Australia Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall, NSW, 12 Sep 2014 - #71

[deugirtni]

....And in the instance of the other nurses testimony, I agree with another member that she seems to have let her imagination take over, she might have had intuition but what was the court case that RP was being taken to that day? Again as we have seen with police tactics so far in this case, it would not surprise me if they were leaning on a man close to death to get some type of confession out of him to lock his friend up forever. ....

Just wanted to clarify that it wasn't RP that was to go to court, it was his sibling and his spouse - they were going to court in regard to RP's guardianship. RP was apparently muddled in his thinking in the days before his death, according to his relatives.

Renee Jenner said that in July last year Mr Porter - whose health was declining - had made a passing comment before being hushed by a family member who was standing at his bedside.

The incident occurred when Mr Porter was in his room with his brother, Tom, and sister-in-law Irma.

When told the family had to attend court, Ray asked whether it was concerning the "little boy".

Ms Jenner testified that at that point the lady who was standing beside Mr Porter had attempted to "rouse on him" as if he was a "small child".

"The lady then said, 'No no no, just leave it, I told you many times, just leave it'," Ms Jenner said on Wednesday.

The incident made her want to vomit and left a "sick feeling in my stomach".

Irma Porter testified she and her husband were set to go to court to be declared guardians over Mr Porter's affairs.

She claimed Mr Porter was just days from death and his mind was "muddled".

Coronavirus halts William Tyrrell inquest

 

[katydid23]

I have never heard that both FM and FGM were both together inside making tea ......???? Or is this new evidence???

William's foster mother made cups of tea

‘Somebody has taken him’: William Tyrrell’s foster mother shares grief over loss of three-year-old

Day two of the Coronial Inquest in the disappearance of William Tyrrell on NSW’s mid-north coast continues.

www.9news.com.au

Around 10am, William’s foster mother said she went inside and made tea for her and her mother,

https://www.news.com.au/national/nsw-act/william-tyrrells-foster-parents-say-they-have-nothing-to-hide/news-story/7f01c531c8566e1af6f1813af9b19a20

His foster mother, who was sitting watching them, went inside to make a cup of tea.

This is what we know about the William Tyrrell case

For seven years, the case of the missing boy dressed in a Spider Man costume has confounded the state's top detectives. This week, there is renewed hope of a resolution.

www.abc.net.au

After reading so many versions in various articles and interviews, I have kind of gleaned my own synthesis of what has been described.

It has been said that mum and nan were sitting outside and visiting with each other as the kids were playing. At some point, reportedly, 2 or 3 things happened, perhaps simultaneously. It has been said that the little girl went into the bathroom . And that mum went inside to make tea.

FGrandmother was said to have been outside watching William at first, but I think she may have stepped inside herself, once mum and the daughter went inside. That left William still playing and running around in the yard. [this is just my own interpretation of the things I have read]

My experience with my mother when she was late 70's/early 80's ===she was easily distracted around young children. She didn't supervise as well as she did when she was younger. So even if FGM was outside watching Will at first, I do think she could have gone inside as well if her daughter and granddaughter went inside a few minutes earlier. JMO

I think of my own experiences visiting my mother when my kids were toddlers, when I try to imagine the situation. A lot of things are happening at the same time. JMO

 

[deugirtni]

Craddock questioned FM under oath, at the Inquest, at great length about the tea ....and it was established that FM made the tea ...

Pg.18, Missing William Tyrrell, by Caroline Overington
JMO

Are you able to paste what it says FM said at the inquest in regard to that? TIA

 

[Mauig’ma]

https://www.thechronicle.com.au/lifestyle/parenting/stunning-new-revelations-about-the-day-william-tyrrell-disappeared/news-story/1a73063218a15527c703ad7d2136710e

September 12, 2014 was a Friday and it was after 10am that William was in his Spider-Man suit playing on the porch of the house on Benaroon Drive, Kendall as his foster mother and grandmother watched on.

Natalie said she was told that the grandmother went inside for a cup of tea, “and then he was gone”.

Police say William began a game, running around the back of the house underneath the balcony to hide.

By 10.30am William’s foster mother realised William was missing; neighbours helped in a search for him.

At 11am, the foster mother called the police. The start of many searches for little William, who would become a nationwide story, began.
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Maybe, NC was told a wrong fact, IMO.

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Google:​

Missing William Tyrrell: How can a little boy vanish? - Acast​

https://play.acast.com › investigates


As his mum and grandma went inside for a cup of tea, William let out one final roar, ran around the side of the house, then nothing.

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Bizarre underground clue that could lead cops to 'Australia's ...​

https://www.thesun.co.uk › news

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One may have it all, all versions, which are possible: grandma, mother/foster mother, grandma and mother, even "parents". So, we won't know the truth.

If that’s true how did the ffc and fgm know he ran around the side of the house with being inside? And how in the world could they hear his last roar from inside the house too?

 

[SouthAussie]

If that’s true how did the ffc and fgm know he ran around the side of the house with being inside? And how in the world could they hear his last roar from inside the house too?

Hear him: probably through the open slider door. If they had just popped into the house for a few minutes.

See him: the kitchen window looks onto the back patio. It is the window to the left of the sliders (when facing the back of the house), above where FGM was sitting in the patio pictures that were released.

imo

 

[Mauig’ma]

Hear him: probably through the open slider door. If they had just popped into the house for a few minutes.

See him: the kitchen window looks onto the back patio. It is the window to the left of the sliders (when facing the back of the house), above where FGM was sitting in the patio pictures that were released.

imo

We all have our own opinions. With all the conflicting info, I’m not convinced of your theory. Luckily we can agree to disagree on anything and everything as we see fit. I happen to disagree with this theory. Please don’t take it personally. We don’t know if one or both ffc were inside or outside when William disappeared. Only the 3 people who were there know the answer to that. And one was a child. And only the ffc and fgm actually know the truth. Hopefully all of the truths will come to light soon. I feel we’re getting closer. Imo. Until then all we can do is speculate. Imo moo. I do love reading everyone’s theories though. It makes a person think and consider other theories. I continue to have an open mind. So thank you SA and everyone else for all of your great posts. Any activity on William’s thread is progress imo

 

[JLZ]

We all have our own opinions. With all the conflicting info, I’m not convinced of your theory. Luckily we can agree to disagree on anything and everything as we see fit. I happen to disagree with this theory. Please don’t take it personally. We don’t know if one or both ffc were inside or outside when William disappeared. Only the 3 people who were there know the answer to that. And one was a child. And only the ffc and fgm actually know the truth. Hopefully all of the truths will come to light soon. I feel we’re getting closer. Imo. Until then all we can do is speculate. Imo moo. I do love reading everyone’s theories though. It makes a person think and consider other theories. I continue to have an open mind. So thank you SA and everyone else for all of your great posts. Any activity on William’s thread is progress imo

I'm not sure that I even believe in the last roar moment as the last time they saw him. I think he was running about mostly withing sight and hearing, roaring at times. Somewhere there at least one of them went inside, they were probably still talking, so doubly distracted, and came outside again--but I'm not satisfied that William wasn't gone before they made tea, I don't know if it was during tea or while they sat drinking and talking afterwards. I think FFC has a lot of trouble distinguishing between actual memories and imaginative reconstructions. I don't mean this as relating to mental illness at all.

 

[Awakening]

In terms of the "lying" charges I'm expecting it to be something that can be proven through mobile phone data or surveillance.

Either mobile phone data showing FM or FF were not where they claimed to be at x time or surveillance has picked up a conversation where one or both admits to lying about something "I had to make up that story about seeing 2 cars or they'd start looking at us"

This is pure speculation on my part.

It's possible FP's are innocent. It's also possible they are innocent of killing WT but guilty of neglect.

 

[Mauig’ma]

CO speaks of the towers in this article. Dated 9/10/20. From Laidlaw's testimony at the inquest, on the final day of the inquest.

(paraphrased)
She says that the tower dumps captured all the Telstra, Optus and Vodafone data from that morning. But still no clues emerged.
There were people who were in town because they lived near the town or in the town.
But that doesn't prove they took William.

We can’t leave this to a 10-year-old to solve

William Tyrrell is to most Australians the little boy in the Spider-Man suit. But he was also, at the time of his perplexing disappearance, somebodys little brother.

amp.theaustralian.com.au

I wonder who was in town?

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Imo this is more proof for me. The data dump should have showed someone who didn’t belong in or near Kendal that day. Moo

 

[Awakening]

After reading so many versions in various articles and interviews, I have kind of gleaned my own synthesis of what has been described.

It has been said that mum and nan were sitting outside and visiting with each other as the kids were playing. At some point, reportedly, 2 or 3 things happened, perhaps simultaneously. It has been said that the little girl went into the bathroom . And that mum went inside to make tea.

FGrandmother was said to have been outside watching William at first, but I think she may have stepped inside herself, once mum and the daughter went inside. That left William still playing and running around in the yard. [this is just my own interpretation of the things I have read]

My experience with my mother when she was late 70's/early 80's ===she was easily distracted around young children. She didn't supervise as well as she did when she was younger. So even if FGM was outside watching Will at first, I do think she could have gone inside as well if her daughter and granddaughter went inside a few minutes earlier. JMO

I think of my own experiences visiting my mother when my kids were toddlers, when I try to imagine the situation. A lot of things are happening at the same time. JMO

I think this is a very reasonable scenario and similar to my own personal experiences of those who are older/retired/not used to small children can be distracted, lose track of time, slower to react, forget how quick small kids can be.

I can see a scenario where FM stands up and says right I'm going inside to make a cup of tea and LT says I need the toilet.

So both go inside.

FGM is reading her paper, not watching WT but hears that one last roar.

Meanwhile LT might be faffing about, FM decides she will go to the toilet too.

FM puts the kettle on.

It's now been 5 minutes since WT's been seen.

FGM comes in to see where her tea is and to help.

FM tells FGM it's okay she will bring the tea out.

They might have a brief chat about the kids, when FF will be home, the washing machine.

Mum where's William. It's now been 10 minutes. Oh he's roaring like a tiger. Lindsay go back out with FGM and I will be out in just a minute.

FM fusses with the tea, maybe gets out some biscuits, enjoys a couple of minutes of quiet, comes outside. It's now been 15 minutes.

LT drawing, FM & FGM start drinking their tea, having a chat.

After 5 minutes of this FM realises she can't see or hear WT. FGM thinks he was just here "5 minutes ago" when it's been 20 minutes.

This is when FM gets up and starts looking for him.

Pure speculation of course but I can see how it could happen.

 

[JLZ]

A police informant will be called as a witness during a two-day court hearing for William Tyrrell's foster mother, who denies giving misleading or false information to the NSW Crime Commission.

The charges relate to evidence the 56-year-old gave during a hearing into William's disappearance from his foster grandmother's home.

Police informant to give evidence in trial of William Tyrrell's foster mother

A police informant will be called as a witness during a two-day court hearing for William Tyrrell's foster mother, who denies giving misleading or false information to the NSW Crime Commission.

www.abc.net.au

BBM. It's good to have that confirmed. The hearing would have to be the inquest.

There doesn't seem to be a date mentioned for FFC's trial.

 

[Awakening]

A police informant will be called as a witness during a two-day court hearing for William Tyrrell's foster mother, who denies giving misleading or false information to the NSW Crime Commission.

The charges relate to evidence the 56-year-old gave during a hearing into William's disappearance from his foster grandmother's home.

Police informant to give evidence in trial of William Tyrrell's foster mother

A police informant will be called as a witness during a two-day court hearing for William Tyrrell's foster mother, who denies giving misleading or false information to the NSW Crime Commission.

www.abc.net.au

BBM. It's good to have that confirmed. The hearing would have to be the inquest.

There doesn't seem to be a date mentioned for FFC's trial.

I wonder who the police informant is? Maybe someone who attended the inquest and heard FM say something they knew to be untrue?

Could be one of the original police officers who noted something at the time but heard it differently at the inquest?

Or a neighbour who knew what FM was saying was untrue?

JMO, I have no idea.

 

[JLZ]

I wonder who the police informant is? Maybe someone who attended the inquest and heard FM say something they knew to be untrue?

Could be one of the original police officers who noted something at the time but heard it differently at the inquest?

Or a neighbour who knew what FM was saying was untrue?

JMO, I have no idea.

I don't know. It might be necessary to have a police officer give evidence just to verify that the documentary evidence is what it purports to be.

 

[k-mac]

Didn't the inquest stop abruptly and the questioned time stamped pictures where what was being discussed? The spiderman suit pics on the deck.

Speculating ....Have those pictures been discredited?

That would tie it all up together why it stopped suddenly and why she is being charged with lying to the inquest.
Him too.

ALTHOUGH ONE WOULD THINK THAT WOULD BE TAMPERING WITH EVIDENCE CHARGES....
just thinking out loud.

MSN

William Tyrrell's foster mother, who denies giving misleading or false information to the NSW Crime Commission.

The charges relate to evidence the 56-year-old gave during a hearing into William's disappearance from his foster grandmother's home.


hmmmm....moo

 

[Mauig’ma]

I wonder who the police informant is? Maybe someone who attended the inquest and heard FM say something they knew to be untrue?

Could be one of the original police officers who noted something at the time but heard it differently at the inquest?

Or a neighbour who knew what FM was saying was untrue?

JMO, I have no idea.

I don’t care who it is. Imo the truth is about to come out and the ffc true colors are about to shine. And not in a good way. Moo

 

[SLouTh]

Are you able to paste what it says FM said at the inquest in regard to that? TIA

No I am unable to copy and paste from the book hence why I gave a reference .

 

[Awakening]

I don’t care who it is. Imo the truth is about to come out and the ffc true colors are about to shine. And not in a good way. Moo

I'm being nosey! I'm trying to figure out who it might be as that might tell us the nature of the lying charges.

If it's a he said/she said type thing it's a bit weak imo. Because you could argue the other person (assuming not a police officer) was mistaken or that you were mistaken because you were under such stress.

If it's something like a police informant verifying that the mobile phone data or covert surveillance is accurate, then that's much more serious and much harder to explain away imo.

But yes I'm very impatient.

 

[Mauig’ma]

Didn't the inquest stop abruptly and the questioned time stamped pictures where what was being discussed? The spiderman suit pics on the deck.

Speculating ....Have those pictures been discredited?

That would tie it all up together why it stopped suddenly and why she is being charged with lying to the inquest.
Him too.

ALTHOUGH ONE WOULD THINK THAT WOULD BE TAMPERING WITH EVIDENCE CHARGES....
just thinking out loud.

moo

You nailed it right on the head. I too thought the very same thing. Pretty ironic how the time stamped pics were being discussed at the inquest and all of a sudden the judge halts everything. Coincidence I don’t think so. Moo

 

[Mauig’ma]

I'm being nosey! I'm trying to figure out who it might be as that might tell us the nature of the lying charges.

If it's a he said/she said type thing it's a bit weak imo. Because you could argue the other person (assuming not a police officer) was mistaken or that you were mistaken because you were under such stress.

If it's something like a police informant verifying that the mobile phone data or covert surveillance is accurate, then that's much more serious and much harder to explain away imo.

But yes I'm very impatient.

I am too in all honesty. But I’m not sure we’ll find out. Will we? It’d be nice if we could. Yes, I too am impatient. Lol

 

[SouthAussie]

BBM. It's good to have that confirmed. The hearing would have to be the inquest.

Wouldn't the hearing be a Crime Commission hearing? Seeing that she is charged with misleading the Crime Commission?

imo