Australia Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall, NSW, 12 Sep 2014 - #68

[sleepinoz]

i remember reading awhile ago the bio father was out searching and digging in kendall, ill try to find the article, his mother said he was very distressed and she was worried about his mental state at the time?

No, he wanted to but wasn't permitted - others probably weren't permitted either. (Not named in this article as per my post above)

When William disappeared, the birth father said he had tried to see if he could join the search effort with Mid North Coast police “but was instructed it was best if I stayed away”.

https://www.news.com.au/national/co...d/news-story/7375dfc0d889d41a6159312d205a8340

 

[purpleandgreen]

Not IMO.

They've ( top cops ) have come out all guns a blazing in the latest search & invited the media to film. Which is odd IMO

Still, not had any results from that very intensive search thou IMO. They seemed overly confident at the start

Agree, doc. I really think this is more about internal police politics than William. IMO.

 

[katydid23]

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[katydid23]

It's reassuring to see the Detectives now donning their jeans and T-shirts and getting their hands dirty helping to search for William's remains. I don't recall that happening in this case before.
JMO

Initial search efforts
Hundreds of police, members of State Emergency Services, Rural Fire Service and members of the community searched day and night for Tyrrell. Specialist police, including the sex crimes squad from Strike Force became involved. Motorcycles and helicopters were brought in to search. Two hundred volunteers searched overnight, hundreds of people combed rugged terrain around the home and police divers searched waterways and dams. The police searched every house in the estate that surrounds Benaroon Drive several times.
The police detection dogs were brought in and they managed to detect Tyrrell's scent, but only within the boundaries of the backyard.[12]"Strike Force Rosann" was established with specially trained investigators from the State Crime Command who are experienced in the unexplained disappearance of young children. They supported the police, other emergency services workers and members of the public involved in the search. After five days, police said they were unable to come up with any leads.[13]

Disappearance of William Tyrrell - Wikipedia

I don't know why anyone would think that the police officers were not getting their hands dirty and searching from the start of this case.

 

[katydid23]

The mere fact they are reviewing old material and doing new interviews seems to me the current investigators are having to do so because it wasn’t done properly in the first place IMO.

I disagree. There are many reasons why the case is reviewed and witnesses reinterviewed. It is not necessarily because it was not done correctly.

 

[Awakening]

When our 6 year old son went missing, both my husband and I were in separate vehicles looking for him.

When my husband rang the police, they said to meet them at our house which my husband did while I kept looking.

The police ordered me back home. Of course, I agreed to come back home but said after I answered their questions I want to go back out and look and they said absolutely not. This was in Victoria 7 years ago. Parents apparently are told to stay home.

When I arrived home my son praise Jesus had just been found.

Shockingly, he'd seen my husband's car but avoided him because he thought he'd be in trouble.

He was trying to come home without being seen by us, when he saw police and police cars and went to take off figuring he was in REALLY big trouble now. Luckily my husband saw him.

It shocked me because our son had always been taught to trust police, they are our friends and in the past our son had always voluntarily gone up to police to say hi and ask questions.

Super important to teach kids that they won't be in trouble if they are lost.

 

[katydid23]

When our 6 year old son went missing, both my husband and I were in separate vehicles looking for him.

When my husband rang the police, they said to meet them at our house which my husband did while I kept looking.

The police ordered me back home. Of course, I agreed to come back home but said after I answered their questions I want to go back out and look and they said absolutely not. This was in Victoria 7 years ago. Parents apparently are told to stay home.

When I arrived home my son praise Jesus had just been found.

Shockingly, he'd seen my husband's car but avoided him because he thought he'd be in trouble.

He was trying to come home without being seen by us, when he saw police and police cars and went to take off figuring he was in REALLY big trouble now. Luckily my husband saw him.

It shocked me because our son had always been taught to trust police, they are our friends and in the past our son had always voluntarily gone up to police to say hi and ask questions.

Super important to teach kids that they won't be in trouble if they are lost.

Thank Goodness you found him. What a nightmare.

 

[SLouTh]

I thought they have claimed they already have the evidence needed to prove it? And they complained about the trial being 2 days long---saying that was too much time, and should take much less.

So why would they need 7 months to take it to trial?

Possibly because it was the first time the Magistrate could fit a 2 day hearing in to the Court Diary?

On Tuesday, a surprised Magistrate Miranda Moody questioned the need for two days to hear the two charges of lying to the NSW Crime Commission when the foster father’s lawyer Carly Hydes insisted the time was needed as ‘there’s an enormous amount of material’ including the accused’s police interview and ‘further electronic material’ to be played in court.

‘Two days?’ Magistrate Moody responded, ‘two days is a lot of time to ask for and we are very, very tight in the (court) diary.

‘That does not look a two day matter to me.

‘Sergeant, do you agree with that?,’ the Magistrate asked the police prosecutor, ‘How many witnesses are there for the defence?’

The 55-year-old foster father was charged by two detectives from the Unsolved Homicide team with knowingly giving false and misleading evidence after being arrested in January.

Ms Hydes said her client had a ‘long audio’ interview with police and further material was being collected.

After conferring with the prosecutor, she returned to the court room and told Magistrate Moody the request for a two day hearing was ‘maintained’.

The hearing will take place in the Downing Centre Local Court on October 12 and 13.

William Tyrrell's foster dad to face lengthy trial for allegedly lying to crime commission - N S F

JMO

 

[Awakening]

Thank Goodness you found him. What a nightmare.

Yep. Wouldn't wish it on anyone.

And we did so many things that would of been dissected on here as suspicious or stupid

My husband volunteers for coast guard and he said all his training and experience went out the window and he did things he *knew* not to do but in that situation emotions overtake logic.

 

[LIBPOP]

I’m sure this has been discussed probably many times over in previous threads, but what do we know about the MFC’s morning between the time of leaving Benaroon Dr and returning later that morning. There has been a description of his movements, which I understand was verified, but how was his mental/emotional state that morning. I’ve always had the view that if the FFC knew what happened to WT that morning the MFC would absolutely know too. This latest turn of events with the MFC makes me wonder if something happened to WT before the MFC left the home, or if he had something to do with concealing misadventure. IMO. JMO.

 

[Shadow@light]

I think there were a few cups of tea that morning. In my case there certainly would’ve been, as I’m a huge tea drinker

Totally agree with you Warshawski, my Grandparent would be on the phone to friends, " Now after my cup of tea this morning , I just remembered to call about........" One cup of tea? about three to five cups of teas I should know I made them for you. Yet they call it one cup of tea.

 

[TootsieFootsie]

For many people, a cup of tea in the morning is just that. One cup of tea.

Many people don't have one after the other. Not that it matters anyway.

I guess that's the thing, just because we or someone we know would do this or that, it doesn't apply that everyone would.

 

[drsleuth]

Initially, the FF were not permitted to face the media because of the fact that William is a Foster Child. They had to get their friends to speak on their behalf, DOCS were there directing them. This was all because of S105 of the Children and Young Persons Act.

View - NSW legislation

Then this was overruled when AS went to Court in 2017 (Department of Family and Community Services v Smith). From that point the Bio family was able to be ID'd - not the FF as they still had a Foster Child.

Now, the suppression orders are because of the Coroner's NPO (non publication orders), and until the Coroner gives her final outcome, neither family can be identified - including relatives. It's not just the FF it is the Bio's as well whilst this order is in place. You may have noticed that the BGM hasn't been ID'd in any articles either when she has given statements. (Since the beginning of the Inquest)

So you see IMO this is why they are not being ID'd - it's not "them" controlling the situation - it's the Coroners orders that override all others until the Inquest is complete.

Exactly Sleep

 

[Couldbe]

Initially, the FF were not permitted to face the media because of the fact that William is a Foster Child. They had to get their friends to speak on their behalf, DOCS were there directing them. This was all because of S105 of the Children and Young Persons Act.

View - NSW legislation

Then this was overruled when AS went to Court in 2017 (Department of Family and Community Services v Smith). From that point the Bio family was able to be ID'd - not the FF as they still had a Foster Child.

Now, the suppression orders are because of the Coroner's NPO (non publication orders), and until the Coroner gives her final outcome, neither family can be identified - including relatives. It's not just the FF it is the Bio's as well whilst this order is in place. You may have noticed that the BGM hasn't been ID'd in any articles either when she has given statements. (Since the beginning of the Inquest)
Do you know where they were the whole time? Did they stay inside FFGM's house the whole time?

So you see IMO this is why they are not being ID'd - it's not "them" controlling the situation - it's the Coroners orders that override all others until the Inquest is complete.

Do you know where the foster parents were? Did they have to stay inside the FGM's house the whole time?

 

[sleepinoz]

Do you know where the foster parents were? Did they have to stay inside the FGM's house the whole time?

Sorry, I have no idea what you mean, my post has nothing to do with their actual location at the time. My post is about why they were not permitted to ID themselves not about their whereabouts.

 

[Warshawski]

Not IMO.

They've ( top cops ) have come out all guns a blazing in the latest search & invited the media to film. Which is odd IMO

Still, not had any results from that very intensive search thou IMO. They seemed overly confident at the start

Dr do you really think we would be privy to what results they may have ? If it was my investigation I’d be keeping everything pretty tight until I was ready to say Go. but that’s just my opinion. I want the end result to be a success so I’m pretty thorough in my process development, no holes in my dykes

 

[Warshawski]

When or if a bank loans you money to renovate your home you are only permitted to spend it on the renovations - a condition of the loan.

I’d probably take out a Personal Loan, with my house as collateral.

I think I would really struggle to find the headspace for renovations, but then life has taught me that one has to do what one has to do, so we often just have to get on with it when all we want to do is curl up in a ball!
I wonder if they needed to Sell.

 

[Warshawski]

Have the bio family done any searching also??

Seems nothing that the FF did / didn't do / should have / shouldn't have , would ever be enough in the eyes of some

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[Warshawski]

Initially, the FF were not permitted to face the media because of the fact that William is a Foster Child. They had to get their friends to speak on their behalf, DOCS were there directing them. This was all because of S105 of the Children and Young Persons Act.

View - NSW legislation

Then this was overruled when AS went to Court in 2017 (Department of Family and Community Services v Smith). From that point the Bio family was able to be ID'd - not the FF as they still had a Foster Child.

Now, the suppression orders are because of the Coroner's NPO (non publication orders), and until the Coroner gives her final outcome, neither family can be identified - including relatives. It's not just the FF it is the Bio's as well whilst this order is in place. You may have noticed that the BGM hasn't been ID'd in any articles either when she has given statements. (Since the beginning of the Inquest)

So you see IMO this is why they are not being ID'd - it's not "them" controlling the situation - it's the Coroners orders that override all others until the Inquest is complete.

Yep, I hear you Sleep, and I’m still not comfortable. But my comfort is neither here nor there in the scheme of things

 

[Warshawski]

On July 1st 2019 it became NSW Department of Communities and Justice - DCJ

Communities and Justice (nsw.gov.au)

It happens in many Gov organisation’s IMO. Every time there’s a new Broom, everything has to change - look what I did, justify my position etc woops.