Australia - Warriena Wright, 26, dies in balcony fall, Surfers Paradise, Aug 2014 #10

[Ausgirl]

He received lethal strike? Ok now I'm confused.

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I'm confused about how this even "common ground" when the mook himself confessed multiple times that she only TRIED to hit him.

wtf is that about

 

[ahoy]

Indeed.

However, given the fact an angry screaming woman was now on his outdoor balcony at 2 am in the morning, the police would have arrived at his door, long before the pizza.

Youd be angry and screaming if you have been giving paint thinner to drink laced with any kind of unknown drug

 

[CleverKnot]

Every time I see the sentence, "The consequences are no longer his to bear"

I have to ask myself, where was that line, where he no longer had any consequences for any of his behavior, toward his "guest"?

That is the same thing I just said.

?

The jury has to decide at what point in time, given the evidence, did his responsibility for her actions end?

It is not black and white. There is much to consider.

 

[jessicalouise]

So you wouldn't scream for someone to call the police the second you were on that balcony? You'd try the rock climbing option first?

Which is more commonsensical?

She had already been screaming and she was highly intoxicated. You seem to not realise there are worse things than falling from a balcony to your death. At least that's quick. If i was on that balcony after what he did my first thought would be he could open the door at any time, pull me back into the apartment, shut the door and do what he wanted to me. He could anally rape me, he could strangle me to death, he could do humiliating painful stuff to me. Remember, WW can only go by his past behaviour, she doesn't KNOW him, and she's just been choked by him.

The problem with some posters is that can't put themselves in her position because they've never come close to being in her position before. Which is why there seems to be such an astounding lack of empathy.

 

[CleverKnot]

And if we are speculating here, then common sense would state that when someone puts you not on a balcony, but balcony ledge 14 storeys high, you'd probably try to scale to a safer location

But she wasn't put in the ledge.

 

[Bohemian]

That's another thing.... It's been HOW many hours now?

Dunno. Not on QLD time here.

 

[jessicalouise]

This is what i don't understand. Posters are going on about going by the facts. Why then make up some nonsensical nonsense about the layout of the apartment when we have the photos to look at. We have the facts in front of us and people still are ignoring them to go off into fantasyland they mistakenly believe is "logic".

 

[TheOtherChristina]

Indeed.

However, given the fact an angry screaming woman was now on his outdoor balcony at 2 am in the morning, the police would have arrived at his door, long before the pizza.

Serious question.

You think anger is what she was feeling out in that balcony?

Anger is what can be heard in her screams?

 

[matey]

When the neighbour below Tostee's unit saw WW's legs dangling from the balcony & screamed, she heard a scream "presumably" from WW.....I wonder if the neighbour's scream (at that precise moment) startled & frightened WW, causing her to fall to her death ??...:thinking:

 

[Ausgirl]

This is what i don't understand. Posters are going on about going by the facts. Why then make up some nonsensical nonsense about the layout of the apartment when we have the photos to look at. We have the facts in front of us and people still are ignoring them to go off into fantasyland they mistakenly believe is "logic".

because for some it's less about logic and more about wimmin hate/dat damage control

 

[jessicalouise]

I'm going to watch the debate now. This thread makes me so angry. I hope the jury uses their common sense and finds him guilty.

 

[Makara]

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[CleverKnot]

Please, humor me.

GT calls the police and says, "There's a woman on my balcony and she's very drunk and I'm afraid of her. No, she's not armed. She tried to hit me with a piece of my telescope. No, not that piece, a smaller piece. No, I already took it away from her. Well, yes, I am on probation, now that you mention it."

The dispatcher says, "have you tried opening the front door, putting her belongings in the hallway, and telling her to leave?"

GT says, "I told her to leave, but then I asked her to stay and spend the night. Then I told her to leave again, but I told her she couldn't take her keys and passport, and she didn't leave."

"Okay, what happened when you let her have her keys and passport?"

???

That's not how it would happen, and what you are actually demonstrating is exactly how men are held to some impossible standard of being able to control every situation physically with a woman, otherwise they are labelled and mocked as a wuss.

What on Earth would make him dare open that door again without someone else present, like law enforcement? He had to have known police were going to be on the way shortly the second he made the decision to go to the balcony. The neighbors, and likely several of them, were going to call police the instant they were started awake by a woman screaming. Virtually everyone here would be on the phone just as fast.

You want to talk common sense.

 

[TheOtherChristina]

When the neighbour below Tostee's unit saw WW's legs dangling from the balcony & screamed, she heard a scream "presumably" from WW.....I wonder if the neighbour's scream (at that precise moment) startled & frightened WW, causing her to fall to her death ??...:thinking:

I've had that precise distressing thought. The scream, the single palm print... oh, that poor, poor girl.

 

[ninij9]

Not if the door is 20 feet away, around the couch, past the kitchen cabinet, down a narrow hallway, with a deadbolt and doorknob to open.

Good luck maintaining a peaceful restraint through all of that.

With all due respect, there was nothing peaceful about that restraint.

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[Karinna]

Youd be angry and screaming if you have been giving paint thinner to drink laced with any kind of unknown drug

That is what bothers me actually. What effect did whatever he gave her have? I remember people making home made Grappa, that used to send some people off their trolley big time, that was some bad s**t.

 

[madoodi]

When the neighbour below Tostee's unit saw WW's legs dangling from the balcony & screamed, she heard a scream "presumably" from WW.....I wonder if the neighbour's scream (at that precise moment) startled & frightened WW, causing her to fall to her death ??...:thinking:

Matey I might be wrong but I think the neighbour said they screamed when WW fell and they heard another scream presumably WW's.

 

[TheOtherChristina]

That's not how it would happen, and what you are actually demonstrating is exactly how men are held to some impossible standard of being able to control every situation physically with a woman, otherwise they are labelled and mocked as a wuss.

I'm just describing what I think the dispatcher would say. What do you think s/he would say?

What on Earth would make him dare open that door again without someone else present, like law enforcement?

Reps brah.

 

[PrimeSuspect]

RSBM

Similar actions here - refusal to leave when ordered to do so is an abrogation of responsibility. Seriously assaulting someone in their home with a heavy metal object is an abrogation of responsibility. And so on.

Warriena didn't refuse to leave. She was begging to leave and she wanted her belongings? Seriously assaulting?!! Why make stuff up? :banghead: If this was such a easy case to decide, no one would have to resort to distorting the facts.

 

[CleverKnot]

He didn't get a chance to, she'd already tried to make her escape by then. But he certainly talked about doing so.

He was the one who physically brought her to the balcony, and put her on the balcony.

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