Australia Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall, NSW, 12 Sep 2014 - #71

[JLZ]

I disagree, many spots someone could have been watching from ( eg the Miller's house where no one was home ) . Many of the houses are well back of the street with lots of trees & shrubs where anyone could have been watching from IMO

No one gave any evidence of seeing the FGM out on the street / road, certainly not AMS.

There are so many holes in her memory in her walkthru that don't make any sense to me ( and remember that only a small snippet of her walk thru has been published by the Daily Mail / Candice Sutton, who by the way was only at a small amount of the inquest -- the first few days I think from memory )


I agree JLZ

Why would she, why would a 000 call taker need to know that?? What would it have achieved? She siad she had looked & couldn't find him, hence the 000 call

The FFC said in her 000 call that she had been looking for him for for about 15 or 20 minutes, she said "I though it could be 5 it could be longer because he was just playing around here, we heard him & than we heard nothing " ( the call was made @ 10:57 )

All 3 were out on the back deck, William's sister was still drawing ......

Was the video of FGM's walkthrough interview played at the inquest?

 

[drsleuth]

Was the video of FGM's walkthrough interview played at the inquest?

No it wasn't JLZ

 

[SouthAussie]

No it wasn't JLZ

I am not surprised. I get the impression that everyone was protecting FGM from public opinion.

 

[bearbear]

I’ve enjoyed reading all ur posts since I’ve been busy dealing with some medical issues. I’m happy we’re all still here trying to get justice for lil William. I’ve been praying a lot lately and my prayers have included William every time. Thank you to all of you on his forum for keeping his case alive. I trust le this time around. I truly feel they will be able to solve his after all this time. I have a good feeling and I’ll never give up hope. Keep up with the great posts. We may not all agree but we agree with one thing. That’s that lil William deserves justice no matter how long it takes. I’m sorry for the personal info. Not relevant I know. Prayers for William and his sister today and every day. God Speed. Keep the faith and never give up hope. All my opinion of course.

wishing you love and light and healing hope you feel better soon

 

[Mauig’ma]

Does that apply to another POI PS as well, as he had a hell of a lot of inconsistancies ??

Yes actually it does. Anyone who is actively a poi I’m referring to.

 

[JLZ]

I wonder what that truck driver saw. I mean, could it have been FGM who went for the drive not FFC and that's why she sometimes remembers it and sometimes doesn't.

 

[KateM]

I wonder what that truck driver saw. I mean, could it have been FGM who went for the drive not FFC and that's why she sometimes remembers it and sometimes doesn't.

Doubtful.

 

[kiwi50]

Then you may not be aware that BS asked people to look at their photos and see if he was in any of them from the assembly.
And that the police spoke with the school to see if they remembered him.
And that they spoke with the cafe manager.
And that Jubes did a walkthrough - which we have seen - with MS.
(IIRC BS said they sat in one spot at the assembly, and MS said they sat in another spot.)

Trying to rule him in or rule him out.
Trying to close off the investigation into BS that Hans Rupp started before Jubes took over the case.

I can’t recall the Speddings ever remembering whom they sat next to at the Assembly.
Couldn’t believe no one ever came forward and recalled sitting with them either, considering how important it was at that stage.
A receipt for two cups of coffee didnt prove anything to me.

 

[KateM]

I can’t recall the Speddings ever remembering whom they sat next to at the Assembly.
Couldn’t believe no one ever came forward and recalled sitting with them either, considering how important it was at that stage.
A receipt for two cups of coffee didnt prove anything to me.

You'd better haver a read of this...

Australia - Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall, NSW, 12 Sep 2014 - #71

Bill Spedding's alibis have been proven. He has the receipt from the cafe and witnesses gave testimony at the inquest that they saw him at the school event. Yes, but as per the post I was responding to - the Coroner hasn't cleared him either have the Police. IMO

www.websleuths.com

 

[sleepinoz]

You'd better haver a read of this...

Australia - Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall, NSW, 12 Sep 2014 - #71

Bill Spedding's alibis have been proven. He has the receipt from the cafe and witnesses gave testimony at the inquest that they saw him at the school event. Yes, but as per the post I was responding to - the Coroner hasn't cleared him either have the Police. IMO

www.websleuths.com

As per other members thoughts, why should we believe that if it hasn't come from LE? IMO

 

[katydid23]

Im not sure if discussing the where’s William episode by Lia Harris is allowed. I was listening to it again and I find this strange. This is the direct quotes from the FFC and MFC about about why the FFC automatically believed William was kidnapped..

FFC: so what made me think that he was snatched, that somebody had taken him? Was that the fact that I couldn’t see him going into the bush. I couldn’t see him running down the slope to that, to the street. I, it was just..

MFC: nup, he wouldn’t do it, he wouldn’t do it

FFC: I actually, I don’t have the words to describe what it was like standing there looking out and thinking, why is he not here, I don’t understand this. But it’s the only……somebody was there.

So according to both, William wouldn’t go down to the road But they are sure he’s still been kidnapped (snatched, taken)? This goes with the MFC stating in the police run through that William “wasn’t a wanderer”.

So not only was someone waiting on purpose or just coming past by happenstance, but they believe because William wouldn’t have gone down to the road or the bush, so the kidnapper must have made their way up quite close to the house? That Seems quite far fetched imo.

The part I referenced is from Ep 3: One Last Roar, around 5:40

If they had harmed him themselves or accidentally and covered it up---why would they say he wouldn't have wandered away into the bush? It seems they would want people to think that might have happened. JMO

 

[katydid23]

Maybe that's what gave them the idea...

Gave them what idea?

 

[katydid23]

Clearly, from what we now know, none of what the police did was effective in that regard, so I am not convinced that they seriously wanted to eliminate him and I personally put that down to Jubelin's tunnel vision.

As I've said here befoire, I will be interested to see if the Coroner has anything to say about the amount of time and resources that police spent barking up wrong trees.

I think it might be unfair to criticise a task force for 'barking up the wrong trees.' They were actively investigating those who were connected to that home that day---BS had been in contact with FGM and was supposed to call or arrive to the home that same day. So he was an obvious POI thaT NEEDED to be investigated.

The same with the others they looked into. Some of them were convicted pedophiles. They needed to be investigated for as long as it took to clear them. JMO IMO

 

[katydid23]

If the poi is telling the truth there shouldn’t be any inconsistencies imo

I hope you are feeling better and continue to get stronger from now on.

As to post above, I'm not sure I agree. I have seen examples, where parents or spouses of missing people have said or remembered inconsistent details or timelines, which made people suspicious. And then they turned out to the innocent, just nervous, anxious and upset, so their memories were affected.

 

[KateM]

Gave them what idea?

The idea of an abduction.

 

[KateM]

I hope you are feeling better and continue to get stronger from now on.

As to post above, I'm not sure I agree. I have seen examples, where parents or spouses of missing people have said or remembered inconsistent details or timelines, which made people suspicious. And then they turned out to the innocent, just nervous, anxious and upset, so their memories were affected.

Yet the FFC is the only one to have supposedly seen these cars. None of the neighbours did and neither did the MFC.

 

[katydid23]

You'd better haver a read of this...

Australia - Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall, NSW, 12 Sep 2014 - #71

Bill Spedding's alibis have been proven. He has the receipt from the cafe and witnesses gave testimony at the inquest that they saw him at the school event. Yes, but as per the post I was responding to - the Coroner hasn't cleared him either have the Police. IMO

www.websleuths.com

I think Kiwi was correct about BS not being able to pinpoint any particular person who saw him. The press made a big deal about that at the time, IIRC. We talked about it here---how could he not know who he sat next to, etc.

Those people in the article you posted came later to LE to say they remember seeing him. But at the start when he was being interrogated, he did not remember those exact interactions himself.

And the coffee shop receipt proved nothing. His wife used her debit card and paid for the coffees. And the shopkeeper could not remember seeing BS that day for sure.

 

[katydid23]

Yet the FFC is the only one to have supposedly seen these cars. None of the neighbours did and neither did the MFC.

There was an interesting article by a memory expert who explained how that can happen when someone is under emotional stress of a missing child, etc. If you try very hard to remember something, anything, you can invent a rogue memory and believe it yourself.

It is posted way upstream somewhere--I will try and find it again.

 

[KateM]

I think Kiwi was correct about BS not being able to pinpoint any particular person who saw him. The press made a big deal about that at the time, IIRC. We talked about it here---how could he not know who he sat next to, etc.

Those people in the article you posted came later to LE to say they remember seeing him. But at the start when he was being interrogated, he did not remember those exact interactions himself.

And the coffee shop receipt proved nothing. His wife used her debit card and paid for the coffees. And the shopkeeper could not remember seeing BS that day for sure.

Did the shopkeeper remember seeing Margaret Spedding?

 

[sleepinoz]

Did the shopkeeper remember seeing Margaret Spedding?

Nope.

Cafe manager Lisa, who did not wish to give her last name, said she recognised Mr Spedding and his wife but said they hadn't come into the cafe 'in a while'.

Police end house search for William Tyrell

The tradesman whose family home was dramatically raided by police investigating the disappearance of toddler William Tyrell said the experience has been 'very difficult'.

www.dailymail.co.uk