Australia - Warriena Wright, 26, dies in balcony fall, Surfers Paradise, Aug 2014 #2

[Ausgirl]

I am wondering now if he sets these girls up to look bad, thieving, slutty, stupid -- mainly in order to justify his behaviour both to his pals and to himself. So he can tell himself 'she deserves it'..

Also, I still have a feeling this may be all in aid of 'insurance' in case one goes to the cops, or threatens to. Part of his fantasy? Or a real plan, there.. idk. I do think he was really concerned Rrie might go to the cops, as she threatened to do. Taking the power away from him.. as someone said earlier, that could be the trigger for him to go "all or nothing".. like he did in that car chase.

 

[MsAnais]

rocks in the apartment, pet rocks, pond rocks around plants, what type of rocks were possibly thrown?

With the sound of something metallic being dropped. Could it have been dropped on the marble benchtop in the kitchen or the tiled floor?
Was Rrie holding whatever it was above her head ready to throw or hit him, he grabs her hand to make her drop it?

The other thing that makes me shudder is dad telling GT not to call Rrie's phone and yet GT still tries to call her.
Why call her? UGH!!


Gable Tostee's unit features clean painted white walls, a marble bathroom with glass shower unit and a bathtub and plain grey-beige carpet throughout.

A glossy grey galley kitchen with composite marble bench tops looks onto the large living room, which has floor-to-ceiling windows along the balcony.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ment-NZ-tourist-fell-death.html#ixzz3CxVbk5vo

2.11am - There are sounds of a struggle. A minute later, the sound of rocks possibly being thrown in the apartment is heard.

Read more: http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/que...nt-balcony-20140908-10e4zm.html#ixzz3CxUScnBC

In one of his bb posts - I think it's the one about his skinny, weedy legs compared to his upper body and the brahs have a field day ridiculing him - he posts a photo where you can see his coffee table and there were little round things in a bowl on it. I couldn't work out if they were little glass balls as decoration or what. But that's sprung to mind every time I've read about the rocks being thrown......shall try to find it if I can. (although the thought of going back on that forum repulses me!!!:facepalm

 

[SouthAussie]

I am wondering now if he sets these girls up to look bad, thieving, slutty, stupid -- mainly in order to justify his behaviour both to his pals and to himself. So he can tell himself 'she deserves it'..

Also, I still have a feeling this may be all in aid of 'insurance' in case one goes to the cops, or threatens to. Part of his fantasy? Or a real plan, there.. idk. I do think he was really concerned Rrie might go to the cops, as she threatened to do. Taking the power away from him.. as someone said earlier, that could be the trigger for him to go "all or nothing".. like he did in that car chase.

Thinking about the accusation of 'money missing' .... Warriena worked in a bank. I started my job history by working in a bank. You get very funny about money laying around, holding other people's money, borrowing money from other people, and any possible impropriety involving money. I don't believe that even in her extremely inebriated state, Warriena would have touched his money. It is basically ingrained in you, working in a bank, to be completely above-board with money ... in any form. You want no hint of suspicion on you at all. And it carries throughout your life imo.

 

[Amee]

makes you wonder what state the apartment was in when police arrived

In documents filed in the Supreme Court, residents living below Tostee’s Avalon Apartments home have described waking to the sounds of furniture crashing, heavy objects being dropped and a woman shouting “no, no, no”.

http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/...ble-tostees-unit/story-fnihsrf2-1227051950766

 

[possumheart]

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Tostee has done this: deprivation of liberty.
Tostee has not done this: duty of care.

Anyone who finds that acceptable is missing something in their head.

 

[SouthAussie]

My guess is, if there is hypnotic sleeping drug in tox report, it may be problematic for the prosecution. Let's wait and see.

Stillnox (Australian brand name) is the specific drug GT had discussed in a BB forum for its date rape effects.

For the prosecution? I wouldn't have thought that Warriena would have taken a sleeping drug before going out on a date.

 

[Ausgirl]

For the prosecution? I wouldn't have thought that Warriena would have taken a sleeping drug before going out on a date.

But it could be argued she had.. or at least, there's no proof she didn't... I think the jury will see "I'll leave that there.." (the vodka) and all the other mentions of alcohol and hopefully will agree that he plied her with booze long after she said she was drunk..

 

[MsAnais]

makes you wonder what state the apartment was in when police arrived

In documents filed in the Supreme Court, residents living below Tostee&#8217;s Avalon Apartments home have described waking to the sounds of furniture crashing, heavy objects being dropped and a woman shouting &#8220;no, no, no&#8221;.

http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/...ble-tostees-unit/story-fnihsrf2-1227051950766

Good point, Amee. It must have been a total mess.

 

[SouthAussie]

But it could be argued she had.. or at least, there's no proof she didn't... I think the jury will see "I'll leave that there.." (the vodka) and all the other mentions of alcohol and hopefully will agree that he plied her with booze long after she said she was drunk..

I wonder if the forensics/autopsy/toxicology can reasonably predict at what time any possible drug/sleeping meds would have been ingested? And how? As in, in pill form or dissolved in liquid.

 

[Amee]

As today is R U OK Day. Im asking my fellow WS's. R U OK?

Remember to have regular meaningful conversations with your loved ones, family & friends about how you're feeling. If you need help, or someone to talk to, there are a number of helplines that can help. @Lifeline offer a 24/7 telephone counselling & crisis support line that is free to call from mobiles within Australia on 13 11 14.

https://www.ruok.org.au/

 

[BigT]

2.10am: Sound of a struggle. Female: 'That really hurt my vagina.' Male laughing and female replies: 'You sound like a f*****'.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...e-plus-happened-afterwards.html#ixzz3CxZscGm9

It is not long after this that things turn quite irrational. To administer a drug "intravaginal" is known as shelving.
Is it possible this was his route of administering?

It is possible to have an effect within 10 mins it seems. http://www.[link removed].au/health-wellbeing/stilnox-killed-my-sister/

 

[Ausgirl]

I think RUOK is an awesome idea.

Make a RUOK thread, Amee!? I'm OK. But maybe someone isn't.

 

[Brightbird]

I have an issue with all this talk of was she drugged or not. I'm not quite sure what my issue is though. I think it's the implication that Warriena wouldn't have fled if she was 'just' intoxicated on alcohol, or indeed just because GT scared the crap out of her.

I'm still not comfortable with the whole fleeing hypothesis though. But the police have the recording and I don't. The neighbour saw her legs dangling which implies Warriena was on the ledge for a short time. It was reported to be less than 30 seconds between GT forcing her on the balcony and the fading scream. Under 30 seconds including time spent "dangling" sounds like she went straight onto the ledge. I'm flipping between utter terror leading to a very impulsive action, or GT did something we don't know about. Sorry, I'm not much help.

 

[MsAnais]

I have an issue with all this talk of was she drugged or not. I'm not quite sure what my issue is though. I think it's the implication that Warriena wouldn't have fled if she was 'just' intoxicated on alcohol, or indeed just because GT scared the crap out of her.

I'm still not comfortable with the whole fleeing hypothesis though. But the police have the recording and I don't. The neighbour saw her legs dangling which implies Warriena was on the ledge for a short time. It was reported to be less than 30 seconds between GT forcing her on the balcony and the fading scream. Under 30 seconds including time spent "dangling" sounds like she went straight onto the ledge. I'm flipping between utter terror leading to a very impulsive action, or GT did something we don't know about. Sorry, I'm not much help.

Well that's an interesting take on it. I haven't interpreted it like. I've taken the discussion about possible drugs as more evidence that he is 'rapey'.

I personally think that if she did flee - she would have even if there were no drugs in her system. From the transcripts, by that point she was desperate to get away from this guy - who'd now plied her with moonshine, hurt her vagina and tackled her to the floor.:facepalm:

 

[Ausgirl]

I want to know *which* neighbour saw the dangling legs (under Tostee's apt? Across the street?), and in what direction her legs were facing (feet in toward the apts, ie - she's hanging by her hands off the rail or ledge) or outward (she's sitting on the rail.. but would that be perceived as "legs dangling' and from what perspective? idk).

Someone posted earlier that a neighbour saw Rrie *climbing* but I have not been able to find that comment.. only the one about the dangling legs. And dangling isn't part of climbing.. necessarily.

 

[Amee]

I want to know *which* neighbour saw the dangling legs (under Tostee's apt? Across the street?), and in what direction her legs were facing (feet in toward the apts, ie - she's hanging by her hands off the rail or ledge) or outward (she's sitting on the rail.. but would that be perceived as "legs dangling' and from what perspective? idk).

Someone posted earlier that a neighbour saw Rrie *climbing* but I have not been able to find that comment.. only the one about the dangling legs. And dangling isn't part of climbing.. necessarily.

there were 2 according to this MSM. One neighbour directly below and the other two floors under GT's


http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/...ble-tostees-unit/story-fnihsrf2-1227051950766

 

[SouthAussie]

I have an issue with all this talk of was she drugged or not. I'm not quite sure what my issue is though. I think it's the implication that Warriena wouldn't have fled if she was 'just' intoxicated on alcohol, or indeed just because GT scared the crap out of her.

I'm still not comfortable with the whole fleeing hypothesis though. But the police have the recording and I don't. The neighbour saw her legs dangling which implies Warriena was on the ledge for a short time. It was reported to be less than 30 seconds between GT forcing her on the balcony and the fading scream. Under 30 seconds including time spent "dangling" sounds like she went straight onto the ledge. I'm flipping between utter terror leading to a very impulsive action, or GT did something we don't know about. Sorry, I'm not much help.

I think that we are just discussing it because there is a post on the BB forum by Tostee talking about mixing up a drug cocktail.

But I agree, Warriena was just a little petite thing. Vodka moonshine would have probably had a devastating effect on her. And Tostee's threats, tackling and hurting her, depriving her of her liberty to leave, holding and interfering with her lifeline (phone), entrapping her on the balcony, are all enough to want a person to flee somehow .. instead of remaining for whatever further scary thing(s) may eventuate.

 

[BigT]

Tostee has done this: deprivation of liberty.
Tostee has not done this: duty of care.

Anyone who finds that acceptable is missing something in their head.

Absolutely this is the case! GT IS responsible, no matter how you look at it, no matter how. He invited her in, she died, he has to accept responsibility for her unlawful death. It is clear it is not an accident.

He has neglected to keep her safe as is his obligation and her reasonable expectation.

The opinion here is, even if she is drinking, taking drugs willingly or even without her knowledge, it is still GT (the resident) responsibility to keep her safe (even if that means to protect her from herself).

It seems to me that the QPS have known for some time he should not be walking among us, and it's not a difficult conclusion to draw. So far so good......

 

[Snoods]

RSBM

Hey snoods! :seeya:

You may be onto something there. I remember reading something among his 5000+ posts about having trouble sleeping, no matter what he took. I'll have a quick peek and see if I can find it.


ETA: Here is one post about taking sleeping meds .. but it is not the one I was thinking of.

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=162125141&p=1249561361#post1249561361


Here is another one .. he doesn't name the meds though. In this post he said he was drooling, talking nonsense, then knocked off a couple of bottles of alcohol.

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=160480291&p=1213663101#post1213663101

Hi SouthAussie! :loveyou:

BBM What a fun guy to meet while out and about on the town! I'm glad my days of meeting guys in bars are long over. My hot date from the other night: It was fun, except I was in bed watching cat videos on youtube and there wasn't a date. :crazy:

Hey, thank you so much for searching for that post. I think the thread below has the post you were looking for. He states he DOES HAVE a prescription for Ambien but is scared to take it. Then a few posts later he says he took 1/2 of an ambien and asks about Halcyon.

These particular posts are from almost three years ago, but at least we know at one point he had Ambien.

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=140112393&highlight

 

[sosocurious]

Judge said
Given Tostee did not appear to be on the balcony at the time, murder will be hard to prove.
Although theoretically your client was not on the balcony it makes the murder case a little bit more difficult.

http://www.9news.com.au/national/20...body-covered-in-scratches-after-balcony-death