GUILTY Australia - Terence Darrell Kelly, charged w/ abduction of 4 y.o., WA, 16 Oct 2021 #2

[Warshawski]

Apparently, a father in Karratha, about 700 klms northeast.. That would be the connection to his People. As I understand it, Gran is an adopted carer.. ... On his facebook stuff he claims his mother was Italian.. doesn't sound like it from Gran's story. There doesn't appear to be anything that would prevent him from re entering his People in Karratha, except his own choices.

He , so it says, sells cannabis around the town, so that would be a sort of tribe. People must have been having some sort of repeated social contact with him , on that basis.

He obviously knew that what he did was wrong, because he hid the child. He didn't stroll down the main street of Canarvon , introducing his new daughter to the baker, for example.

He didn't appear to have any social skills, of the sort that enables one to be a part of a community, the usual stuff, where you give and take, live and learn, laugh and cry with the folks, lend and borrow, that sort of stuff.

That makes him unusual in the milieu he resides in. People in that environment do all those things, day in, day out. He seems unable to do that.

Hi Trooper, according to the interview ‘grandma’ PW gave, her 2 grandsons were raised with TK. He was this lovely little 2 year old when he came to her & there’s every reason to expect that she gave all 3 boys a loving home (imo)

She mentioned having a grandson with ‘mental stresses’, but didn’t say that was who she referred to as ‘Terry’.

I wonder where those ‘boys’ are now & if he still interacts with them.
He obviously has some ‘associates’ as he wasn’t alone on the car when arrested.

 

[Angeline]

I think it is 18 Tonkin Street but I doubt you will be able to get a view of the inside of his duplex.

Only once in the total 18 days did his close neighbour hear CS cry.

The Google Maps satellite image is blurry but the building looks bigger than the other houses in the street which makes me think it's 2 houses/units joined together.

 

[PinkPower]

I agree. His attitude on being arrested - shouting threats and looking at the camera shows aggression. JMO

Not necessarily a good indication of his temper.

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Secondly, you must consider that he has been separated from his security (the dolls) and he is about to be exposed for his 'weird' vocational activities and he knows it.

These things alone would cause the aggression you see.

Given that he got to 36 without any charges for any victim or violent specific crimes - in particular DV or property damage, etc. You can probably assume he doesn't have a problem with anger generally.

 

[Estelle]

Hi Trooper, according to the interview ‘grandma’ PW gave, her 2 grandsons were raised with TK. He was this lovely little 2 year old when he came to her & there’s every reason to expect that she gave all 3 boys a loving home (imo)

She mentioned having a grandson with ‘mental stresses’, but didn’t say that was who she referred to as ‘Terry’.

I wonder where those ‘boys’ are now & if he still interacts with them.
He obviously has some ‘associates’ as he wasn’t alone on the car when arrested.

Yes maybe she meant TK. We have not heard anything about his work history or from colleagues he worked with so IMO maybe he has never worked since he left school and has been on a Disability Pension.

 

[drsleuth]

Specialist police have been interviewing CS about the 18 days she was missing from her family in short 'conversational' sessions meant to limit her exposure to further trauma.

Daily Mail Australia understands detectives have restricted their chats with the four-year-old girl to no more than 20 minutes at a time.

The delicate process is being conducted by officers from the Western Australian Police Force's child abuse squad who flew from Perth to Carnarvon in the state's north-west to speak with CS.

CS interviewed by police in 20-minute sessions to limit further trauma | Daily Mail Online

A few years ago I went to the National Forensic Conference & there were real life case presentations from a few of the detectives from the Sex Crimes squad . It was very interesting & they said there was no pressure at all put on victims & that it could take many months to get full statements, even longer & they do it in the victims own time. They are very special people IMO. Often having life long connections to the victims ( some victims even went on to give lectures to new detectives & explained from their point of view how to treat victims etc ) I thought that was brilliant. They are extremely dedicated. I couldn't do their job.........

 

[Estelle]

The Google Maps sattelite image is blurry but the building looks bigger than the other houses which makes me think it's 2 houses/units joined together.

Perhaps they are the only ones with two bedrooms each.

 

[SouthAussie]

The Google Maps sattelite image is blurry but the building looks bigger than the other houses which makes me think it's 2 houses/units joined together.

From the little we can see of TK's side of the building, it will be some variation of this style of duplex ..... side by side mirror image of each other, with one large common wall.


Housing Commission Duplex | Heritage Places

imo

 

[PinkPower]

I agree with potentially he simply wanted a daughter but its difficult to go outside inside a sleeping bag without tripping over or leaving scuff marks, plus the tent zip was too high for her apparently.

He simply would have had to drag it out and never enter the tent. She was sleeping right next to the entrance.

 

[Angeline]

Perhaps they are the only ones with two bedrooms each.

So one of those 2 rooms was for the dolls (probably the room with the lock on it) and the other must've been TK's room.

 

[Estelle]

So one of those 2 rooms was for the dolls (probably the room with the lock on it) and the other must've been TK's room.

Yes imo CS would have slept in the doll's room.

 

[Ozgal]

Hi Trooper, according to the interview ‘grandma’ PW gave, her 2 grandsons were raised with TK. He was this lovely little 2 year old when he came to her & there’s

Hi Trooper, according to the interview ‘grandma’ PW gave, her 2 grandsons were raised with TK. He was this lovely little 2 year old when he came to her & there’s every reason to expect that she gave all 3 boys a loving home (imo)

She mentioned having a grandson with ‘mental stresses’, but didn’t say that was who she referred to as ‘Terry’.

I wonder where those ‘boys’ are now & if he still interacts with them.
He obviously has some ‘associates’ as he wasn’t alone on the car when arrested.

PW was referring about her oldest biological grandson who had a mental illness.

In a media report it was said that TK had and older brother, no mention of 2, so maybe 1 has passed

 

[styzrz]

He simply would have had to drag it out and never enter the tent. She was sleeping right next to the entrance.

This seems like the obvious technique now that you mention it. Only it doesn’t explain why the tent was opened as high as it was.

Maybe he tried to slide her out at 1:30am but she woke as she slipped off the mattress. He goes away and waits for them to fall asleep again but doesn’t want to make the same mistake twice so he unzips it, puts one foot inside and lifts her up. Just a thought.

 

[Estelle]

PW was referring about her oldest biological grandson who had a mental illness.

In a media report it was said that TK had and older brother, no mention of 2, so maybe 1 has passed

Do you have a link for that as I have not heard that before.

 

[Estelle]

This seems like the obvious technique now that you mention it. Only it doesn’t explain why the tent was opened as high as it was.

Maybe he tried to slide her out at 1:30am but she woke as she slipped off the mattress. He goes away and waits for them to fall asleep again but doesn’t want to make the same mistake twice so he unzips it, puts one foot inside and lifts her up. Just a thought.

Is it possible he picked her up when she was still in her sleeping bag?

 

[PinkPower]

This seems like the obvious technique now that you mention it. Only it doesn’t explain why the tent was opened as high as it was.

Maybe he tried to slide her out at 1:30am but she woke as she slipped off the mattress. He goes away and waits for them to fall asleep again but doesn’t want to make the same mistake twice so he unzips it, puts one foot inside and lifts her up. Just a thought.

I'd say he would have unzipped it preparing to enter it, but didn't need to. Not very hard to drag her out and bundle her up as soon as she's out, like a sack. Would have muffled any noises, also.

 

[Blondiexoxo]

With what is slowly being revealed about TK’s upbringing I still stand by my original thoughts that he developed an attachment disorder from a young age. Drug addicted parent, removed from mothers care at a young age, and it has been reported that TK had few friends and islolated himself after the death of his grandmother, this ties into my own opinion that he may have developed an avoidant personality disorder, social anxiety also shown by his outburst in the courtroom.

Anxiety manifests as rage when someone is in a situation they cannot control, it initiates a ‘fight or flight’ response. With TK in custody he cannot escape the situation or ‘flight’ so his automatic response is to ‘fight’, to shout and disobey orders. The head banging incident(s) also reflect this, when one is in a situation where they cannot project their rage onto another person, where their shouting and raging isn’t being given attention, they sometimes inflict the anger upon themselves.

If you’ve ever experienced the fight or flight response in an extremely stressful situation you will know that you feel out of control, out of body almost, you cannot cope with not having control over the situation, when someone also has OCD tendencies (keeping dolls in order, groomed, sticking to a daily routine that cannot change) being taken into custody will also set off anxiety about their home, who’s going through their belongings? Who’s taking care of the dolls? Who is messing up his collections?.. without learned techniques to calm oneself and control the emotion, a person can become volatile and unruly.

When you live an isolated life, your home, possessions and your daily routine become the most important things. Your home becomes your safe ‘bubble’ that is yours, it is the one thing you can control when everything in life seems to be falling apart, you have your rituals. TK had his dolls that he could organise and interact with in his own way. That became part of him as our possessions often do, they are part of his identity. And now he is suddenly without his dolls, and his home. He may be feeling vulnerable, angry, desperate and also embarrassed that this side of his identity is being exposed to the world. He has lost his routine and is forced to follow a new structure to his day that is nothing like he knew before.

When you add all of these together you end up with a very volatile and dangerous person, who without psychological help will struggle to adjust to this change in his surroundings.

I must add that as I was writing this I was thinking of how desperate and frightened CS must have been, she too was ripped from her safe surroundings and forced to comply with a new structure to her life for those 18 days and as a child she would have been terrified even if there were toys for her to play with, she would have wanted her mum. My observations above in no way should be seen as minimising what CS suffered through. I’m just trying to understand more about TK as new information about him is released, trying to work him out and understand the possible triggers for his behaviour.

This is all MOO, I am not a professional.

 

[nhmemorymaker]

A few years ago I went to the National Forensic Conference & there were real life case presentations from a few of the detectives from the Sex Crimes squad . It was very interesting & they said there was no pressure at all put on victims & that it could take many months to get full statements, even longer & they do it in the victims own time. They are very special people IMO. Often having life long connections to the victims ( some victims even went on to give lectures to new detectives & explained from their point of view how to treat victims etc ) I thought that was brilliant. They are extremely dedicated. I couldn't do their job.........

My thoughts exactly as we have moved on from finding C.... Counselors and trained medical professionals will probably become lifelong friends, and hopefully E and J are willing for this to happen....

Sooooo different from older days where everything was hidden under a rug and never discussed.....

 

[nhmemorymaker]

Do you have a link for that as I have not heard that before.

i know in earlier reports it was mentioned that there were two 'grandsons" raised by their grandmother. And we assumed included TK.

That could have been TK and one other.
Or it could have been the two bio grandsons.

i assume it will be clarified eventually.

 

[nhmemorymaker]

The media describes TK's house as a "duplex". Does this mean it was joined onto another house? He must've been in very, very close proximity to his neighbour. Does anyone have the house number to view on Google maps the layout of the duplex?

I know we have heard from both a neighbor, and the man who lives on the other side of the duplex.

The neighbor had heard crying one night.

The man in the other side of the duplex said he never heard a thing, and still had a very hard time knowing what had happened there.
And had actually talked to TK out in the yard... Both he and TK were up very very early fiddling with their garbage containers.

 

[nhmemorymaker]

I am hoping we do hear more about his actual parents, and this possible Italian connection. NOt that important, really.... guess I am just curious.

The grandmother, in her audio interview, made special reference to his beautiful "black curls ".

Since I know next to nothing about indigenous characteristics, I was wondering if the "curly" was a differentiator.... like truly different from straight, or frizzy or thick or whatever....
In earlier photos (where he seems to be wanting a Michael Jackson look), his hair is much clearer curls than his thick long hair in his arrest photos.