Australia Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall, NSW, 12 Sep 2014 - #71

[SouthAussie]

"It's hard to put into detail what happened because I had to say it so many times to so many people and I know there is so many people who want to know the exact details and those sorts of things but it's just so personal for us...it's just our last time with him and I feel like I want to keep a lot of those really special memories for us personal, they're our family memories and I know people want to know more but I just, I've just got to keep some things private and special it's just as the time goes on with the whole thing it's just really hard now to keep talking about what happened on that morning"

From the Where's William podcast.

It is peculiar to agree to participate in a podcast about William's disappearance and then not want to talk about how it happened, because that's personal, and because she told a bunch of other people already. I just wondered if she made that excuse/diversion after a specific question she didn't want to answer.

Which Where's William podcast episode is this from please? There are 22 of them.

And would you happen to have an approximate time stamp of where in the episode this snippet is from?

If we had this information, we might be able to determine why that statement was made - and listen to it ourselves.

 

[KateM]

Which Where's William podcast episode is this from please? There are 22 of them.

And would you happen to have an approximate time stamp of where in the episode this snippet is from?

If we had this information, we might be able to determine why that statement was made - and listen to it ourselves.

I will have to get back to you on this. I copied the quote from a Websleuths post from last year, but I remember hearing it when I listened to the podcast, because I thought it was absolute nonsense and a good excuse to avoid answering questions.

 

[SouthAussie]

I will have to get back to you on this. I copied the quote from a Websleuths post from last year

Is there a link to the WS post? That should have the correct references that we need.

I just did a quick search for the post, but I haven't found it.

 

[KateM]

Is there a link to the WS post? That should have the correct references that we need.

I just did a quick search for the post, but I haven't found it.

It's from 1.57 mins into this.

 

[SouthAussie]

It's from 1.57 mins into this.

Thanks. It is the first part of a Daily Telegraph phone interview with the FP (but not from the podcast) from our member Richie Swan's YouTube channel. The part you quoted earlier is right near the start, around the 2 min mark. The interview was done around the first anniversary of William's disappearance.

I think that the main point of the interview was to speak of the two cars. Because it was around the one year mark that the public was told about them.

FM says the cars were either involved or they saw something. They just wanted the car owners to come forward.

They both speak a bit of their pain at the start, then speak of William, then the two cars.

(Just a rough outline for those who dont want to listen to it.)

 

[KateM]

Thanks. It is the first part of a phone interview with the FP (but not from the podcast) from our member Richie Swan's YouTube channel. The part you quoted earlier is right near the start, around the 2 min mark. The interview was done around the first anniversary of William's disappearance.

I think that the main point of the interview was to speak of the two cars. Because it was around the one year mark that the public was told about them.

FM says the cars were either involved or they saw something. They just wanted the car owners to come forward.

They both speak a bit of their pain at the start, then speak of William, then the two cars.

The post that I originally copied from Websleuths said that they copied it from Lia's podcast. I'll make sure next time that I copy the link to the original post.

 

[SouthAussie]

The post that I originally copied from Websleuths said that they copied it from Lia's podcast. I'll make sure next time that I copy the link to the original post.

No worries. I just didn't want others thinking it was from the podcast is all. Thanks for finding it.
After I just listened to it, I remembered hearing it before.

 

[seekingjustice**]

It's from 1.57 mins into this.

Just listening to this interview and I noticed inconsistencies in the Foster Mother's story v's the Foster Grandmother's story.

Foster Mother said "I started yelling out “William you need to talk to me, where are you, I need to hear your voice, Mummy can’t see you, where are you, talk to me, talk to me” and I just raced around the house, I must have raced around that back yard for maybe 10 minutes and then I’ve raced back up and I’ve said to Mum “he’s gone” and she said “what do you mean he’s gone” and I said “I can’t see him, I can’t find him”

In FGM's walkthrough interview with Detective Partridge
Detective Partridge asks FGM “When he went around the corner of the house, could you still hear him, was he playing tiger?” FGM “no, no”

Detective Partridge asks the FGM what happened next and is told that 'between four and five minutes' later her daughter disappeared after William.

After remaining seated 'for some time, then I didn’t hear from her, I got up and followed them down.'

FGM said 'I walked all the way down here wondering what’s going on' and agreed she still couldn't see her daughter and so 'I went all the way down to the road.
bbm

Inside house where William Tyrrell spent his final hours

Never before seen images of the inside of the house house where William Tyrrell spent his last hours and and the bedroom he slept in before vanishing without a trace have emerged.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[KateM]

Just listening to this interview and I noticed inconsistencies in the Foster Mother's story v's the Foster Grandmother's story.

Foster Mother said "I started yelling out “William you need to talk to me, where are you, I need to hear your voice, Mummy can’t see you, where are you, talk to me, talk to me” and I just raced around the house, I must have raced around that back yard for maybe 10 minutes and then I’ve raced back up and I’ve said to Mum “he’s gone” and she said “what do you mean he’s gone” and I said “I can’t see him, I can’t find him”

In FGM's walkthrough interview with Detective Partridge
Detective Partridge asks FGM “When he went around the corner of the house, could you still hear him, was he playing tiger?” FGM “no, no”

Detective Partridge asks the FGM what happened next and is told that 'between four and five minutes' later her daughter disappeared after William.

After remaining seated 'for some time, then I didn’t hear from her, I got up and followed them down.'

FGM said 'I walked all the way down here wondering what’s going on' and agreed she still couldn't see her daughter and so 'I went all the way down to the road.
bbm

Inside house where William Tyrrell spent his final hours

Never before seen images of the inside of the house house where William Tyrrell spent his last hours and and the bedroom he slept in before vanishing without a trace have emerged.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Good pick up by you. That's a major contradiction of stories...

 

[Megnut]

It's from 1.57 mins into this.

Listening to just the first ten minutes or so...

Observations:

She's told the details so often it's hard to remember them?

She looked for Wm for "ten minutes or so"* (in the yard) before alerting FGma.

She recalled noticing the cars 1st thing that morning when she awoke and opened the sliders (to the high veranda). Parked between driveways. She claimed it seemed odd to her.

Why? It wasn't her neighborhood. Perhaps cars parked there frequently, perhaps the neighbors had guests or staff or spare vehicles. Nothing odd about that.

He described how Wm awakened full of energy, setting about taking all the toys out. ("But that's fine/okay" he said.) He further recalled his last memory of Wm. "He was already wearing [the Spiderman outfit], I think."

My thoughts:

Question: if a young child disappeared around the corner, and no sign of him were there, wouldn't you continue around the house to see if he'd simply circled around to the patio?

Do her actions show "consciousness of guilt" -- foreknowledge, actions in support of him being missing (not findable), in furtherance of a built, false narrative?

Do those "ten minutes or so" coincide with a drive away from the property? Seems likely to me.

Her description of playing with Wm in the garden sounds very much like something only she and Wm were doing....

Did that event/narrative occur just prior to the "ten minutes or so" which would extend her window for being away from the patio and away from the home by a fair amount of time?

Those deleted texts -- what did they contain? Conversations about difficulties with fostering? Marital discord? Third parties?

IF there was marital discord (relative to fostering Wm or any other reason) and IF Wm was injured fatally and accidentally, did FFC pivot and decide she needed to hold things together? Hide Wm, claim abduction because she feared the fall-out of negligence, if so charged, but not just by LE, but from her spouse and from the foster system (losing fostership of the girl)?

Self-preservation can be a powerful motivator.

JMO

 

[SouthAussie]

She recalled noticing the cars 1st thing that morning when she awoke and opened the sliders (to the high veranda). Parked between driveways. She claimed it seemed odd to her.

Why? It wasn't her neighborhood. Perhaps cars parked there frequently, perhaps the neighbors had guests or staff or spare vehicles. Nothing odd about that.

She said why.

Because the driveways are so long there that people dont usually park on the street, it would take 3 or 4 minutes to walk to the house. (Obviously she is not good with time imo . But I think her point was it is a longish walk to the house, when you can just park in the long driveway.)

I am not saying the cars were or were not there. It has always been a mystery to us why the police waited a year to tell us about them.

But she did say why she thought that it was odd.

 

[Warshawski]

"It's hard to put into detail what happened because I had to say it so many times to so many people and I know there is so many people who want to know the exact details and those sorts of things but it's just so personal for us...it's just our last time with him and I feel like I want to keep a lot of those really special memories for us personal, they're our family memories and I know people want to know more but I just, I've just got to keep some things private and special it's just as the time goes on with the whole thing it's just really hard now to keep talking about what happened on that morning"

From the Where's William podcast.

I’ve said it soooo many times, to soooo many people - OMG, it’s so exhausting when a child in your care goes missing !

. that’s just my own personal take on those comments, as I shake my head & ponder what I’ve missed ..

 

[Warshawski]

The truth is the truth.

Holes can't be poked through it.

co-ersion.....interference.....manipulation on any front will be exposed if brought to a court of law.

Hopefully thats exactly what will happen.

moo

100% that is the reality of life. Truth will eventually prevail. ... one way or another, and in its own time.

for William.

 

[Warshawski]

No worries. I just didn't want others thinking it was from the podcast is all. Thanks for finding it.
After I just listened to it, I remembered hearing it before.

thanks SA, it’s important to maintain the reference structure.

 

[Detective Willy]

Good pick up by you. That's a major contradiction of stories...

I think that’s why so many people became suspicious of the FM including police. Starting with the 000 call there are many statements that she makes that are changed later or are just simply strange statements. If we make a list of them all it will be a very long post.

 

[SouthAussie]

thanks SA, it’s important to maintain the reference structure.

It really is. I can't tell you how many times I search back through the threads, looking for a link or good reference point. To gain some clarity and context about a random sentence/paragraph that is quoted.

 

[k-mac]

Listening to just the first ten minutes or so...

Observations:

She's told the details so often it's hard to remember them?

She looked for Wm for "ten minutes or so"* (in the yard) before alerting FGma.

She recalled noticing the cars 1st thing that morning when she awoke and opened the sliders (to the high veranda). Parked between driveways. She claimed it seemed odd to her.

Why? It wasn't her neighborhood. Perhaps cars parked there frequently, perhaps the neighbors had guests or staff or spare vehicles. Nothing odd about that.

He described how Wm awakened full of energy, setting about taking all the toys out. ("But that's fine/okay" he said.) He further recalled his last memory of Wm. "He was already wearing [the Spiderman outfit], I think."

My thoughts:

Question: if a young child disappeared around the corner, and no sign of him were there, wouldn't you continue around the house to see if he'd simply circled around to the patio?

Do her actions show "consciousness of guilt" -- foreknowledge, actions in support of him being missing (not findable), in furtherance of a built, false narrative?

Do those "ten minutes or so" coincide with a drive away from the property? Seems likely to me.

Her description of playing with Wm in the garden sounds very much like something only she and Wm were doing....

Did that event/narrative occur just prior to the "ten minutes or so" which would extend her window for being away from the patio and away from the home by a fair amount of time?

Those deleted texts -- what did they contain? Conversations about difficulties with fostering? Marital discord? Third parties?

IF there was marital discord (relative to fostering Wm or any other reason) and IF Wm was injured fatally and accidentally, did FFC pivot and decide she needed to hold things together? Hide Wm, claim abduction because she feared the fall-out of negligence, if so charged, but not just by LE, but from her spouse and from the foster system (losing fostership of the girl)?

Self-preservation can be a powerful motivator.

JMO

bingo!

The most logical explanation.
That is where strikeforce rosanne appears to be working with.

There has been zero physical evidence of a kendall boogie man roaming around country acreages that practically no (minimal at best) children live in.
The resources that have been thrown at this idea anyway is astronomical. Noone can ever say LE didn't look hard at every outside possibility.


You really have to go there to comprehend how unrealistic the abduction theory is.

MOO

 

[KateM]

She said why.

Because the driveways are so long there that people dont usually park on the street, it would take 3 or 4 minutes to walk to the house. (Obviously she is not good with time imo . But I think her point was it is a longish walk to the house, when you can just park in the long driveway.)

I am not saying the cars were or were not there. It has always been a mystery to us why the police waited a year to tell us about them.

But she did say why she thought that it was odd.

It really is. I can't tell you how many times I search back through the threads, looking for a link or good reference point. To gain some clarity and context about a random sentence/paragraph that is quoted.

It really is. I can't tell you how many times I search back through the threads, looking for a link or good reference point. To gain some clarity and context about a random sentence/paragraph that is quoted.

As I said, from now on if I'm quoting a post from Websleuths, I'll share the complete post. I'm fairly new to this forum and am still getting my head around it. Thanks.

 

[KateM]

I'm not so sure about that SA.

I was referring to being influenced by her foster parents all the way along not recent times as your post refers to everyone currently now but.. the fosters, for clarity.

I was involved(witness) in a traumatic experience (a type of accident) when I was 3 and the narrative was changed immediately. I knew it then....I knew it when I was 10 .... I knew it when I was 20...I know it now.

The truth can not be muddied.
Not really...not truly. Not even by those powerful influential close to us.
It might be hidden...it might be uneasy...but its there. if its there.

People can not implant false memories. A coerced individual can play along.....but the truth simmers away......never to be dissolved.

moo

I've been reading back on some posts on here from last year. This is a very good one and gives us more detail about Linsday's interview with Senior Constable Debra Nelson, witnessed by Senior Constable Wendy Hudson.

Australia - Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall, Nsw, 12 Sept 2014 - #55

Didn't they find the well dressed man, spoke with him, and said he wasn't involved? Pretty sure there is a link about it way back in the threads. I think the man was with his wife IIRC. I seem missing it, can't remember, certainly not a wife in his accompaniment. But thank you!

www.websleuths.com

Nelson: Oh, okay. And you said that he went off to find Daddy's car? How do you know he went off to find Daddy's car?
Lindsay: Because ... I don't know.


Hmmm...

 

[Megnut]

Could someone have purposefully manipulated the girl's memory, meeting events, smudging the timeline? Repeating a narrative to legitimize it?

Perhaps she did see Wm run after the FFMC when he left (whether once or as I have postulated twice). Perhaps the FFFC took advantage of the memory-malleability of the very young and the very old, attempting to convince them that 20-30 minutes was mere minutes.

The FGma's account slips some truths in. I think she was genuinely trying to make sense of both Wm's disappearance and her daughter's, when she went around to the road, finding neither.

Perhaps she did sound an early alarm.

I wonder when and whether she knew her daughter had left in her car. And with what for an explanation?!

At some point did the FFFC convince her mother to "recall" things a certain way, effectively setting her up for collusion?

The truth of what happened that day seems to be trying to wriggle free.

JMO