Australia Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall, NSW, 12 Sep 2014 - #68

[SouthAussie]

I just saw another post (by drsleuth) that says that Laura Beecroft had an amazing timeline document and spreadsheet, where she had everything plotted out.

(Neither here nor there, but it is an example of the careful organisation of the case notes by the detectives)

Australia - Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall, Nsw, 12 Sept 2014 - #49

 

[SouthAussie]

I don't know that it would make that much difference exactly when the police learned that FM drove down Batar Creek Road a little ways. Day One, Day Six.
The reason they do walkthroughs is to jog people's memories about exactly what they did/saw/heard, and when.

I think the thing that matters is ... was that area searched? Was FGM's car forensically examined? To rule that in, or rule that out.

I tend to think that perhaps neither were forensically searched before, or at least not indicated as searched on the police search maps, so the Coroner ordered the searches.

Here is an initial police search map, in case you haven't seen it before.

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(I'm not sure what the link was, but it will be back in the threads. You can see it is the Strike Force Rosann initial search map, and many here will remember it.)

I just realised that the police search map that I posted in this ^^^ post is not the initial search map. The one I posted is from the 4-week re-search in June 2018.

There is another (earlier) map of the initial search - but I don't seem to have saved it.
The earlier map has directional arrows on it, of the search, and it also had the initials/names of the people who searched those zones IIRC. But it covered the same area.
It will be found back in the threads somewhere.

 

[Blues Clues]

Apparently the 9.30 am leaving time was verified by his phone :
William Tyrrell: Inside 96 minutes which could hold answer what REALLY happened to missing toddler | Daily Mail Online

But I agree there’s also the contradiction with the snap from the CCTV at the Tennis Court.

I’m just going to say IMO on all this as I don’t have the energy to find (again) substantiating Links that have been seen by many here, so :

* FMFC said he left # 48 at 9.00 am
* my google search tells me it’s 4 min drive from there to Tennis Courts
* the time on Tennis Court cctv was said to be 9 mins slow
* FMFC vehicle was ‘snapped’ by that cctv just before 9.00 am

So for me, this brought a whole new set of questions ..

Heck Warsh that article is a bit of a dogs breakfast, but it's what we are used to from the DM I suppose.

This erroneous paragraph for example:
She drove down the road looking for him before briefly speaking to a truck driver who stopped to help then returned home.

Doesn't instill much confidence in the reliability of DM's reporting.

A google search brings up the same statement re MFC leaving at 9.30am tracked by his phone from The Australian which I believe would have most likely been written by CO. And yet CO also writes in her book he was recorded on the tennis court CCTV around 8.40am.

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It can't be both. As we know, we are best advised to take our facts from official sources or direct quotes from official sources and accept that anything else can't necessarily to be relied upon.

 

[Blues Clues]

I just realised that the police search map that I posted in this ^^^ post is not the initial search map. The one I posted is from the 4-week re-search in June 2018.

There is another (earlier) map of the initial search - but I don't seem to have saved it.
The earlier map has directional arrows on it, of the search, and it also had the initials of the people who searched those zones IIRC. But it covered the same area.
It will be found back in the threads somewhere.

The one you are referring to is in this article SA

William Tyrrell search: Early clues in case of missing toddler | news.com.au — Australia’s leading news site

 

[SouthAussie]

The one you are referring to is in this article SA

William Tyrrell search: Early clues in case of missing toddler | news.com.au — Australia’s leading news site

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Thanks! Saved it this time.

 

[katydid23]

Heck Warsh that article is a bit of a dogs breakfast, but it's what we are used to from the DM I suppose.

This erroneous paragraph for example:
She drove down the road looking for him before briefly speaking to a truck driver who stopped to help then returned home.

Doesn't instill much confidence in the reliability of DM's reporting.

A google search brings up the same statement re MFC leaving at 9.30am tracked by his phone from The Australian which I believe would have most likely been written by CO. And yet CO also writes in her book he was recorded on the tennis court CCTV around 8.40am.

Sleeps attachment #297

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It can't be both. As we know, we are best advised to take our facts from official sources or direct quotes from official sources and accept that anything else can't necessarily to be relied upon.

The Daily Mail just put out a big article on the Suzanne Morphew case---and they got many facts ALL WRONG. And significant facts too. We have been discussing it on that thread because it could taint the jury pool if anyone is reading it before they get called for jury duty.

edit: here is the daily mail FAIL:

Still Missing - CO - Suzanne Morphew, 49, Chaffee Co, 10 May 2020 *arrest* #98

 

[drsleuth]

I just saw another post (by drsleuth) that says that Laura Beecroft had an amazing timeline document and spreadsheet, where she had everything plotted out.

(Neither here nor there, but it is an example of the careful organisation of the case notes by the detectives)

Australia - Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall, Nsw, 12 Sept 2014 - #49

Yep SA Laura did alot of work on the timeline, including :

• re-canvas all of Kendall
• re-interview everyone in township, plus vehicles , including non-resident ( Annexure re-canvas info sheet )
  
• Extremely detailed ( Mr Craddocks words ) runs over multiple pages
  
• Ist page , not only people in town that day but occupation of people past 12 months, every house, every business
  
• Looked at time period 09:30-11:30, who was at these premises
• Their status ( ie owners , renters, share occupation )
  
• 2nd page you wanted to know when & how everyone you spoke to became aware WT was missing
• Took months to complete this task
• All that was documented in a spreedsheet & could be searched.
• Various tasks to be followed up
• POI packages developed - purpose of making more targeted enquiries from low threshold ( risk )
• Standardized info for follow up enquiries
• Looked at vehicles within a 100km radius & interviewed owners
• Particular focus of FFC cars she saw

Just some info from my notes , she had management of the eagle i Investigation Management system.

 

[purpleandgreen]

The Daily Mail just put out a big article on the Suzanne Morphew case---and they got many facts ALL WRONG. And significant facts too. We have been discussing it on that thread because it could taint the jury pool if anyone is reading it before they get called for jury duty.

edit: here is the daily mail FAIL:

Still Missing - CO - Suzanne Morphew, 49, Chaffee Co, 10 May 2020 *arrest* #98

And unfortunately, Katy, that's how rumours grow legs and become 'facts'.

 

[Couldbe]

I have just compared the photos (Those extracted from Twitter vs. Photo of the fabric that I have extracted directly from:https://www.news.com.au/national/ns...d/news-story/3f1009b4e52e8efb6d3841a7d728b457)

JMO but Media could have been reporting the piece of fabric as being 'faded red' due to having a bias towards it being red and connected to William's Superman outfit.
Just saying...

 

[SouthAussie]

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I have just compared the photos (Those extracted from Twitter vs. Photo of the fabric that I have extracted directly from:https://www.news.com.au/national/ns...d/news-story/3f1009b4e52e8efb6d3841a7d728b457)

JMO but Media could have been reporting the piece of fabric as being 'faded red' due to having a bias towards it being red and connected to William's Superman outfit.
Just saying...

Looks red to me. Looks more like the colour of the Macca's staff member's shirt (in your attached pic) than it does the colour of FM's shirt. imo

 

[Couldbe]

Looks red to me. Looks more like the colour of the Macca's staff member's shirt (in your attached pic) than it does the colour of FM's shirt. imo

South Aussie, are you sure!....... if you click in your post (on Attachment 338002) it looks way more pink than red!
The other Twitter photos were kindly attached by Blues Clues yesterday....to support an interpretation of red.

JMO It goes without saying that if the piece of fabric in the possession of LE proves to be useful to them (be it faded red / or pink) it will make their digging worthwhile.

 

[SouthAussie]

South Aussie, are you sure!....... if you click in your post (on Attachment 338002) it looks way more pink than red!
The other Twitter photos were kindly attached by Blues Clues yesterday....to support an interpretation of red.

JMO It goes without saying that if the piece of fabric in the possession of LE proves to be useful to them (be it faded red / or pink) it will make their digging worthwhile.

Yes, I am sure.

I have looked at it on 3 different devices now, looks like the red of the Macca's staff member's shirt on each one. Not like the pink of FM's shirt.

The photos you put up for comparison show me this clearly. I am not just judging it on its merit alone (although it still looks red to me, without the comparison pics).

No problem though. It is not worth a debate, in my mind. It is my opinion and the colour that my devices are showing to me. Yours may be showing you a different shade.

 

[purpleandgreen]

Yes, I am sure.

I have looked at it on 3 different devices now, looks like the red of the Macca's staff member's shirt on each one. Not like the pink of FM's shirt.

The photos you put up for comparison show me this clearly. I am not just judging it on its merit alone (although it still looks red to me, without the comparison pics).

No problem though. It is not worth a debate, in my mind. It is my opinion and the colour that my devices are showing to me. Yours may be showing you a different shade.

IMO we'd know by now if it was a remnant of her shirt. Btw, it looks red on my devices too, SA.

 

[Awakening]

FWIW it looks red to me too

 

[SouthAussie]

IMO we'd know by now if it was a remnant of her shirt. Btw, it looks red on my devices too, SA.

Yes, I think so too. The processing of the "bigger" found items (like the piece of material and any bones) would likely have been quite quick.

It is the sifting of the dirt that would have been a longer task. imo

I imagine the detectives would have been getting forensic updates as the anaylsis was happening.

 

[JBowie]

FWIW it looks red to me too

The FM's top at Maccas looks pinkish to me -- maybe faded red.

 

[drsleuth]

I also doubt that the FFC would have been wearing the same shirt the next morning IMO

 

[Couldbe]

I also doubt that the FFC would have been wearing the same shirt the next morning IMO

Dr Sleuth, if FFC had, just say, showered and was dressed in a fresh top and travelled to Kendall in an air-conditioned vehicle....plus knowing that FGM's washing machine was out of action, then JMO that she could very well have worn that same pink coloured top early the next morning.

 

[JBowie]

I also doubt that the FFC would have been wearing the same shirt the next morning IMO

Quite likely not (... although the fact that the washing machine wasn't working might have played a part in that).

 

[sleepinoz]

Dr Sleuth, if FFC had, just say, showered and was dressed in a fresh top and travelled to Kendall in an air-conditioned vehicle....plus knowing that FGM's washing machine was out of action, then JMO that she could very well have worn that same pink coloured top early the next morning.

I doubt it - when you go away for a weekend or a set amount of time, you tend to pack enough for each day so you don't have to wash. Don't you?