Australia Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall, NSW, 12 Sep 2014 - #71

[Mauig’ma]

I don't know that I have ever heard of any of these publicly persecuted people cracking and confessing.

JonBenet Ramsey's family didn't. Maddie McCann's family didn't.

Perhaps there is a high profile example out there, but I can't think of one at the moment.

There are plenty of cases that aren’t high profile cases that the care giver has turned on the other or admitted guilt themselves. Imo it doesn’t matter if the case is high profile or not. The point is there are some cases where people crack under pressure. Imo moo

 

[drsleuth]

TJ = Tony Jones? Although harassed by the media outside the coroner's court, I didn't think he'd actually been accused by police of being involved.

PB?

BBM TJ's played up to the media, taunted them etc & made a mockery of the court. He is a vile human & made my skin crawl just being near him.

Stench of depravity but we’re not wiser

The inquest into the disappearance of William Tyrrell resumed this week, and much of the evidence has been grotesque.

amp.theaustralian.com.au

 

[JBowie]

Yes, with it seems around 500 posts per thread and 71 threads, trawling through an estimated 3,500 posts or more would be quite a chore.

D'oh. Let's make that 35,000 posts or more.

 

[K_i_w_i]

I couldn't either. I could list a top 5 maybe, and one of those would be that William got himself lost in a very obscure place.

Me too. Like Daniel O'Keeffe in an obscure spot between the house and the retaining wall. I have always had a feeling about the garage (underneath the house) with the large dirt retaining area and which was later concreted after his disappearance. It has been searched - including by a radar last year - but I still think maybe he's in there

 

[SLouTh]

TJ = Tony Jones? Although harassed by the media outside the coroner's court, I didn't think he'd actually been accused by police of being involved.

PB?

Police (SFR) did investigate TJ - his alibi was he was collecting scrap metal that day and it was reported that he returned home after lunch that day incredibly drunk....
Police also seized his ex wife's white Camry Wagon for forensic testing as TJ was known to drive that car.

Reference for above can be found in CO's book Missing William Tyrrell Pg. 118

 

[SLouTh]

I have "re-found" some information in CO's Book, Finding William Tyrrell, about the happenings on Benaroon Drive that morning.....

From the book:
Crabbs left Benaroon Drive at 8:30 and returned at 9:30
Paul Kidd left for work between 6 - 6:30am
Jamie Sharpley left for work at 6:30am
Lydene Hyslop went for a walk with Paul Kidd's wife Melissa at 6:30am
Richard Wilson left home at 7:15am
Lawrence Murray turned into Ellendale Crescent at 9:05am after returning from the bus stop.
Ann Marie Sharpley saw her 3 children to the bus stop at 8am
Cooper Crowle walked to the bus stop at 8:10am
Graham Crowle turned left from Ellendale Cres onto Benaroon Drive between 8:45 - 9:00am
Richard Donoghue drove to the Tennis Club at 8:30am
Judith Wilson left home at 9:00am driving east along Benaroon Drive
James Dalton drove west along Benaroon Drive at 9:00am after finishing his paper run
Paul Savage went for his morning walk at 6:30am and returned home at 8:50am

Taken from Pg. 140, Finding William Tyrrell, by Caroline Overington.

And as per Beacroft at the Inquest, none of these people saw the two parked cars. (or is someone on the street lying to protect someone, perhaps ????)

If we use Occam's Razor theory it has to be someone on the street, or had reason to be on the street, that morning at the right time......

 

[katydid23]

I don't know that I have ever heard of any of these publicly persecuted people cracking and confessing.

JonBenet Ramsey's family didn't. Maddie McCann's family didn't.

Perhaps there is a high profile example out there, but I can't think of one at the moment.

And apparently they now believe they know who kidnapped Madeline and it wasn't her parents. There is a thread here about the convicted pedophile, from Germany, who was living in Portugal when she went missing.

Christian Bruckner is his name.

Madeleine McCann: German prisoner identified as suspect #30

The list of 70 were people he shared material with. The real blackmail potential is in the ISPs & credit cards which the Russian/Moldovan servers have. “If I’m going down, you’re going down with me.”

www.websleuths.com

 

[SLouTh]

And as per Beacroft at the Inquest, none of these people saw the two parked cars. (or is someone on the street lying to protect someone, perhaps ????)

Apologies for quoting myself ..... I was just looking up some info in Jubes Book, I Catch Killers, and noticed that PS states that he saw those 2 cars parked there on Benaroon Drive two days before William went missing ....

From the Chapter "There's No Death That Is A Good Death" in I Catch Killers, by G Jubelin.


Interesting .....IMO...... That the 2 cars have been seen ..... and by someone else, bedsides FM .....

Someone living on that street, at the time, MAY, have had knowledge about them and have withheld it for some reason????

IMO and some speculation

 

[katydid23]

Me too. Like Daniel O'Keeffe in an obscure spot between the house and the retaining wall. I have always had a feeling about the garage (underneath the house) with the large dirt retaining area and which was later concreted after his disappearance. It has been searched - including by a radar last year - but I still think maybe he's in there

Wouldn't the many search dogs that were at the property in the first week or two have picked up on that?

Would anyone ever bury their dead child right there in their garage, and then call the police and the searchers to that same property? That is hard for me to imagine.

 

[JBowie]

Police (SFR) did investigate TJ - his alibi was he was collecting scrap metal that day and it was reported that he returned home after lunch that day incredibly drunk....
Police also seized his ex wife's white Camry Wagon for forensic testing as TJ was known to drive that car.

Reference for above can be found in CO's book Missing William Tyrrell Pg. 118

Sure, police have lifted a lot of rocks and dragged in the low lives that dwell there for interrogation, but the referenced Sky News reporter in that video stated: "A man wrongly accused in relation to William's disappearance sued [NSW Police] ..."

Note the verb accused.

Who was actually accused publicly in relation to WT's disappearance? Seems to me that it would need to be a wrongful public accusation in order to be grounds for a large payout.

William Tyrrell's foster mother hit with fresh charge

The foster mother of missing boy William Tyrrell has been accused of lying to the NSW's crime commission - less than a week after being charged with stalking and intimidation.

www.skynews.com.au

 

[SouthAussie]

Sure, police have lifted a lot of rocks and dragged in the low lives that dwell there for interrogation, but the referenced Sky News reporter in that video stated: "A man wrongly accused in relation to William's disappearance sued [NSW Police] ..."

Note the verb accused.

Who was actually accused publicly in relation to WT's disappearance? Seems to me that it would need to be a wrongful public accusation in order to be grounds for a large payout.

William Tyrrell's foster mother hit with fresh charge

The foster mother of missing boy William Tyrrell has been accused of lying to the NSW's crime commission - less than a week after being charged with stalking and intimidation.

www.skynews.com.au

Sky News generally go for sensationalism. I wouldn't get too hung up on their wording. imo

Perhaps they should have said "a man wrongly publicly portrayed as being involved in William's disappearance".

 

[SLouTh]

I was just studying this search map again........ and noted a couple of things.....

The only property searched by Detectives, at that time, was No 9 ..... The odd nocturnal man living next door to P and H Savage...... (although I am sure that FGM's house would have also been searched by Detectives.....)


And this.....
The recent Police searches for William down near the Riding School, that were supposedly not speculative..... are quite close to the property of the man described by GJ in his book as "a fat hairy gorilla of a man" and as having "what looks like a shrine to William hanging at the end of his bed"......
From the Chapter "There's No Death That Is A Good Death" in I Catch Killers, by G Jubelin.

If, William, was at some stage in the area that Police were recently searching,...... is it possible that this person witnessed something??? Or even found William's body, and buried him somewhere????? His property is surrounded by bush ...
This paragraph is ALL PURE SPECULATION and offered as food for thought....

 

[JBowie]

Sky News generally go for sensationalism. I wouldn't get too hung up on their wording. imo

Perhaps they should have said "a man wrongly publicly portrayed as being involved in William's disappearance".

Yes, I can accept maybe its hyperbole, but apart from BS and PS because of the degree of attention they received, I'm at a loss to know who would qualify for (reportedly) $500,000 payout ... maybe that figure is also Sky News hyperbole.

 

[LolaAngelina]

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I was just studying this search map again........ and noted a couple of things.....

The only property searched by Detectives, at that time, was No 9 ..... The odd nocturnal man living next door to P and H Savage...... (although I am sure that FGM's house would have also been searched by Detectives.....)


And this.....
The recent Police searches for William down near the Riding School, that were supposedly not speculative..... are quite close to the property of the man described by GJ in his book as "a fat hairy gorilla of a man" and as having "what looks like a shrine to William hanging at the end of his bed"......
From the Chapter "There's No Death That Is A Good Death" in I Catch Killers, by G Jubelin.

If, William, was at some stage in the area that Police were recently searching,...... is it possible that this person witnessed something??? Or even found William's body, and buried him somewhere????? His property is surrounded by bush ...
This paragraph is ALL PURE SPECULATION and offered as food for thought....

Good pickup. I wonder why that is? They must have been very interested in that property

 

[SouthAussie]

Police (SFR) did investigate TJ - his alibi was he was collecting scrap metal that day and it was reported that he returned home after lunch that day incredibly drunk....
Police also seized his ex wife's white Camry Wagon for forensic testing as TJ was known to drive that car.

Reference for above can be found in CO's book Missing William Tyrrell Pg. 118

Just jumping off your post.


We found out that FM saw two cars on 6th September 2015. (which included a white station wagon)

Interestingly, TJ's (wife's) car was seized on 16th September 2015. Ten days later. (the car being a white station wagon)


Yet it seems that the police had known about those two cars for a year. Which is why I think that the two cars may have been a later covert police strategy to gain a search warrant for TJ and PB's cars.

It was at the time they were looking at a local pedo ring, and TJ and PB were right in the heart of that investigation. Due to their absolutely unacceptable (and deceitful) GAPA affiliations, and their abuse of young children.

https://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/paedophiles-car-seized-in-tyrrell-case/news-story/ce083075e0461780cb6766dd48296c0a

https://www.news.com.au/entertainment/tv/william-tyrells-famil-speak-about-their-unbearable-grief-at-losing-their-little-boy/news-story/c0ba693e4df8317cd0dc089761d6192e

 

[SLouTh]

Yes, I can accept maybe its hyperbole, but apart from BS and PS because of the degree of attention they received, I'm at a loss to know who would qualify for (reportedly) $500,000 payout ... maybe that figure is also Sky News hyperbole.

It was reported in The Australian also

Unconfirmed reports also emerged on Sunday of NSW Police spending almost $1m – half in damages and half in legal costs – paying out an unidentified person of interest.

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/nation/neighbour-mulls-adding-to-william-tyrell-suspects-suing-police/news-story/f4b1e224d80d966ff9b8a0b847e20eda

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Australia - Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall, NSW, 12 Sep 2014 - #71

That video does NOT say Spedding received the payout. Perhaps listen again. My mistake. Who are they referring to? Bill Spedding's case must be ongoing.

www.websleuths.com

 

[JBowie]

We found out that FM saw two cars on 6th September 2015. (which included a white station wagon)

Interestingly, TJ's (wife's) car was seized on 16th September 2015. (the car being a white station wagon)

I am not surprised at the number of reported sightings of white vehicles. Just about every ordinary trade or delivery vehicle is white (e.g. the ubiquitous Toyota HiAce).

"In Australia, the makers of some of Australia's top-selling cars confirm white remains the top pick. Of the tens of thousands of Hyundai i30s sold in Australia each year, Hyundai says 48 per cent are white."

The car colour trends on the rise for 2020

These trends are challenging white as top car colour

www.drive.com.au

 

[SouthAussie]

I am not surprised at the number of reported sightings of white vehicles. Just about every ordinary trade or delivery vehicle is white (e.g. the ubiquitous Toyota HiAce).

"In Australia, the makers of some of Australia's top-selling cars confirm white remains the top pick. Of the tens of thousands of Hyundai i30s sold in Australia each year, Hyundai says 48 per cent are white."

The car colour trends on the rise for 2020

These trends are challenging white as top car colour

www.drive.com.au

The point I am trying to make is that the public announcement of the two cars was 10 days before TJ's (wife's) car was seized.

The police need just cause to get a magistrate to sign off on search warrants.

It is just too odd that it took a year for the public to hear about two suspicious cars on the street. "Help us identify the owners."

 

[SLouTh]

The point I am trying to make is that the public announcement of the two cars was 10 days before TJ's (wife's) car was seized.

The police need just cause to get a magistrate to sign off on search warrants.

It is just too odd that it took a year for the public to hear about two suspicious cars on the street. "Help us identify the owners."

Just jumping off your post ...

I cant remember???? Did Police ever track down RP's car (also a white station wagon) and forensically test it???? I can not recall this happening???


I don't really think it was the white colour just by itself, per say, but that combined with the "station wagon" shape that was important ....

But yes SA you make good point about the timing.....

 

[SouthAussie]

Good pickup. I wonder why that is? They must have been very interested in that property

Rightly so. imo

It is the perfect property on the street to observe the young children playing, without being seen by anybody.