able to analyse everything!

 

[Cagney&Lacey]

BBM

This is what I was implying that he might have done within hours of taking her. Not posting her to the dark web but letting at least 1 online friend see what he’d attained. If by chance that 1 friend spread the word amongst their circle that would explain his sudden influx of friend requests on the morning of Oct 16th. All of this would also explain his cryptic FB post at 6:07am of that morning.

Couldn’t agree more. styzrz. It only takes one friend/follower. And as we’ve seen he’s very proud of his “girls”. I haven’t seen any boy dolls on his post. Apart from the Hot Wheels of course. Anyone else?

 

[Officer Dibble]

Yes TK's family connection had ended with the death of his grandmother only a year or so ago.

IMO TK is naive and in grief. Perhaps CS could not go back to sleep after she had the drink of water and somehow got out of the tent and was wandering around when TK found her and asked her if she wanted to see his dolls. I think he simply wanted a daughter.

I agree with potentially he simply wanted a daughter but its difficult to go outside inside a sleeping bag without tripping over or leaving scuff marks, plus the tent zip was too high for her apparently.

 

[styzrz]

If he had gone to the Blowholes a few times, and at least once to sell weed to backpackers, he probably had a regular contact there. Like maybe one of the regulars or someone living in the shacks or a caretaker ?

If so, that would give TK a place to hang out, smoke with the regular contact in their shack or caravan, do their business, then quietly go wait in his car until he felt everyone was asleep and coast was clear.

I do not believe he broke into the tent looking to steal something, then randomly came upon the child. I think he saw her earlier OR he was hanging out with someone there who mentioned the family. He knew the child was in that tent, behind that zippered flap before he unzipped it, imo.

That caretaker can’t get a break!
But yes, from what I’ve heard the focus of theft in an area like Blowholes is fishing gear & camping gear that people leave lying around their camp overnight. They steal it and can easily sell it off to a friend/dealer or even people travelling through, as Carnarvon is a main thoroughfare for people travelling up our coast.
As I’ve mentioned before, their new tent came with a built-in light. If this light, or any light was used when the parents went to bed, or even when CS woke for a drink then TK could have got a good idea on the sleeping arrangements. If you’ve never seen an internally lit tent it very much casts your silhouettes onto the tent walls.
So there are a few possibilities of how he knew where CS was sleeping but only he can explain what made him decide to go through with what he did.

 

[katydid23]

It affects the child's development at the time, so their future personality and attachment style. It's somewhat beside the point whether the experience is remembered or not. In this case, if the parents become overprotective, the parent-child relationship will also be affected, which is another issue influencing the child's development and long-term wellbeing.

So true. I know of a family, from my kid's school, that tragically lost their 5 yr old son, while the family was standing on the sidewalk, eating an ice cream they had just bought. A car jumped the curb and ran over their child in a split second. The Mom was holding an infant and Dad had his back turned, paying for the ice cream from a food cart.

Years later, the parents had 2 younger children that went to school with our kids. And understandably, the parents were super overly protective. I sympathised with her feelings, but Mom was creating a lot of anxiety for their 2 girls because she could not let them do anything on their own. And I totally get it---but it was overwhelming sometimes. Mom would sit in her car and watch the girls on playground at recess sometimes, out of concern they would get hurt or ?

Not saying that will happen with ES, but I am sure it will be her first impulse for awhile. How can she be more than a few feet away from her now? Must be so frightening. For everyone....

 

[Deleted member 296843]

I think he did the 6am post as a looking over his shoulder basically he has the girl and may be worried under cover cops may try add him as he doesn't know if he has got away with it yet (but doesn't want to miss out on a friend request especially if its a younger person), also he is probably on a power trip as he has the girl and is feeling popular in his own mind, honestly I can't imagine who would be trying to add him apart from himself

 

[Officer Dibble]

I agree with this and while being raised with two of your cousins by your grandmother isn’t the worst scenario, I think he would have realised from an early age that he didn’t have a “normal” family. I can empathise with this to an extent.

I still believe that he knew right from wrong though and he would definitely understand that kidnapping a child is very wrong so I don’t have any empathy for him in that regard. He saw the missing persons posters and watched the heartbroken parents plead for their daughter’s return but chose to continue holding her captive.
This is where he could have owned up and slightly redeemed himself but no, he chose to be evil at that point. JMO

Could it be he was trying to understand and process his own parental loss at age 2 when the 'grandmother' took him in, by watching it all unfold? JMO MOO

 

[Officer Dibble]

I think he did the 6am post as a looking over his shoulder basically he has the girl and may be worried under cover cops may try add him as he doesn't know if he has got away with it yet (but doesn't want to miss out on a friend request especially if its a younger person), also he is probably on a power trip as he has the girl and is feeling popular in his own mind, honestly I can't imagine who would be trying to add him apart from himself

This makes more sense to me.

 

[styzrz]

Could it be he was trying to understand and process his own parental loss at age 2 when the 'grandmother' took him in, by watching it all unfold? JMO MOO

It’s certainly possible. I think the one thing that is evident with TK is his deep desire to have a happy family of his own. I mean, he spent 10 years creating a fake FB family that interacted with each other and all.
His FB shenanigans really deserve looking into by someone in the field of mental health. I’m sure there’s some great research opportunities for them in there.

 

[Ardoch]

Re: thoughts that CS might have woken up and wandered at the campground - I don't think so as her sleeping bag was gone too. It sounds like he just scooped her up, sleeping bag and all. It was probably quick. It seems he didn't take the time to separate her from her sleeping bag.

As for the speculation that TK may have wanted a daughter of his own - I can't for the life of me figure out why he took a white child who looks nothing like him, unless he planned to keep her hidden away for years.

I think this is something more sinister and that his online fantasy world was some sort of catfishing setup. Maybe he finally got brave enough to take a child after years of planning and fantasising. There are too many creepy things on his FB that make him look like he's "protesting too much."

ETA: I forgot to mention that the windows were blacked out and there was allegedly a lock on the outside of the room CS was in. That is some sinister ****.

Accused kidnapper had a bedroom 'decorated for little girl'

I agree. His attitude on being arrested - shouting threats and looking at the camera shows aggression. JMO

 

[Estelle]

Specialist police have been interviewing CS about the 18 days she was missing from her family in short 'conversational' sessions meant to limit her exposure to further trauma.

Daily Mail Australia understands detectives have restricted their chats with the four-year-old girl to no more than 20 minutes at a time.

The delicate process is being conducted by officers from the Western Australian Police Force's child abuse squad who flew from Perth to Carnarvon in the state's north-west to speak with CS.

CS interviewed by police in 20-minute sessions to limit further trauma | Daily Mail Online

 

[Rumination1]

What does BBM mean?

 

[Estelle]

From iPhone: Daily Mail 8th November, 2021

I just read that Jenny Walker, TK's "grandmother" suffered sexual abuses and floggings and later slept in toilets as an adult while enduring domestic violence.

I feel so sorry for her.

 

[Estelle]

What does BBM mean?

BOLDED BY ME

 

[Commoner]

I think he did the 6am post as a looking over his shoulder basically he has the girl and may be worried under cover cops may try add him as he doesn't know if he has got away with it yet (but doesn't want to miss out on a friend request especially if its a younger person), also he is probably on a power trip as he has the girl and is feeling popular in his own mind, honestly I can't imagine who would be trying to add him apart from himself

I agree - at 6am, no-one but the kidnapper knew what had happened. The parents were only just waking up, and the alarm had not yet been raised.

He is accused of the kidnap - so IF it is him (and until he is tried in court, we do not know that as fact, so just hypothesising now, MOO) then he is the one with that knowledge. He could have posted once he has the victim secure, in a way that gives a bland, acceptable reason for not accepting requests. Because he feared interest in him, and LE trying to get at him via SM. It had not yet happened, but someone with guilty knowledge would know that the hue and cry would be starting very soon.

 

[Angeline]

The media describes TK's house as a "duplex". Does this mean it was joined onto another house? He must've been in very, very close proximity to his neighbour. Does anyone have the house number to view on Google maps the layout of the duplex?

 

[Angeline]

I agree - at 6am, no-one but the kidnapper knew what had happened. The parents were only just waking up, and the alarm had not yet been raised.

He is accused of the kidnap - so IF it is him (and until he is tried in court, we do not know that as fact, so just hypothesising now, MOO) then he is the one with that knowledge. He could have posted once he has the victim secure, in a way that gives a bland, acceptable reason for not accepting requests. Because he feared interest in him, and LE trying to get at him via SM. It had not yet happened, but someone with guilty knowledge would know that the hue and cry would be starting very soon.

I agree with all of this, but also he could've just ignored friend requests if he started getting them. I would've thought he'd try not to draw any attention to himself, especially not with a social media post with a time stamp just hours after the abduction. It's a tricky one.

 

[Estelle]

The media describes TK's house as a "duplex". Does this mean it was joined onto another house? He must've been in very, very close proximity to his neighbour. Does anyone have the house number to view on Google maps the layout of the duplex?

I think it is 18 Tonkin Street but I doubt you will be able to get a view of the inside of his duplex as it is government property so no private sales take place by real estate agents for us to see the plan of his house.

Only once in the total 18 days did his close neighbour hear CS cry.