Australia Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall, NSW, 12 Sep 2014 - #71

[KateM]

bingo!

The most logical explanation.
That is where strikeforce rosanne appears to be working with.

There has been zero physical evidence of a kendall boogie man roaming around country acreages that practically no (minimal at best) children live in.
The resources that have been thrown at this idea anyway is astronomical. Noone can ever say LE didn't look hard at every outside possibility.


You really have to go there to comprehend how unrealistic the abduction theory is.

MOO

A lot of people have been easily fooled up until now. Let's hope there is justice for William, his sister and bio family.

Could someone have purposefully manipulated the girl's memory, meeting events, smudging the timeline? Repeating a narrative to legitimize it?

Perhaps she did see Wm run after the FFMC when he left (whether once or as I have postulated twice). Perhaps the FFFC took advantage of the memory-malleability of the very young and the very old, attempting to convince them that 20-30 minutes was mere minutes.

The FGma's account slips some truths in. I think she was genuinely trying to make sense of both Wm's disappearance and her daughter's, when she went around to the road, finding neither.

Perhaps she did sound an early alarm.

I wonder when and whether she knew her daughter had left in her car. And with what for an explanation?!

At some point did the FFFC convince her mother to "recall" things a certain way, effectively setting her up for collusion?

The truth of what happened that day seems to be trying to wriggle free.

JMO

I feel that William's sister had been manipulated in what to say to the police. As to the FGM, I'm not so sure.

 

[SouthAussie]

Could someone have purposefully manipulated the girl's memory, meeting events, smudging the timeline? Repeating a narrative to legitimize it?

Perhaps she did see Wm run after the FFMC when he left (whether once or as I have postulated twice). Perhaps the FFFC took advantage of the memory-malleability of the very young and the very old, attempting to convince them that 20-30 minutes was mere minutes.

The FGma's account slips some truths in. I think she was genuinely trying to make sense of both Wm's disappearance and her daughter's, when she went around to the road, finding neither.

Perhaps she did sound an early alarm.

I wonder when and whether she knew her daughter had left in her car. And with what for an explanation?!

At some point did the FFFC convince her mother to "recall" things a certain way, effectively setting her up for collusion?

The truth of what happened that day seems to be trying to wriggle free.

JMO

It would be interesting to know if FM is still a POI. The police do not seem to be in the habit of promptly telling the public when a POI has been cleared, and I think we might have to wait for the Coronial Report to find out.


"Although the foster mother was initially ruled out as a suspect, she became a person of interest for a period of time last year."

William Tyrrell's foster mother to plead not guilty to misleading crime commission

The 56-year-old is accused of giving false evidence during a hearing into the disappearance of William Tyrrell from his foster grandmother's home in 2014.

www.abc.net.au

 

[k-mac]

The truth of what happened that day seems to be trying to wriggle free.

JMO

sbm
yes indeed it is.

 

[JLZ]

Just listening to this interview and I noticed inconsistencies in the Foster Mother's story v's the Foster Grandmother's story.

Foster Mother said "I started yelling out “William you need to talk to me, where are you, I need to hear your voice, Mummy can’t see you, where are you, talk to me, talk to me” and I just raced around the house, I must have raced around that back yard for maybe 10 minutes and then I’ve raced back up and I’ve said to Mum “he’s gone” and she said “what do you mean he’s gone” and I said “I can’t see him, I can’t find him”

In FGM's walkthrough interview with Detective Partridge
Detective Partridge asks FGM “When he went around the corner of the house, could you still hear him, was he playing tiger?” FGM “no, no”

Detective Partridge asks the FGM what happened next and is told that 'between four and five minutes' later her daughter disappeared after William.

After remaining seated 'for some time, then I didn’t hear from her, I got up and followed them down.'

FGM said 'I walked all the way down here wondering what’s going on' and agreed she still couldn't see her daughter and so 'I went all the way down to the road.
bbm

Inside house where William Tyrrell spent his final hours

Never before seen images of the inside of the house house where William Tyrrell spent his last hours and and the bedroom he slept in before vanishing without a trace have emerged.

www.dailymail.co.uk

There has to be a chunk of time missing from FGM's account because by the time she gets to the road AMS is involved which means that MFC has already returned and met up with FFC, and he's started yelling and running around up past where FGM and Lindsay had been sitting, but she hasn't noticed that, she's only looking for FFC because FFC has been away from the patio for a few minutes. And by the time FGM gets to the road FFC is already down the far end, after speaking with MFC at the house and somehow getting down there without FGM, who is coming down the hill across the yard, seeing her pass. It's not possible it happened like that.

 

[SouthAussie]

There has to be a chunk of time missing from FGM's account because by the time she gets to the road AMS is involved which means that MFC has already returned and met up with FFC, and he's started yelling and running around up past where FGM and Lindsay had been sitting, but she hasn't noticed that, she's only looking for FFC because FFC has been away from the patio for a few minutes. And by the time FGM gets to the road FFC is already down the far end, after speaking with MFC at the house and somehow getting down there without FGM, who is coming down the hill across the yard, seeing her pass. It's not possible it happened like that.

It is not possible for much of the FGM's account to have happened. I am not sure that she made a very good witness.

I can't even take her statements seriously, because if there was collusion between the FF about William's disappearance, her statements would not have been as stated.

If the FP coerced the 4 year old daughter, they would have coerced the 80 year old FGM too.

imo

 

[KateM]

It would be interesting to know if FM is still a POI. The police do not seem to be in the habit of promptly telling the public when a POI has been cleared, and I think we might have to wait for the Coronial Report to find out.


"Although the foster mother was initially ruled out as a suspect, she became a person of interest for a period of time last year."

William Tyrrell's foster mother to plead not guilty to misleading crime commission

The 56-year-old is accused of giving false evidence during a hearing into the disappearance of William Tyrrell from his foster grandmother's home in 2014.

www.abc.net.au

Considering that the FFC has been charged with giving false evidence to the NSW Crime Commission, I think it's safe to say that she would still be a POI, at least until her court case on the 7th June. The MFC has also been charged with giving false evidence and his court case will be held in October.

That quote in the ABC article about the FFC being a POI for a while last year, is most likely a journalistic error.

 

[JLZ]

Considering that the FFC has been charged with giving false evidence to the NSW Crime Commission, I think it's safe to say that she would still be a POI, at least until her court case on the 7th June. The MFC has also been charged with giving false evidence and his court case will be held in October.

That quote in the ABC article about the FFC being a POI for a while last year, is most likely a journalistic error.

It's not an error; it's true she was a POI. I think it might be cautious writing; they knew she was a POI, and they've had no update, so they write no more than they know.

 

[KateM]

There has to be a chunk of time missing from FGM's account because by the time she gets to the road AMS is involved which means that MFC has already returned and met up with FFC, and he's started yelling and running around up past where FGM and Lindsay had been sitting, but she hasn't noticed that, she's only looking for FFC because FFC has been away from the patio for a few minutes. And by the time FGM gets to the road FFC is already down the far end, after speaking with MFC at the house and somehow getting down there without FGM, who is coming down the hill across the yard, seeing her pass. It's not possible it happened like that.

I agree. Also, why didn't the FFC tell the 000 operator that she had driven up to Batar Creek Rd to 'look' for him?

 

[JLZ]

It is not possible for much of the FGM's account to have happened. I am not sure that she made a very good witness.

I can't even take her statements seriously, because if there was collusion between the FF about William's disappearance, her statements would not have been as stated.

If the FP coerced the 4 year old daughter (I doubt it), they would have coerced the 80 year old FGM too.

imo

I don't think either were co-erced. I think they've talked about it and Lindsay was influenced. I think FGM has memory problems exacerbated by stress. It would be a bad tactic to rely on that though. She might easily forget what they want her to remember and remember the inconvenient thing.

 

[KateM]

It's not an error; it's true she was a POI. I think it might be cautious writing; they knew she was a POI, and they've had no update, so they write no more than they know.

I know she was a POI, I mean that the article is implying that she is no longer a POI. It might have been caution on their part.

 

[KateM]

I don't think either were co-erced. I think they've talked about it and Lindsay was influenced. I think FGM has memory problems exacerbated by stress. It would be a bad tactic to rely on that though. She might easily forget what they want her to remember and remember the inconvenient thing.

I mean subtle coercion re Lindsay.

 

[SouthAussie]

I don't think either were co-erced. I think they've talked about it and Lindsay was influenced. I think FGM has memory problems exacerbated by stress. It would be a bad tactic to rely on that though. She might easily forget what they want her to remember and remember the inconvenient thing.

I don't think they were coerced either. Subtly or blatantly.

I think we expect too much of a little child.

4 year old Addy (Tahnee Shanks case) doesn't seem to have been able to assist the police about her mother's disappearance and herself being left on the streets of Cancun.

 

[Detective Willy]

I agree. Also, why didn't the FFC tell the 000 operator that she had driven up to Batar Creek Rd to 'look' for him?

100% agree with you Kate - one of the reasons IMO she was not honest from the start.

At 1 minute 50 seconds into the call she tells the operator "we walked up and down Benaroon Drive and can't find him".

No mention of the infamous drive that she took. Why?

She also confirms to the operator that William has been missing since around 10.30am but IMO he went missing much earlier than this.

 

[KateM]

It's not an error; it's true she was a POI. I think it might be cautious writing; they knew she was a POI, and they've had no update, so they write no more than they know.

My point is that as far as we know, she is still a POI until we are otherwise informed.

 

[KateM]

100% agree with you Kate - one of the reasons IMO she was not honest from the start.

At 1 minute 50 seconds into the call she tells the operator "we walked up and down Benaroon Drive and can't find him".

No mention of the infamous drive that she took. Why?

She also confirms to the operator that William has been missing since around 10.30am but IMO he went missing much earlier than this.

Yes, I think William disappeared' earlier than she stated as well.

 

[KateM]

I don't think they were coerced either. Subtly or blatantly.

I think we expect too much of a little child.

4 year old Addy (Tahnee Shanks case) doesn't seem to have been able to assist the police about her mother's disappearance and herself being left on the streets of Cancun.

Coerced is the wrong word here and yes, I appreciate that Lindsay was only a young child at the time. I think that she had heard the FFC repeat things over and over, until it became fact. I do think though, that Lindsay was wary of saying too much that day, for fear of upsetting the FFC...

 

[k-mac]

Coerced is the wrong word here and yes, I appreciate that Lindsay was only a young child at the time. I think that she had heard the FFC repeat things over and over, until it became fact. I do think though, that Lindsay was wary of saying too much that day, for fear of upsetting the FFC...

100% agree.

I posted a post a few days ago I myself at 3 have vivid independant memories of an incident that the narrative was changed immediately....I always knew it....and I also always kept my mouth shut.

I didn't add to that post ...the age I was when I pushed back and verbalized "no...thats not the truth"..

12.


I relate to this little girl and IMO she has unburdened herself.

Time is going to tell one way or the other.

moo

 

[JLZ]

Coerced is the wrong word here and yes, I appreciate that Lindsay was only a young child at the time. I think that she had heard the FFC repeat things over and over, until it became fact. I do think though, that Lindsay was wary of saying too much that day, for fear of upsetting the FFC...

I think she was intimidated when the police officer asked her how she knew William went to look for Daddy's car. She took it as a contradiction and after that it was "I don't know" or silence in response to a number of questions.

 

[JLZ]

Where do you people understand that FGM's and MFC's cars were parked? I'm wondering if I've been thinking it the wrong way around.

 

[SouthAussie]

I've been reading back on some posts on here from last year. This is a very good one and gives us more detail about Linsday's interview with Senior Constable Debra Nelson, witnessed by Senior Constable Wendy Hudson.

Australia - Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall, Nsw, 12 Sept 2014 - #55

Didn't they find the well dressed man, spoke with him, and said he wasn't involved? Pretty sure there is a link about it way back in the threads. I think the man was with his wife IIRC. I seem missing it, can't remember, certainly not a wife in his accompaniment. But thank you!

www.websleuths.com

Nelson: Oh, okay. And you said that he went off to find Daddy's car? How do you know he went off to find Daddy's car?
Lindsay: Because ... I don't know.


Hmmm...

Way back in the threads we researched why a child says "I don't know". There are many reasons. One of the big ones is that they are overwhelmed. None of the reasons was that they were afraid to respond due to fear of reprisal.

Just something that has been explored that might be worth mentioning.

EG:

Truth For Teachers - A bright idea for responding when kids say “I don’t know”

Sometimes an “I don’t know” comes from a child waving his or hand wildly, desperate to be called on, only to be at a loss for words once acknowledged. Sometimes you hear “I don’t know” because the child is shy, embarrassed to talk, or unsure of the answer. And sometimes “I don’t know” is said …...

truthforteachers.com

Children Who Habitually Respond With "I Don't Know" Are Telling Us More Than What Their Words Say - HealthStatus

It can be extremely frustrating to ask your child a question and for them to respond with an "I don’t know".

www.healthstatus.com