Australia - Warriena Wright, 26, dies in balcony fall, Surfers Paradise, Aug 2014 #6

[JCB]

Saul Holt's was bland, I expected more.

He has only just started his address to the jury.

 

[MZD]

He has only just started his address to the jury.

Well, he better pick it up JCB.

Totally forgot he defended Bayley.

 

[Makara]

what don't we SEE on the recording?>. we don't SEE what he did that made her jump the railing.. it had to be something so menacing that jumping the railing was actually a choice.. ... I am thinking of people who jump from burning buildings.. on the face of it, it's a crazed thing to do, straight out the window and straight down 14 floors, sometimes more, and the question is, what were they fleeing that was worse than the inevitable end resulting from jumping?.. the fire, the silent fire, the inexorable unarguable fire closing in.. do I want to be burnt? or do I want to be crushed and broken.

We don't know what she saw that made her jump.. Gabe isn't going to tell us, either, naturally. But she fell 14 floors , as opposed to getting back into that apartment and that can only be due to terror of what was in that apartment, that was bigger than the terror of falling . .

Exactly. IMO Tostee picked Warriena up and threw her over his shoulder while carrying her to the balcony. That would be enough, even in a drunken state, to instill fear in her. Warriena's screams of "no, no, no..." are much louder at the point where she is taken towards the balcony. The recording device was in his pocket and her head would have been very close to his pocket if she was upended over his shoulder.

 

[Trooper]

Well, he better pick it up JCB.

Totally forgot he defended Bayley.

'think of Adrian as your son!!.. your brother!!.. your uncle!!..

:couch:

 

[Trooper]

as soon as Holt said that, 'think of Gabe as your son!, your brother!....'... I carefully poured myself a tiny shot of straight milo until the world went back on it's axis...

 

[JCB]

Totally forgot he defended Bayley.

And for that you should be eternally grateful.

Legal Aid rejected Baileys request for funding and as persons accused of serious crimes in Australia have a common law right to competent legal counsel, had Holt QC (or someone else) not stepped in to provide Adrian Bailey with legal representation, the court would have had no choice but to permanently stay a number of matters on which Bailey was convicted of.

'think of Adrian as your son!!.. your brother!!.. your uncle!!..

:couch:

Do you have any evidence that was actually said?

 

[Strangeworld]

And for that you should be eternally grateful.

Legal Aid rejected Baileys request for funding and as persons accused of serious crimes in Australia have a common law right to competent legal counsel, had Holt QC (or someone else) not stepped in to provide Adrian Bailey with legal representation, the court would have had no choice but to permanently stay a number of matters on which Bailey was convicted of.



Do you have any evidence that was actually said?

.....

I think it's enough of a talking point the fact that he said this about this current case. Not sure if anyone has time to locate the one in Bailey's trial.

 

[luvlee]

Imagine if Warriena's friends / ex lovers etc came forward with what they have seen when she's been intoxicated. I have a feeling this behaviour was not isolated. Does that mean she should have died, no way but it also means that Gable Tostee probably doesn't belong in jail.

 

[JCB]

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I don't see any reference to Bayley there? I was referring to Trooper's earlier allegation that it was a line borrowed from Bayley's parole(?) hearing.

 

[Strangeworld]

Imagine if Warriena's friends / ex lovers etc came forward with what they have seen when she's been intoxicated. I have a feeling this behaviour was not isolated. Does that mean she should have died, no way but it also means that Gable Tostee probably doesn't belong in jail.

Her behaviour is not on trial, Tostee's behaviour is. If the defence felt people in Warriena's life could offer relevant information for his defence, why not call them as witnesses? Oh hang on, no need for witnesses, let the tape speak for itself...

 

[Strangeworld]

I don't see any reference to Bayley there? I was referring to Trooper's earlier allegation that it was a line borrowed from Bayley's parole(?) hearing.

See above. I had to add the comment after saving because it wouldn't let me add before I saved it :seeya:

 

[JCB]

Her behaviour is not on trial, Tostee's behaviour is. If the defence felt people in Warriena's life could offer relevant information for his defence, why not call them as witnesses? Oh hang on, no need for witnesses, let the tape speak for itself...

Disregard, misread the above post.

 

[Kitsune]

Why did they not bring out, as witness's, the other girls he had hook ups with? Would that not show a pattern of predatory behavior? Or is there a legal reason they couldn't?

 

[MZD]

And for that you should be eternally grateful.

Legal Aid rejected Baileys request for funding and as persons accused of serious crimes in Australia have a common law right to competent legal counsel, had Holt QC (or someone else) not stepped in to provide Adrian Bailey with legal representation, the court would have had no choice but to permanently stay a number of matters on which Bailey was convicted of.



Do you have any evidence that was actually said?

JCB, I didn't say his defence of Bayley was bad. In actuality, the fact that Bayley got a 35 year minimum for Meagher's death (even though it was an open and shut case) and eventually got a rape overturned by Holt is very good defence.

 

[Makara]

JCB, I didn't say his defence of Bayley was bad. In actuality, the fact that Bayley got a 35 year minimum for Meagher's death (even though it was an open and shut case) and eventually got a rape overturned by Holt is very good defence.

Bayley pleaded guilty. There was no trial for the murder of Jill Meagher. What was there to defend?

 

[Trooper]

Her behaviour is not on trial, Tostee's behaviour is. If the defence felt people in Warriena's life could offer relevant information for his defence, why not call them as witnesses? Oh hang on, no need for witnesses, let the tape speak for itself...

amazing isn't it ? .. you just wouldn't read about it..

 

[Makara]

“You’ve worn out your welcome, you’re not my kind of girl. You have to leave,” he could be heard telling Ms Wright. “Ok,” she replied. “It’s all good.”

Cash told the court that Ms Wright ended up on the floor with Tostee restraining her. He said whatever the level of danger presented by Ms Wright, the situation was under control by Tostee.

In the tapes, Ms Wright agreed to leave but Tostee continued to restrain her.

“I’m sorry,” she could be heard saying. Audio of what the prosecution claims is Ms Wright being strangled was then played.

In the audio Tostee tells Ms Wright she doesn't "understand anything" while guttural noises can be heard in the background.

Read more.

 

[sleepinoz]

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[JCB]

Theoretical question...

There were many in the GBC case who were dumbfounded that a jury verdict, regarded by them as being sacrosanct, could be interfered with on appeal. Would those who had a strong opinion on this be okay if the jury delivered a not guilty verdict in this particular case?

 

[sleepinoz]

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