Australia Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall, NSW, 12 Sep 2014 - #69

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SouthAussie said:
I notice that this article says that the FP have just one witness each. I wonder if it is someone involved with the said horse riding fall.

William Tyrrell's foster parents face court on five charges of stalking and assaulting a child | Daily Mail Online
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It also says that there is a large amount of surveillance and up to 10 witnesses. Busy public horse riding event or something else?
I cant imagine the logistics of how you’d be stalking a child riding a horse either o_O
 
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Travelling Wilbury said:
It also says that there is a large amount of surveillance and up to 10 witnesses. Busy public horse riding event or something else?
I cant imagine the logistics of how you’d be stalking a child riding a horse either o_O
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I was referring to the assault charges.

I imagine the surveillance and up-to-10-witnesses is going to be about the stalking.
 
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bearbear said:
Twist in Tyrrell foster parents case as stalking charges mentioned
https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/breaking-news/william-tyrrells-foster-parents-to-front-court-on-friday-over-assault-charges/news-story/d83b4abfac37b4215af0ee5dc47fd153
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The twist is that the FM couldn't be mentally assessed due to the additional charges that were laid on her. She had been scheduled for assessment, then the additional charges were added, and the lawyer couldn't get another appointment for the assessment in time.

The judge didn't think the additional charges took the matter 'to another level of seriousness'.

The police prosecutor does not have the police brief ready.

The matter has been adjourned for a fortnight, and will recommence in Parramatta Local Court instead - they will set hearing dates and hear the mental health application at that time.
 
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SouthAussie said:
The twist is that the FM couldn't be mentally assessed due to the additional charges that were laid on her. She had been scheduled for assessment, then the additional charges were added, and the lawyer couldn't get another appointment for the assessment in time.

The judge didn't think the additional charges took the matter 'to another level of seriousness'.

The police prosecutor does not have the police brief ready.

The matter had been adjourned for a fortnight, and will recommence in Parramatta Local Court instead - they will set hearing dates and hear the mental health application at that time.
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I don't know how these things work. But wouldnt an assessment about mental health be the same test regardless of what charges are brought against someone? Or can you pick an choose
 
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Doesitmakesense said:
I don't know how these things work. But wouldnt an assessment about mental health be the same test regardless of what charges are brought against someone? Or can you pick an choose
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Maybe the FM's lawyer is indicating that FM had a further breakdown of some kind - after the additional charges - and wasn't fit for the test at the time.
 
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Doesitmakesense said:
I don't know how these things work. But wouldnt an assessment about mental health be the same test regardless of what charges are brought against someone? Or can you pick an choose
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I don't know either, but perhaps police ask the assessor for an opinion in relation to the specific charges--why did she do these things, were they because of a mental health condition, what condition. In my opinion there is no one test that would diagnose every mental health condition, and I doubt any condition can be diagnosed on the basis of a single test.
 
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SouthAussie said:
Maybe the FM's lawyer is indicating that FM had a further breakdown of some kind - after the additional charges - and wasn't fit for the test at the time.
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Even so, I thought the assessment was to prove mental health at time of the incident, not after.
 
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Doesitmakesense said:
Even so, I thought the assessment was to prove mental health at time of the incident, not after.
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Perhaps FM is still not mentally healthy. I imagine a person has to be able to sit and answer the mental health practitioner's questions, during an assessment.
 
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Maybe the stalking incident and witnesses are tied to the child's school.
 
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"the couple held a fire sale of children's bikes, car seats, prams, furniture and industrial equipment with items ranging between $5 and several thousand."

I don't understand why some of these items they held onto for so long - prams? etc obviously had no one to gift these items to before now. I understand selling items but they would be worth more if sold earlier being a non current model. Just wondering why they were kept.
 
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LolaAngelina said:
Police pursued Spedding case despite witness saying child sex claims were 'made up', court told

Why were 2 adult men in a caravan with 2 little girls? They were in the backyard of this man’s house, why wouldn’t he sleep inside? How is he a witness when it’s a possibility he was involved?
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and one of the little girls named him at the time
(im surprised this news report is still up considering the current court case)
Accused paedophile Bill Spedding questioned over William Tyrrell's disappearance | Daily Mail Online
 
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bearbear said:
Twist in Tyrrell foster parents case as stalking charges mentioned
https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/b...s/news-story/d83b4abfac37b4215af0ee5dc47fd153
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From the link above. thanks BB.
In December, the foster mother’s lawyer Sharon Ramsden said she would argue to have the case dealt with under the Mental Health Act.

A successful application allows a person who is charged with a criminal offence and suffers from a mental health impairment or cognitive impairment to be spared the possibility of conviction or a finding of guilt.

Sounds to lay person me.......Either FFC has issues that question her ability to care for children OR.........a desperate legal council is setting up for the insanity plea.

:confused:

moo
 
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LolaAngelina said:
l actually forgot how disturbing that case was. The fact the ladies confirmed the story again and went on the stand and testified to be denied again is heartbreaking
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I also don't see where the ladies confirmed the story again on the stand.
 
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JLZ said:
Do you mean the witness as the second adult man? I don't think it says he was an adult at the time?
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Thanks l think l misunderstood that. He was a child then.
 
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