Australia Australia - Theo Hayez, 18, Belgian backpacker, Byron Bay, June 2019 #2

[Rocket333]

Four recordings of a primary POI (because cops never record people on the sly, right? ). Many say there was internal politics and jealousy involved. Court case comes up very soon.

As you can imagine, we were all over it at the time. And will be until his court case is over.

The timing was very poor. They waited and waited until he resigned, and right before the inquest. The inquest is suffering due to his absence.

Yep. It’s personal as you say, rather than professional. Massively disrespectful to Jubelin, the public and the families.

 

[Ann764]

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Yeah I was just reading the latest on his case. There’s no misunderstanding or debate from me here. I’m just trying to understand and clarify the processes. Coronial intervention is usually welcome for the scrutiny & insights it provides.

But in time.

 

[espirtu pampa]

Theo had incredibly bad luck that night, that's for sure. In the same way that William Tyrrell had incredibly bad luck on the morning that he was abducted.

With Theo, first getting booted from Cheeky Monkeys.
Then running into whatever trouble he ran into.
Then his demise.
Then his buddy not noticing he was missing (although backpackers come and go, so I can understand that).
Then Wake Up not checking his room when he was meant to have been checked out already.

And ID not taken from visitor's at CM
And Antoine having to leave for a few days job. He could have ringed the alarm if he had stayed a few days more at WU.
All odds were against Théo that day.

 

[espirtu pampa]

And ID not taken from visitor's at CM
And Antoine having to leave for a few days job.He could have ringed* the alarm if he had stayed a few days more at WU.
All odds were against Théo that day.

*Horrible mistake of mine. I saw it wasn't correct but couldn't find out what !!!
... He could have *rung or *raised the alarm...

 

[Jenz]

*Horrible mistake of mine. I saw it wasn't correct but couldn't find out what !!!
... He could have *rung or *raised the alarm...

Don't stress...
It's not a horrible mistake

 

[Chiatos]

Towards the end of podcast#4, misterX is being described as 'tall, lean, with bushy hair'. (At minute 58)
Elsewhere in the podcast it was mentioned that volunteers had met this guy and that he abandoned his camp soon after (I have to look up where it was said in the podcast).
At minute 51 the podcast says: it's almost inconcievable that Theo went all that waY on the beach without being seen on a busy Friday night.

There were people and campfires on Tallow beach, but no one saw Theo?
Was it because it wasn't Theo who walked on the beach carrying the phone, but someone else?

 

[Rocket333]

Do we know for sure that was a homeless camp?

I have mentioned before the cruisers that have spoken on forums about visiting Tallow Beach and other Byron beaches to 'watch the pretty young guys surfing'. I am still not excluding Theo encountering a random and nasty cruiser. And that 'nicer' shelter may be a good beach viewing spot in the daytime.

Very good point. What’s left of the camp doesn’t give the impression it was overly permanent or settled. Why he didn’t take the tarp & rope is intriguing. Does he return or plan to return...

 

[Rocket333]

Towards the end of podcast#4, misterX is being described as 'tall, lean, with bushy hair'. (At minute 58)
Elsewhere in the podcast it was mentioned that volunteers had met this guy and that he abandoned his camp soon after (I have to look up where it was said in the podcast).
At minute 51 the podcast says: it's almost inconcievable that Theo went all that waY on the beach without being seen on a busy Friday night.

There were people and campfires on Tallow beach, but no one saw Theo?
Was it because it wasn't Theo who walked on the beach carrying the phone, but someone else?

Glad he was sighted and approached at least. Sounds like there’s more than one person who can describe him. He could’ve been passing through anyway and simply bolted with all the searching going on around him. Or not.

I just can’t see why anyone would steal a phone and then bother making it looked used by the owner for so long, only to finally conceal it. If you wanted it to look like Theo went to CC, you’d just walk there with GMs tracking it. Given the context, who’d bother continually checking GMs, respond to French messages or watch a favourite tv show final? There’s just no need, or probably time or interest to add that complexity I reckon. It’s too fussy and detailed for no need. JMO

 

[espirtu pampa]

Very good point. What’s left of the camp doesn’t give the impression it was overly permanent or settled. Why he didn’t take the tarp & rope is intriguing. Does he return or plan to return...

I read on one of the FB pages re Théo that another person has settled in that same camp.

 

[Chiatos]

Glad he was sighted and approached at least. Sounds like there’s more than one person who can describe him. He could’ve been passing through anyway and simply bolted with all the searching going on around him. Or not.

I just can’t see why anyone would steal a phone and then bother making it looked used by the owner for so long, only to finally conceal it. If you wanted it to look like Theo went to CC, you’d just walk there with GMs tracking it. Given the context, who’d bother continually checking GMs, respond to French messages or watch a favourite tv show final? There’s just no need, or probably time or interest to add that complexity I reckon. It’s too fussy and detailed for no need. JMO

I agree but ... it wouldn't be the first time on Earth that an expert thief would do so. We don't know whether an expert or an occasional thief (if any) is involved.

 

[mussopossum]

Theo had incredibly bad luck that night, that's for sure. In the same way that William Tyrrell had incredibly bad luck on the morning that he was abducted.

With Theo, first getting booted from Cheeky Monkeys.
Then running into whatever trouble he ran into.
Then his demise.
Then his buddy not noticing he was missing (although backpackers come and go, so I can understand that).
Then Wake Up not checking his room when he was meant to have been checked out already.

It is quite similar to WT case really isn't it SA?

Both away from home on either a holiday or short few days away in WT case.

Just Like Chapman did not report that "apparent" speeding car with whom he says was little William inside, standing on the back seat peering out the window.

The time wasted to discover any possible evidence gone.

So many things, in this case, revert me to poor William too.

 

[espirtu pampa]

@SouthAussie Once more I read what you wrote a few pages back on Théo's trip (not a punt). You said you followed the tracks given on MSM. Have they released new tracks since the story is on Podcast ? Or has Michael Dorkhom (the family) found new ones ? It is not clear in my mind so I can't draw parallels between the MSM release and the "release" in the Podcast.
I'm wondering this because I read that Théo could have fallen into the ocean. If he climbed as you did and fell he would have landed on the beach, no ? Or would have been stuck by trees, branches etc... of course could be seriously wounded.Thanks.

 

[SouthAussie]

@SouthAussie Once more I read what you wrote a few pages back on Théo's trip (not a punt). You said you followed the tracks given on MSM. Have they released new tracks since the story is on Podcast ? Or has Michael Dorkhom (the family) found new ones ? It is not clear in my mind so I can't draw parallels between the MSM release and the "release" in the Podcast.
I'm wondering this because I read that Théo could have fallen into the ocean. If he climbed as you did and fell he would have landed on the beach, no ? Or would have been stuck by trees, branches etc... of course could be seriously wounded.Thanks.

Not me. I think that was mussopossum who followed Theo's tracks?

Though, I think some (me) are thinking that Theo may have climbed much higher if he was avoiding returning the way that he came. Once his GPS was off, and his phone was sleeping, we have no idea where he (or his phone) went.

For all we know, Theo may have gone somewhere far from Byron Bay in all those hours of phone silence, and in the days afterwards. We all may be looking futilely in the wrong place.

 

[Rocket333]

I agree but ... it wouldn't be the first time on Earth that an expert thief would do so. We don't know whether an expert or an occasional thief (if any) is involved.

We don’t know much at all. We do know the phone followed a path. I turned on my google maps tracking option this week and checked it last night. Yesterday it mapped me driving around but there were a few obvious inaccuracies where it had either cut my journey short or cut corners. It didn’t follow my route precisely or completely. In the image below is an example where it recorded me as the blue path (driving) yet I actually went to where I’ve marked the red dot. I also returned on the same road but it has marked it to appear like a different returning route in the form of the blue /\ shape.

 

[mussopossum]

Ann764 said: ↑
But there is something about that campsite at the front that doesn’t sit right . That’s really a key I think

Totally agree. The location on the beach submerged in a ditch and at the end of that private bush track, the newness of the ropes (indicating purchased recently and not scavaged), the disappearance of the occupant and the untouched campsite. Big red flag weird.

To be completely honest, This position is the best.

How much would you pay for a beachfront campsite (and I mean absolute beachfront with uninterrupted views of a Byron Bay beach?

If I was a homeless person and had the choice I most certainly would be pulling up here.

IMO when someone moves on from these camps another move on in and pretty quick.

As the exact location was not released in PC or (on map) but in pictures in MSM I will say that the campsite I was next to at the time I referred to my GPS and Theos map data and photos from MSM which IMOO was the same one.

This campsite IMO had a new person residing in it which was why I didn't get to close to it.

Whether or not this person who since left the campsite after the searches started was involved is anyone's guess.

I certainly have some thoughts they could be however I also know after interacting with many homeless and / or mentally ill people that they choose solace and don't like to be disturbed or have others around them.

If that person was the latter, I would see them leaving the area as nothing out the ordinary.

If they had done something to Theo, I cant get passed why they would still have been residing there, there after. I think it took several days of searching there that they finally left so I would thought they might just A) leave straight away June 1 or B) The second searchers started invading go within a day. Just my thoughts.

 

[mussopossum]

I read on one of the FB pages re Théo that another person has settled in that same camp.

Also my understanding Espirtu and also my observations based on the camp I was looking at

 

[mussopossum]

We don’t know much at all. We do know the phone followed a path. I turned on my google maps tracking option this week and checked it last night. Yesterday it mapped me driving around but there were a few obvious inaccuracies where it had either cut my journey short or cut corners. It didn’t follow my route precisely or completely. In the image below is an example where it recorded me as the blue path (driving) yet I actually went to where I’ve marked the red dot. I also returned on the same road but it has marked it to appear like a different returning route in the form of the blue /\ shape.

I found the Google mapping TL accurate in some ways and not in others too.

I recreated the things that Theo did like watching Youtube, sending whats apps messages etc and testing different settings changes to see what happened in data.

The one thing I have come away with here is, there really is no such thing as a screen lock, security on your phone and also that Google really does know your every move.

I also tested Incognito mode doing the things he did, It did not record the things performed in my browser (my own test) only and it still recorded my GPS movements.

Apps were recorded on the TL in google but my GPS still was shown at the time.

 

[Rocket333]

I found the Google mapping TL accurate in some ways and not in others too.

I recreated the things that Theo did like watching Youtube, sending whats apps messages etc and testing different settings changes to see what happened in data.

The one thing I have come away with here is, there really is no such thing as a screen lock, security on your phone and also that Google really does know your every move.

I also tested Incognito mode doing the things he did, It did not record the things performed in my browser (my own test) only and it still recorded my GPS movements.

Apps were recorded on the TL in google but my GPS still was shown at the time.

Hmmmm..... Do you know how cousin Michael could see that Theo’s phone was updating every 15 seconds? I can only see my path taken, not any data on updating and other activity.

 

[Rocket333]

[QUOTE="mussopossum, post: 15608972,
If they had done something to Theo, I cant get passed why they would still have been residing there, there after. I think it took several days of searching there that they finally left so I would thought they might just A) leave straight away June 1 or B) The second searchers started invading go within a day. Just my thoughts.[/QUOTE]

Great point about the idyllic location, and if guilty they’d exit immediately.

 

[Deleted member 255258]

Has anyone read the comments on the LFTH FB page after the last podcast? Set it to "show all" instead of "most relevant" posts and open all the replies. There is one person there who stated that Theo was holding a paper note in his hands outside CM after he was escorted out by the bouncer. He was questioning if that note was handed to him inside CM before he was removed, and that this note was what lead Theo to Tennyson. How would he know that? About the note. It was really strange that no one at all replied or commented to him about the note Theo was holding in his hand. That to me is a crucial piece of information, so how would this person know this detail and why didn't anyone jump in to comment or raise the issue with him making this comment? I have never posted on that page but might just go on there to ask him. Not mentioning the guys name here as I don't know if you are allowed to given names of people who post comments in the LFTH page. But that is really important info IMO. Maybe it will be raised in the next podcast and he's an insider so he already knows about the note?